USA 2020 Election

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I go to the source not some flakey MSM outlets

https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/tr...ght/ports.aspx

Read the 3rd paragraph my friend, States have responsibility for the land side of the ports

with final oversight by the Feds, no approval without the Feds say so

Feel free to publicly apologise

Again, you are plain wrong.

You said "Scomo" did the deal on the Darwin port. Did Scomo sell the lease in Vic too? Or is that different as that sale was done by a Labor state government?

Clearly sold by the CLP in the NT.

You just mislead people then cling on to it. The third paragraph in your link....

"Commonwealth responsibilities relating to ports include: environmental assessment of port developments where matters of national environmental significance are concerned, safety and security matters, customs, and implementing Australia's international maritime obligations as they relate to ports."

Environment, customs and following international maritime law Have nothing to do with anything in selling a lease on the port's premises and processes.

The money goes to the state government, they brokered the deal, any sensible person can see that it was their decision - end of story. Foreign Investment review and so forth happens on many different assets of national significance. I am now going to opt out of any of your bait, I have been stupid trying to correct the record when I now see it is just a game to you, at best.

[Charliewool]

“ No Federal body has oversight of Australian ports which are the domain of state and territory governments.”
Simply google “who sold Port of Darwin”!
I remember Obama going ballistic over it...

[marty351]

I love how these threads evolve; we've gone from elections, to pointing fingers at those who don't suffer from TDS to ports. What's the next installment?

[Citroënbender]

Cheese and crackers.

[superyob]

My cheese and crackers are better than yours...

By the way CB, where's your 10 year achievement badge??? I believe that having one of these gives me unassailable cheese and cracker superiority...

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by marty351

I love how these threads evolve; we've gone from elections, to pointing fingers at those who don't suffer from TDS to ports. What's the next installment?

finger pointing

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by superyob

By the way CB, where's your 10 year achievement badge??? I believe that having one of these gives me unassailable cheese and cracker superiority...

A few of us would agree to the 'crackers' part anyway

[marty351]

Hello, I'm Trevor... :da nce:wa zzup

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Суперйоб

By the way CB, where's your 10 year achievement badge???

I’ve not been a member consistently for ten years. Have dipped in and dropped out again as suits.

[Sonny_Jim]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Two lawyers, both Trump supporters, discussing how badly his legal team are handling the legal cases. Apparently many of the affidavits were proven to be false, no real evidence has been produced and now they are running out of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHVg32sSUHg

To be fair to the Trump legal team, they are only there for the money and the evidence they are working with is absolute dogsh*t. It's not surprising they are putting out a poor performance.

Bear in mind that they can get sanctioned if they bring a frivolous case to court, so this explains the constant shuffling around of lawyers. It's an absolute clusterf*ck that only the most foolhardy lawyer would take on. Of course, the Trump side spin this as 'They are being sent death threats! Some of them need 24 hour security teams to keep them safe!'.

Also another thing to point out is that there isn't going to be any 'surprise evidence'. Real courts don't work like that, it's only in TV they do that to make things seem more exciting. In reality, both sides go through discovery where they both examine each others evidence before they start. You can't just go 'Aha! What about *this*?' and produce a new piece of evidence 2 weeks into a trial.

There's a short-ish video explaining the process here

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by marty351

this one looks just like me

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Sonny_Jim

To be fair to the lawyers handling the cases, they are only there for the money and the evidence they are working with is absolute dogsh*t. It's not surprising they are putting out a poor performance.

Bear in mind that they can get sanctioned if they bring a frivolous case to court, so this explains the constant shuffling around of lawyers. It's an absolute clusterf*ck that only the most foolhardy lawyer would take on. Of course, the Trump side spin this as 'They are being sent death threats! Some of them need 24 hour security teams to keep them safe!'.

Also another thing to point out is that there isn't going to be any 'surprise evidence'. Real courts don't work like that, it's only in TV they do that to make things seem more exciting. In reality, both sides go through discovery where they both examine each others evidence before they start. You can't just go 'Aha! What about *this*?' and produce a new piece of evidence 2 weeks into a trial.

There's a short-ish video explaining the process here

thanks for the great explanation

I think for a while a few on here thought the American election process worked like ours

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by superyob

Because we are not obliged to respond to your demands. It is pure hypocrisy to paint yourself as some sort of virtuous entity because someone else has a different opinion you don't like...

Trump for the win!!!

I take it any excess cash has been funneled to Trumps go fund me page?

Such dramatic words, there was no demanding, Trumpsters are the grandstand type, I simply suggested putting you money where your mouth is based on the confidence level people were promoting.

Virtuous entity? We were talking facts not morals, these concepts are difficult for Trumpsters to understand so its OK, no need to continue you lads proved the point of the typical Trump follower.

I dont know whether to be honoured or offended, seems I am a Virtuous Bogan, 2020 has been an odd year for sure.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Poor old Coupeking can barely find a youtube clip to post up any more.......

There's plenty, but I couldn't find my computer through all the cigar smoke.

[marty351]

Facts, not morals.

You've said it yourself.

Morals give guidance to a person, facts give value.
I'd much give both to my children, but morals are more important. Just look at the far left. Immoralistic sycophants.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

negative park ranger, ports are a federal issue

sorry yogi, state without permission from the fed's.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-...-risk/10755720

NT Government defends deal
Jodie Ryan, who sat on the selection panel that chose Landbridge and was later promoted to the role of head public servant after the Gunner Labor Government's 2016 election victory, said the long-term risks of leasing the port to a Chinese-owned company were "considered as part of the assessment" and that "substantial due diligence was undertaken and involved independent financial and legal advisers".

[wodahs]

i donno if its veered left
or right
but this thread seems of track now

[CoupeKing]

Kraken 1:
https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-...11.25.2020.pdf

Kraken 2:
https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-...-Complaint.pdf

[Sonny_Jim]

From the first PDF you linked to:

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICCT COURT, NORTHERN
DISTRCOICT OF GEORGIA, ATLANTA DIVISION

Is this real? Because they've managed to make several spelling mistakes in the title alone. It's quite the laundry list, but unfortunately they are going to require more than just affidavits.

EDIT: Under relief (the section of the document where you outline what actions you want to happen) they have this:

An order requiring Governor Kemp to transmit certified election
results that state that President Donald Trump is the winner of the
election

Lol

[superyob]

Stephen Dickensheets...

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Sonny_Jim

From the first PDF you linked to:

Is this real? Because they've managed to make several spelling mistakes in the title alone.

They want it in the Supreme Court.

[Citroënbender]

They want it in the Supreme Court.

I think they’ll get it somewhere else!

[PhilT2]

I'm not a lawyer but there are some basics in law that seem obvious to me. I reckon that when someone breaks a law they should wear the consequences not another. So if a vote supervisor does the wrong thing like not allowing proper supervision of the count then that supervisor is punished, not the voters by having their ballot disallowed. It just seems to me that some are hoping to have ballots disqualified because of wrong conduct by bureaucrats which for me seems to be punishing the voter not the offender. Not my understanding of how courts work, not even US ones.

Another perception I have is that US courts deal with US matters. I may be able to prove a great deal of corruption occurred in Venezuela but I would be surprised if an American judge would even listen to all my evidence because it may have no connection to anything in the US which is the link that is missing.

[buggerlugs]

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Sonny_Jim

Is this real? Because they've managed to make several spelling mistakes in the title alone.

Something I've noticed, it's seems like a common theme among most of the Trumpies. Can't spell, bad grammar, etc. Even basic grammar like when and where to use capitols, full stops or commas is beyond them. Plenty of evidence in this thread alone.

Not saying I'm an English language scholar. Far from it. But boy, most (not all) of these Trumpies must be dyslexic. That, or they're simply just dumbars*s.

There must be something to it. Possibly something to do with possessing a "high IQ". Just like their beloved leader.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Can't spell....

capitols

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[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

it's seems like

IT seems like...

Originally Posted by Tickford.

commas is beyond them.

You only need one space between words.

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Even basic grammar (insert comma) like when...

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Can't spell, bad grammar, etc.

Does that look like a well-constructed sentence to you?

Can you spell “irony?”

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Something I've noticed, it's seems like a common theme among most of the Trumpies. Can't spell, bad grammar, etc. Even basic grammar like when and where to use capitols, full stops or commas is beyond them. Plenty of evidence in this thread alone.

Not saying I'm an English language scholar. Far from it. But boy, most (not all) of these Trumpies must be dyslexic. That, or they're simply just dumbars*s.

There must be something to it. Possibly something to do with possessing a "high IQ". Just like their beloved leader.

the leftys don't work, dole bludger hoping for communism..
they wan't a medal for coming last!!

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by marty351

Facts, not morals.

You've said it yourself.

Morals give guidance to a person, facts give value.
I'd much give both to my children, but morals are more important.

It depends on the context, since I believe we are discussing litigation then facts are king, your moral stance means little.

As a general life comment then sure, naturally both or important but that's not what this thread is about.

Originally Posted by marty351

Just look at the far left. Immoralistic sycophants.

This is where I struggle, whenever you lads start making comments like this in the context of a Trump thread I wonder;

a) where you have pulled it from
b) what the heck you are talking about
c) what it has to do with the thread
d) how is that a decent source of information (if supplied)
e) why do you care so much about Trump

Then the retort will be "read between the lines" or "you must be blind to not see that". Some appointments at Spec Savers may go some way, but I dont think they do lobotomies.

There are so many injustices in the world and for this to get so much attention is frightening.

Any person who does not have a balanced view, regardless of the side they lean (who even defines that, seriously) can be dangerous. Hence why working with facts and not morals (situation dependent) typically removes the ambiguity.

Sometimes facts are not also facts, but when multiple sources who are generally independent of each other report the same trend it becomes very hard to deny unless you want to be an Ostrich.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

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He's using US spelling