FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread

[bionic2006xr6t]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

It's only been in the Falcon since 2008. Maybe you should wack your head a bit longer... x 10e6

Maybe I should my misses always said I wasn't very observant. Never seen the view from the back seat eather maybe I should try it some day!

Cheers Ryan

[CSV_LS1]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

Given the 'XR8' program was brought forward to the GT-F, during this period of theorising, I reckon this stands a pretty good chance of being true, mainly because I wouldn't have thought the 335 map from the previous FG PCM would have been directly transferrable, and also that they wouldn't have had the moolah to make a custom 335 tune in the new hardware, when they put all their effort into the GT-F mapping.

I'll pitch my personal 'reckon it might be true' quotient at 76%.


Lukeyson

Ford have direct access to the pcm. They're not going to find it too difficult to transfer the tune settings.

[Bluehoon]

Can anyone shed any light on the sync 2 and stereo quality of the FG-X?

Is the stereo a good system, or will it suffer the fate of the "hiss" that the FG did...???

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by CSV_LS1

Ford have direct access to the pcm. They're not going to find it too difficult to transfer the tune settings.

Perhaps Ford, to minimize costs, just used the GTF tune and rolled it over, but has put in the dash rev dial a redline of 6000 to differentiate it from the GT R spec and GTF and the keep those models exclusive.

So for us slumming XR8 owners, we only have 6000 limit. Would have been nice to rev it to 6250 on fast runs......

I do wonder what in practice the motor will rev to before the limiter cuts in.

I am hoping the engine may hopefully rev past the 6000 despite what the revcounter shows.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by asagaai

Perhaps Ford, to minimize costs, just used the GTF tune and rolled it over, but has put in the dash rev dial a redline of 6000 to differentiate it from the GT R spec and GTF and the keep those models exclusive.

So for us slumming XR8 owners, we only have 6000 limit. Would have been nice to rev it to 6250 on fast runs......

I do wonder what in practice the motor will rev to before the limiter cuts in.

I am hoping the engine may hopefully rev past the 6000 despite what the revcounter shows.

I would say it has more to do with standardising the same dial package across the range to save complexity on the line.

[richo77]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

Given the 'XR8' program was brought forward to the GT-F, during this period of theorising, I reckon this stands a pretty good chance of being true, mainly because I wouldn't have thought the 335 map from the previous FG PCM would have been directly transferrable, and also that they wouldn't have had the moolah to make a custom 335 tune in the new hardware, when they put all their effort into the GT-F mapping.

I'll pitch my personal 'reckon it might be true' quotient at 76%.


Lukeyson

I cant wait for the first comparo between the XR8 and GTF.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by richo77

I cant wait for the first comparo between the XR8 and GTF.

Comparo XR8 and SSV will be interesting!!

[rancidpunx]

Essentially the difference in tune between 335 and 351 relates to the throttle bodies settings. 335 only opens to 60% at WOT and having watched a GTF on the dyno the throttles now opens to 80%. A new PCM allows better tweaking of torque settings as well. The XR8 will just have the 335 tune loaded in with the updated PCM settings and run up to around 15rwkw less. Nothing a quick tune cant change and will be interesting to see if the performance shops can refine the tunes further with the updates.

[SensationFG8]

Originally Posted by richo77

I cant wait for the first comparo between the XR8 and GTF.

No press cars left for the GT and there really is no comparison imo.

[Mainforcepatrol]

Originally Posted by Bluehoon

Can anyone shed any light on the sync 2 and stereo quality of the FG-X?

Is the stereo a good system, or will it suffer the fate of the "hiss" that the FG did...???

Apologies a bit off topic but was there ever a fix for the hiss in the FG radio.

[richo77]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

No press cars left for the GT and there really is no comparison imo.

Well I'll rephrase my statement for our benefit - I cant wait to see the numbers comparing the XR8 and GTF.

[Bluehoon]

Originally Posted by Mainforcepatrol

Apologies a bit off topic but was there ever a fix for the hiss in the FG radio.

The fixes attempted were akin to window dressing...
I'm hoping the whole Sync2 hardware is a better ballgame and the issues in FG stereo's aren't present with FGX.

[EB#]

When will the FGX be on the lots? December 2014?

[commodorenutt]

Originally Posted by Mainforcepatrol

Apologies a bit off topic but was there ever a fix for the hiss in the FG radio.

Originally Posted by Bluehoon

The fixes attempted were akin to window dressing...
I'm hoping the whole Sync2 hardware is a better ballgame and the issues in FG stereo's aren't present with FGX.

The "window dressing" seems to have worked fairly well in my 8/11 G6. It is a bit of an oddball being one of the first LPi, just prior to the FG2 update. It has a bit of a unique setup - the wiring harness is like that of a FG2 G6 with the A-pillar tweeter plugs, and no under-dash courtesy light sockets, but obviously still has the standard FG screen & ICC.

Prior to doing an audio upgrade (amp, sub, splits etc) I could get hiss on the ipod input, but only when winding it up to greater than 25. The radio & CD didn't exhibit the hiss. I partly masked it by increasing the ipod gain in the ICC settings - to the point where you couldn't run the stock speakers past 15 before they were distorting (but no audible hiss, even on the quiet parts of Dire Straits' "Private Investigations").

All the talk of hiss and those who had found it become a lot worse with an amp had me concerned about doing the upgrade, but I pressed on. It's even better than I expected - I've wound the ipod gain back a bit (with an amp running a sub and front splits I could only get the volume up to 8 before it became uncomfortably loud).

I then began to doubt myself about the hiss, and whether I was missing something, so as a comparison, I tried out 2 of my work colleague's cars - one was a 2008 G6 with the tech pack, and the other a 2010 XR50T with premium sound. Using my old iPhone4 as the source (keeping it consistent with my car) both exhibited a lot of hiss on the aux setting.

So whatever they tried managed to work for my car. It didn't fix it completely, but it reduced it to almost in audible levels. It would be interesting to see if others with post-2011 cars also have a greatly reduced amount of hiss.

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by richo77

Well I'll rephrase my statement for our benefit - I cant wait to see the numbers comparing the XR8 and GTF.

I don't think there will be much difference really, the GT-F only just shades the R-Spec to 100kmh.

The XR8 will essentially be an R-Spec under the skin, it will have the 335kW tune but with the latest pcm and programming tweeks it should fall somewhere between the R-Spec and GT-F in acceleration.

[ACTIV8]

You'll notice most recent FG's including GT-F have the roof mounted aerial as well as the one in the back glass...I believe that's meant to be the fix.

GT-F acceleration is interesting to say the least, I'm guessing it's the over-boost but sometimes this thing feels like a Jet and other times a bit of a slug.

Robbie offered to open up the butterflies for me past 80% and suggested it wouldn't affect Warranty...this thing is my every day driver and I took a 6 year warranty on it, don't know that I want to risk it.

[rancidpunx]

Originally Posted by GTP534

I don't think there will be much difference really, the GT-F only just shades the R-Spec to 100kmh.

The XR8 will essentially be an R-Spec under the skin, it will have the 335kW tune but with the latest pcm and programming tweeks it should fall somewhere between the R-Spec and GT-F in acceleration.

There's bugger all difference. But xr8 wont get launch control. Some may dismiss it as just talk but its a feature that works.

[Tbm1121]

Originally Posted by ACTIV8

You'll notice most recent FG's including GT-F have the roof mounted aerial as well as the one in the back glass...I believe that's meant to be the fix.

GT-F acceleration is interesting to say the least, I'm guessing it's the over-boost but sometimes this thing feels like a Jet and other times a bit of a slug.

Robbie offered to open up the butterflies for me past 80% and suggested it wouldn't affect Warranty...this thing is my every day driver and I took a 6 year warranty on it, don't know that I want to risk it.

The roof mounted antenna allows for access for dab.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Tbm1121

The roof mounted antenna allows for access for dab.

It was added to improve radio reception which was a major complaint.

[SensationFG8]

FGX XR8 is a GT Rspec under the skin, the GTF is a more powerful GT Rspec with more stopping power.
The launch control is a fantastic bit of fun, not to be underestimated.
The XR8 is a fantastic valued performance sedan without some of the extra trimmings. It gives more people a chance to experience the Miami. This is a good thing!!!

There will be little more than 2 or 4 10ths between all 3 cars. On any given day any one of them could get the jump in a straight line, heck even a standard 335 is probably in the same boat there.
Different fuel load, different driver weight, different reaction time, bit more wheel spin and any of them could loose.

Each of these cars, GT or XR, will be special to their owner and that's the important thing I think many on these forums keep forgetting.

[GTP534]

Best 3 things aspects of the Miami (imo) guaranteed to bring a smile to your face:

1) Pushing that red button and hear the beast snarl into life.

2) Hearing the "snap crackle pop" on the overrun.

3) Slipping over to Performance mode (on the ZF), hit the accelerator and feel the rush and hear the supercharger whine as she grips and disappears up the road! (I'm sure the manual guys have their own take on this!!)

[Grechie]

I ordered mine on Saturday, cannot freakin wait now. ETA Feb for me.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

So whatever they tried managed to work for my car. It didn't fix it completely, but it reduced it to almost in audible levels. It would be interesting to see if others with post-2011 cars also have a greatly reduced amount of hiss.

There was a major change from about Jun 2012 that was meant to remove the problem to an acceptable level. This hiss from what I understand was a problem in the Auto cars.
The other problem was there is a lot of EMC in the car so this is a problem.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by vztrt

The other problem was there is a lot of EMC in the car so this is a problem.

Actually, I think you'll find that you mean EMI. It is the lack of EMC that has allowed the EMI issue to arise in the first place.

EMI = Electro-Magnetic Interference

EMC= Electro-Magnetic Compatibility.

Sorry, electrical engineer with an aircraft avionics design background. Had my fair share of trying to design out EMI and design in EMC.

Craig H

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by bionic2006xr6t

Maybe I should my misses always said I wasn't very observant. Never seen the view from the back seat eather maybe I should try it some day!
Cheers Ryan

Try it with the wife, you still might not notice it. I only noticed it because back when I had our G6ET I had a roof mounted dvd player installed and they gave me the centre light console, still there on top of my office desk shelves.

[Chopped]

Originally Posted by csv8

Comparo XR8 and SSV will be interesting!!

The XR8 will destroy it, it will also destroy all of the HSVs bar the GTS (which it will give a fright) in any straight line comparos.

It's hardly a secret that these things are more like 375+kw at the flywheel.

Not sure on corners or lap times though but I think it will be close.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Spoton chopped!

[Patty]

Originally Posted by Chopped

The XR8 will destroy it, it will also destroy all of the HSVs bar the GTS (which it will give a fright) in any straight line comparos.

It's hardly a secret that these things are more like 375+kw at the flywheel.

Not sure on corners or lap times though but I think it will be close.

Why does everyone think that beating a car in a straight line means it's a better car?? I reckon the comparo between an SSV redline and the XR8 335 will be quite close. Of course the XR8 will outpace the SS and even base HSV's in a straight line, but what about dynamics, tech, interior, everyday driveability? I can already see what the comparo's will say... XR8 has the grunt but lacks the refinement. I mean the interior is staying nearly EXACTLY the same. It will certainly be interesting to see what the fence sitters will say is the better car. If you were in the market right now for a $50,000 rwd performance car that can fit the fam it's a super tough choice. I personally would love to sit in the Holden's interior all day and it also drive's so well, but the XR8 would def have the fun factor, the noise, the acceleration. It would be a super tough choice for those who aren't particularly tied to a certain brand of car....

[Wretched]

Can't wait for the first review.
The first review to come back and say the car is rapid but not as quick as expected and average just about everywhere else.
The first poster on this forum to get their knickers in a knot over the review and blast out to all of the apparent bias..."Those heathens.."

[ltd]

All those decrying the falcon for looks are basically the "Vegans" of the internet world - they can't wait to tell you about it in some sanctimonious way.
I could not care one iota about what Hyundai are doing, what Holden are doing, or what Jacquie Lambie wants batteries for in a thread about the FGX Falcon.
FFS, it's in the title. If you want to poo poo the falcon create a thread titled; "I'm an insecure douche and cannot wait to tell you about it".
This thread is about the last hurrah we Falcon fans are going to have on the latest offering, if you cannot stay positive go to http://www.carving_veins_into_cucumbers.com and have your whinge there.