USA 2020 Election - Page 34

superyob · 25-11-2020, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Hey Mick, do you think China is stronger and more influential today or before Trump took over?

In what respect???

T3rminator · 25-11-2020, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

In what respect???

I dunno...in all respect. Seems like they have had a pretty good run in the last 4 years. Almost like a growth spurt in terms of influence and political strength.

superyob · 25-11-2020, 01:01 PM

Would Scomo have openly backed an inquiry into covid origins if Trump was an easy roll over? I think Australia at least has been emboldened to stand up to China by Trump, even if it is just a smallish protest. Is the Victorian belt road still a thing or has that gone???

T3rminator · 25-11-2020, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

Would Scomo have openly backed an inquiry into covid origins if Trump was an easy roll over? I think Australia at least has been emboldened to stand up to China by Trump, even if it is just a smallish protest. Is the Victorian belt road still a thing or has that gone???

Not great examples to be honest. Don't worry about BRI. There is now a bigger element called RCEP to worry about. RCEP designed by China to counter TPP which Trump withdrew from. So again....do you think "the commies" are stronger or weaker than when Trump started?

Edit: One could almost argue Scomo and his troops did what they did because they feared Trump, not the other mob. We all know how wonderfully well Trump and Turnbull's phone calls use to go...unless those were lies as well?

chevypower · 25-11-2020, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

Would Scomo have openly backed an inquiry into covid origins if Trump was an easy roll over? I think Australia at least has been emboldened to stand up to China by Trump, even if it is just a smallish protest. Is the Victorian belt road still a thing or has that gone???

Even the Democrats are sounding different about China than they were 4 years ago. They seem to flip on foreign policy very quickly though. In 2012, Obama lectured Romney about how Russia is not a threat. Obama told Medvedev he would have more flexibility to work with Putin after the election, and they were all for pulling troops out of the Middle East. That quickly turned to Russia is the enemy and Trump is bad for pulling the troops out. Not so long ago, Biden touted that China would prefer him to Trump. Well even if they are just playing politics, I think everyone needs to stand up to China.

Trevor 57 · 25-11-2020, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Not great examples to be honest. Don't worry about BRI. There is now a bigger element called RCEP to worry about. RCEP designed by China to counter TPP which Trump withdrew from. So again....do you think "the commies" are stronger or weaker than when Trump started?

I can't see yobbo's post but you quoted him so I get to see it

re: his comment about Victorian roads, a questions for him . . . . . Is that deal that ScoMo struck with the Chinese for Darwin Port still going ahead? . . . . . . What's the pay-back deadline to the Chinese banks for when ScoMo has to pay back the JobKeeper money?

PhilT2 · 25-11-2020, 03:22 PM

One of the things Trump has claimed ts that he fixed the trade deficit with China. This is not correct as the trade deficit is currently at a 14 year high.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...66d2395deee68d

Tickford. · 25-11-2020, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilT2

One of the things Trump has claimed ts that he fixed the trade deficit with China. This is not correct as the trade deficit is currently at a 14 year high.

Just one of the many bullsh*t claims made by Donald Dump. But his blind faithful disciples will swallow anything that he squirts at them.

Trevor 57 · 25-11-2020, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tickford.

Just one of the many bullsh*t claims made by Donald Dump. But his blind faithful disciples will swallow anything that he squirts at them.

it really is weird isn't it, almost has this Charles Manson feel about it

PhilT2 · 25-11-2020, 06:27 PM

Two lawyers, both Trump supporters, discussing how badly his legal team are handling the legal cases. Apparently many of the affidavits were proven to be false, no real evidence has been produced and now they are running out of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHVg32sSUHg

burnz · 25-11-2020, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I can't see yobbo's post but you quoted him so I get to see it

re: his comment about Victorian roads, a questions for him . . . . . Is that deal that ScoMo struck with the Chinese for Darwin Port still going ahead? . . . . . . What's the pay-back deadline to the Chinese banks for when ScoMo has to pay back the JobKeeper money?

isn't that a state deal? like belt and roads with daniel andrews

**Fordman1** · 25-11-2020, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

it really is weird isn't it, almost has this Charles Manson feel about it

Jim Jones.

**buggerlugs** · 25-11-2020, 06:52 PM

She's nearly all over red rover....................
Sending out a couple of big RUOK to our resident Orange Donny lovers on here........

Trevor 57 · 25-11-2020, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

isn't that a state deal? like belt and roads with daniel andrews

negative park ranger, ports are a federal issue

T3rminator · 25-11-2020, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

isn't that a state deal? like belt and roads with daniel andrews

The VIC BRI MOU is posted on the gov website for all to read. Its not a secret. I can't see any "deals" in there apart from an understanding to work together to explore opportunities.

So to keep it on topic somewhat, here, Donald explains it very well...I actually agree with him on this front. But hey, I'm not a commercial lawyer, maybe someone who is can confirm.

**GasoLane** · 25-11-2020, 08:50 PM

Comical Meme's and youtube vids seem to be popular here so ......

Citroënbender · 25-11-2020, 08:57 PM

What time is @PG2 locking the thread tonight, anyway? Have we got time for another volley?

T3rminator · 25-11-2020, 09:58 PM

Who thinks this is nearly over? I wouldn't bet on it....

Almost no Trump voters consider Biden the legitimate 2020 election winner
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/2020...he-winner.html

"A mere 3% of voters for President Donald Trump think President-elect Joe Biden won the 2020 election, while 73% think the incumbent was the victor, according to a CNBC/Change Research poll."

"A mere 3% of Trump voters believe he should concede to Biden and start the peaceful transfer of power. Another 31% want the president to fight in court until states certify results. Two-thirds, or 66%, think Trump should never concede."

Itsme · 25-11-2020, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

negative park ranger, ports are a federal issue

C'mon Trevor tell the truth as it is a state issue but the Feds stuffed up in scrutinising the deal of the lease.
The Labour NT government leased the port to China.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-...-risk/10755720

T3rminator · 25-11-2020, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Officemanager

C'mon Trevor tell the truth as it is a state issue but the Feds stuffed up in scrutinising the deal of the lease.

The Labour NT government leased the port to China.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-...-risk/10755720

Correct the states and territories have control over the leases of ports. But it was done in 2015 by the then Country Liberal party. I'm not sure I believe the Fed LNP didn't know at the time, but each to their own.

snap0964 · 25-11-2020, 10:55 PM

Yep, getting tense again - a few chill outs:

**Polyal** · 26-11-2020, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

She's nearly all over red rover....................
Sending out a couple of big RUOK to our resident Orange Donny lovers on here........

And not once, not even a reply on the donation to AFF for putting up with the tirade of links, fake news and proper lunatic nonsense from them.

If they believed it was a done deal and Trump was in then why did not a single one put any coin down?

Its all talk, shouting, attacks, claims with no substance which perfectly sums up the situation.

Thanks AFF for letting this run, I am happy to donate $50 today to the forums. Not because I can, or because I have a burning desire too, but because actions speak louder than words and video links.

superyob · 26-11-2020, 06:52 AM

Because we are not obliged to respond to your demands. It is pure hypocrisy to paint yourself as some sort of virtuous entity because someone else has a different opinion you don't like...

Trump for the win!!!

tweeked · 26-11-2020, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

negative park ranger, ports are a federal issue

Wrong

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...rwin-port-sale

and both sides of politics have done it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...ortium/7857328

**buggerlugs** · 26-11-2020, 09:06 AM

The fun has gone out of this thread now that orange donny is cactus. Poor old Coupeking can barely find a youtube clip to post up any more.......

Trevor 57 · 26-11-2020, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tweeked

Wrong

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...rwin-port-sale

and both sides of politics have done it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...ortium/7857328

I go to the source not some flakey MSM outlets

https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/tr...ght/ports.aspx

Read the 3rd paragraph my friend, States have responsibility for the land side of the ports

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State or territory governments have historically owned port authorities; however there is a trend toward privatising these assets on a long-term lease basis.

with final oversight by the Feds, no approval without the Feds say so

Feel free to publicly apologise

Citroënbender · 26-11-2020, 09:18 AM

OK Burgerlegs (it can’t be a proper thread without some name-calling)… If Wayne can’t rise to the occasion with a vid, I’ll have a go.

superyob · 26-11-2020, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

The fun has gone out of this thread now that orange donny is cactus. Poor old Coupeking can barely find a youtube clip to post up any more.......

You are being lulled (lol-led)?

into a false sense of security. 'Orange Donny' is about to release the Kraken...

LG17 · 26-11-2020, 09:56 AM

Here we go, the pardons are coming for his 'mates.'

T3rminator · 26-11-2020, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LG17

Here we go, the pardons are coming for his 'mates.'

Not unexpected. Almost like a tradition.......

December 20, 2016
Obama granted 78 commutations on this day.

January 17, 2017
On this day, Obama pardoned 64 individuals and commuted the sentence of 209 individuals (109 of whom faced life sentences). These included Chelsea Manning and Oscar López Rivera, enabling them to be released from prison on May 17, 2017.

January 19, 2017
Obama commuted the prison sentences of 330 federal inmates, particularly drug offenders, on Thursday, January 19, 2017, his last full day in office. Obama did so, as one of his final acts in office, in order to reduce what he viewed as overly harsh punishments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ary_17,_2017_2

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I go to the source not some flakey MSM outlets

https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/tr...ght/ports.aspx

Read the 3rd paragraph my friend, States have responsibility for the land side of the ports

with final oversight by the Feds, no approval without the Feds say so

Feel free to publicly apologise

Remind me never to cross you.