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**FairmontGS** · 11-06-2021, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

Do Victorians qualify as refugees currently?

MITCHAY · 11-06-2021, 06:45 PM

Vic overtakes the GSS with most vaccinations

Interesting to note we hit 4m total at end of May. It looks like we might hit 6m by mid month.

Vic outbreak driving the rate up as well as the AZ boosters coming up.

CoupeKing · 11-06-2021, 06:57 PM

I won't get the vaccine, but I've told people I did.

These covid cucks are more confused than a Chameleon in a pack of Skittles.

**Full Noise** · 11-06-2021, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

I won't get the vaccine, but I've told people I did.

These covid cucks are more confused than a Chameleon in a pack of Skittles.

I'm not getting the jab, but I couldn't give a stuff what others think and will gladly say that I won't be getting it. I don't wear a face nappy either. And just as a final trigger for the sheep, I travel everywhere.

Work Horse · 11-06-2021, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

I won't get the vaccine, but I've told people I did.

These covid cucks are more confused than a Chameleon in a pack of Skittles.

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

I'm not getting the jab, but I couldn't give a stuff what others think and will gladly say that I won't be getting it. I don't wear a face nappy either. And just as a final trigger for the sheep, I travel everywhere.

You guys are so awesome!

MITCHAY · 11-06-2021, 08:00 PM

It's a free country. It's not my concern what others choose to do. I have no issue getting it myself.

**buggerlugs** · 11-06-2021, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

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Looks like 5 or so got off at Qld.............

**FairmontGS** · 12-06-2021, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

And just as a final trigger for the sheep, I travel everywhere.

Well I hope you've got a good car or your own Cessna because odds on, next year you'll have to show some form of digital vaccine passport to get on a plane

tweeked · 12-06-2021, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

I'm not getting the jab, but I couldn't give a stuff what others think and will gladly say that I won't be getting it. I don't wear a face nappy either. And just as a final trigger for the sheep, I travel everywhere.

In the animal game of covid vaccination you are a Sheep or a Leming, no other options. But I defend the right that you are free to choose whichever you are.

**russellw** · 12-06-2021, 11:19 AM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT June 11th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

3 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.010%.

5 cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.962% and active cases 29.

The UK had a higher 7,958 cases yesterday and 17 deaths.

29,395 new cases in the USA yesterday and 819 deaths sees CMR at 1.791%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 176M, the last 1M taking 2 days;

Namibia (1,432);
Uganda (1,566); and
Mongolia (1,622)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Zimbabwe moves above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average and no countries drop below.

lumen8 · 12-06-2021, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Well I hope you've got a good car or your own Cessna because odds on, next year you'll have to show some form of digital vaccine passport to get on a plane

I wonder who will enforce this, airports or airlines. Or if the govt will make new laws to make it a border security thing and compulsory.

Tassie f100 · 12-06-2021, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

I'm not getting the jab, but I couldn't give a stuff what others think and will gladly say that I won't be getting it. I don't wear a face nappy either. And just as a final trigger for the sheep, I travel everywhere.

And I guess self centred people like yourself will take all the credit when We still have this virus in years to come.

Bossxr8 · 12-06-2021, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

And I guess self centred people like yourself will take all the credit when We still have this virus in years to come.

Having the vax doesn’t stop you getting it, and transmitting it though. So no, it won’t be their fault.

The chinese though. Good job making this curse

tweeked · 12-06-2021, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Having the vax doesn’t stop you getting it, and transmitting it though. So no, it won’t be their fault.

The chinese though. Good job making this curse

This is true, but only to a certain extent. Data is coming in that you are 40-60% less likely to transmit when infected after vaccination than without vaccine.

"In April, Public Health England reported the results of a large study of COVID-19 transmission involving more than 365,000 households with a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated members.

It found immunisation with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine reduced the chance of onward virus transmission by 40–60%."

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...cines-do-reduc

**FairmontGS** · 12-06-2021, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lumen8

I wonder who will enforce this, airports or airlines. Or if the govt will make new laws to make it a border security thing and compulsory.

Feds have already indicated that they won't get involved other than making sure your vaccine status is available online and negotiating bubbles.

Foreign powers like the UK and Singapore have indicated that you will not be admitted through the border without proof of vaccination status.

Qantas have stated numerous times that no-jab, no-fly. They would have to fly you home if rejected at the destination port.

It's coming.

tweeked · 12-06-2021, 02:44 PM

It will just be like other check in items when you depart a country. They wont check you in if they dont check your passport, they wont check you in if you dont have an approved full vaccination.

Domestic travel it will only come in and be checked when there are arrivals from hotspots.

Land based travel will be another matter, pretty sure you will include a number of some sort on your border passes.

Tassie f100 · 12-06-2021, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Having the vax doesn’t stop you getting it, and transmitting it though. So no, it won’t be their fault.

The chinese though. Good job making this curse

So tell me wise one.What is the point of the vaccine if it won’t stop me getting it. Obviously if I can get it with the vaccine what is the benefit of having the jab.

**FairmontGS** · 12-06-2021, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

So tell me wise one.What is the point of the vaccine if it won’t stop me getting it. Obviously if I can get it with the vaccine what is the benefit of having the jab.

To stop you getting more than the sniffles and being in icu I gather.

hayseed · 12-06-2021, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Well I hope you've got a good car or your own Cessna because odds on, next year you'll have to show some form of digital vaccine passport to get on a plane

When He says he Travels everywhere he means, That; He's a Professional Truck Driver..!

T3rminator · 12-06-2021, 05:13 PM

Don't some countries already mandate certain vaccines before you can enter? Like yellow fever, polio and malaria?

FPV8U · 12-06-2021, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

To stop you getting more than the sniffles and being in icu I gather.

That’s essentially it in a nutshell, if your in the age groups where CV19 is likely to have a substantial risk to you then it’s probably worth getting, even factoring in the risk factors that are being published.

Personally I’ll be holding off for another year or two, if that means no international travel I’m not too fussed, my age group CV19 isn’t much of a risk unless your unfortunate enough to have a major health issues.

T3rminator · 12-06-2021, 05:34 PM

Heart inflammation in young men higher than expected after Pfizer, Moderna vaccines -U.S. CDC
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc...19-2021-06-10/

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More than half of the cases reported to the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) after people had received their second dose of either the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna (MRNA.O) vaccines were in people between the ages of 12 and 24, the CDC said. Those age groups accounted for less than 9% of doses administered.

"We clearly have an imbalance there," Dr. Tom Shimabukuro, deputy director of the CDC's Immunization Safety Office, said in a presentation to an advisory committee to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration meeting on Thursday.

The overwhelming majority of the cases have occurred within a week of vaccination, Shimabukuro said.

There were 283 observed cases of heart inflammation after the second vaccine dose in those aged 16 to 24 in the VAERS data. That compares with expectations of 10-to-102 cases for that age range based on U.S. population background incidence rates, the CDC said.

I'm still getting the shot, mainly because I don't want to be responsible for, or at least lessen the chance, of passing it to people like my neighbour, who is 90+ and is unable to take the shot due to her medical condition. Many of of friends are in the "i'm not taking the shot" camp, and there is really no point discussing it once their minds are set.

**FairmontGS** · 12-06-2021, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Don't some countries already mandate certain vaccines before you can enter? Like yellow fever, polio and malaria?

Yes.

https://www.who.int/ith/2016-ith-county-list.pdf

**GasoLane** · 12-06-2021, 06:19 PM

"(CNN) — Two guests aboard the first major sea cruise hosting Americans since the pandemic halted the industry have tested positive for coronavirus in required end-of-cruise testing, the cruise line said Thursday."

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/artic...2QOZIkJXrGwXi8

Yellow_Festiva · 12-06-2021, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Don't some countries already mandate certain vaccines before you can enter? Like yellow fever, polio and malaria?

Yes, it's indicated in a little yellow booklet of sorts.

Needed it when I travelled around south eastern Africa.

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T3rminator · 12-06-2021, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Yes, it's indicated in a little yellow booklet of sorts.

Needed it when I travelled around south eastern Africa.

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Some countries also make you take certain health tests on arrival, like tuberculosis. I remember when I landed in the UK on a working holiday visa, they made me go get a test at the airport. In the room were all "coloured' people

....but once they saw that I was from Australia, they just waved me through without doing the test

Yellow_Festiva · 12-06-2021, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

"(CNN) — Two guests aboard the first major sea cruise hosting Americans since the pandemic halted the industry have tested positive for coronavirus in required end-of-cruise testing, the cruise line said Thursday."

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/artic...2QOZIkJXrGwXi8

Oh Sh!t....

Did they need testing prior to boarding?

Edit - yes they did get tested prior, and returned negative results one would assume?

Makes you wonder how many false negatives there are floating around?

Ok - no pun intended regarding cruises

There have been many cases of false positives....

lumen8 · 12-06-2021, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Feds have already indicated that they won't get involved other than making sure your vaccine status is available online and negotiating bubbles.

Foreign powers like the UK and Singapore have indicated that you will not be admitted through the border without proof of vaccination status.

Qantas have stated numerous times that no-jab, no-fly. They would have to fly you home if rejected at the destination port.

It's coming.\

The EU vax passport states a negative test is sufficient (though the media here wont tell us that). The UK is along those lines at present aslo. It might change yes, but Ive cut and paste the current requirements, from here

https://www.gov.uk/uk-border-control

cut and paste...

Entering the UK

"Overview
If you’re travelling to England, what you need to do depends on where you have been in the 10 days before you arrive. If you have been in a country or territory on the:

green list - you must take a coronavirus (COVID-19) test on or before day 2

amber list - you must quarantine in the place you’re staying and take 2 COVID-19 tests

red list - you must quarantine in a hotel and take 2 COVID-19 tests

You cannot currently enter the UK if you’ve been in or through a country on the red list unless you’re British, Irish or you have the right to live in the UK.

Before you leave for the UK

You’ll need to:

provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test taken in the 3 days before you leave for the UK

complete a passenger locator form

end cut and paste.

So its a neg test for now... and ironically Australia is on their green list, although of course we cant fly out without an exemption. But those who get an exemption just need one neg test over there.

Yellow_Festiva · 12-06-2021, 07:12 PM

The more countries that relax restrictions and allow regimented travel the sooner our borders will open.

The UK entry conditions are surprising, I thought proof of vaccination was a given?

Does NZ allow other countries to visit other than Australia? I assume not?

If the bubble with SG opens soon (and I pray it does) then what other countries will be able to visit there other than us?

I'm wondering, does SG currently allow visitors from abroad?

I think we are in a catch 22 situation. No real motivation to be vaccinated because we can't travel. We can't travel because not enough are vaccinated.

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lumen8 · 12-06-2021, 07:18 PM

Last I looked NZ isnt letting anyone in (other than us) , but their citizens can leave.

Ive seen no info suggesting the UK has made vaccines mandatory for travel in and out at present... the above is from a govt site, and this from the guardian ...

What do you need certificates for in the UK?
To enter the UK, certificates are needed to provide evidence of a negative Covid-19 test. The test result must be in either English, French or Spanish.

Depending on the country of origin, up to two more tests could be required, both of which would need a certificate to prove a negative result.

What about vaccination?
The government has suggested it will incorporate a vaccination status into the existing NHS Covid app.

However, there are currently no requirements to prove vaccination status when entering the UK.

Linky: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...r-the-uk-covid