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19-09-2012, 06:30 PM | #1141 | |||
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Understood, looking at photos they have sent me I tend to agree. The installer has probably just had a guess at the roof angle at scribbled something down
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19-09-2012, 06:35 PM | #1142 | ||
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most do then of course comes the obligatory "oh look your roof angle and direction is perfect"
I built a rough angle finder by printing out an angle finder from the net and glueing that to a flat lump of plywood with a swinging wood needle actually works very well I wouldn't worry too much about the angle of your roof as long as it is close to a reasonable angle......anywhere from probably 20 degs to 40 would work fine and probably be okay out of those perimeters as well
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19-09-2012, 06:35 PM | #1143 | |||
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Sometimes though just holding the panels on the roof you can feel the wind want to pick you and take you for a little air glide. They would want to make sure its a solid structure.
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19-09-2012, 06:55 PM | #1144 | ||
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Another thing you guys should ask for if your getting solar installed is to ask the lazy tradie not have any conduit showing. Its spoils the look of the roof. Its not hard to come up through 2 spots of the roof. Just lazy and looks horrible I reckon. Not many go to the effort but deffinately mention it.
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19-09-2012, 07:01 PM | #1145 | |||
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the inspector was more interested in the presentation of the array from the street the only mention he made about strength of the structure or the ability to catch wind was that no part of the array was to protrude above the ridge I have replaced a few roofs in my time and built a lot of carports/verandas, the wind can very quickly turn dangerous and rip the iron out of the hands...a solar panel would catch about the same
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19-09-2012, 07:13 PM | #1146 | |||
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Where my panels are located their above an internal vaulted/cathedral ceiling and I had one installer say the only way to cable down to the inverter was across the roof with consult. He didn't get the gig.
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20-09-2012, 12:50 AM | #1147 | |||
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The fecal matter is descending towards the ceiling mounted bladed rotary air cooling device...
Unbelievable suggestion from a government think tank (or is that drunk tank)... http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226476663040 Quote:
I know I for one will be seriously rethinking our plan to fit a system to the house we're going to buy down at Rocky soon...is it still worth it? It won't be if this idiotic idea is brought in... |
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20-09-2012, 02:31 AM | #1148 | ||
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If a Gross tariff like that comes in anywhere, I guess it will make having battery storage much more appealling.
You'd essentially have a stand alone system, with the Power Grid for backup and supplementry power in times of high load. Like these jiggers - http://powerrouter.com/ Why should anyone with Solar, be forced to sell low, and buy high? Incidently, this Victorian Feed-in Tariff reduction, has created yet another mad solar rush. A week ago, I was given a list of 105 installations, and asked to get as many done as I can, before 30th of Sept. It doesn't faze me, cause I've never been one to rush a solar job. I did at the list though, when I saw it. Maybe if the Battery storage systems become popular, I'll finally be able to put the 'Standalone' portion of my Solar Accreditation to good use. Might at last, get some value out of the $800 accreditation fee.......
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20-09-2012, 09:00 AM | #1149 | |||
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20-09-2012, 09:29 AM | #1150 | ||
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I do know you can add bateries (and a hell of a lot of extra space needed and extra expense) to a solar power system. How many people will want to go to all that extra complication?
Not many I would bet. Solar was always sold as a way to cut down your power bills...start talking abut "off the grid" living and having to find a shed to put your batteries, and people will start to say it's just too hard. I think the problem is that the electricity companies have the competition authorities in their pocket. They don't like competition from people producing their own power and they want complete control over the production of energy. If those goddamn consumers feed power into the grid, they won't have to produce as much, so their profits will drop. It's already been noticed from some news reports over the last couple of years since solar became popular. |
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20-09-2012, 09:48 AM | #1151 | |||
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20-09-2012, 09:53 AM | #1152 | |||
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I do wonder what happens to all the electricity we overgenerate when all the FIT's are discontinued. Will we all be calling our solar companies and getting them around to disconnect some of our panels in disgust so that we only have enough working to cover our own usage?
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20-09-2012, 10:47 AM | #1153 | ||
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if this comes about I will go stand alone.......the expense isn't that great in comparison to a lifetime of high power prices
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20-09-2012, 11:56 AM | #1154 | ||
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Thing about feed in tariffs is that its not a sustainable model, its really only meant for the short term i.e. 15 - 20 years.
Once everyone has solar and dirty power is all but eradicated, there is going to be a need for serious change of infrastructure...
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20-09-2012, 12:37 PM | #1155 | ||
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Hah! had to laugh at that......I will be very happy if I'm still around in 15 - 20 years neverlone the FIT or my solar
I doubt I will be here in 10
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20-09-2012, 01:23 PM | #1156 | |||
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20-09-2012, 01:40 PM | #1157 | |||
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The FIT buy back means to me that the system would pay for itself in roughly 3 years. Well worth it IMO - all free after that. I found it hard to reason how when I was paying 23c kWh, that I would get paid back 52c kWh by feeding unused energy into the grid - I still find it hard to nut that one out! Seemed to good to be true, maybe it is! Like I have stated in a previous post, I got a guarantee on my system - not on the rebates. Too late if things change now for me, but like 2011G6E - I think this will kill the solar industry in QLD. Ludicrous! Cheers!
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20-09-2012, 03:30 PM | #1158 | |||
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20-09-2012, 04:10 PM | #1159 | |||
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BTW - if any NSW dudes have an analog meter, look into the possibility of keeping that meter rather than going digital NET feed in. The digital nets the usage instantaneously, whereas the analog will spin backwards - you will get more than 0-8c on an analog - it will be at your consumption charge ... about 30c |
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20-09-2012, 05:09 PM | #1160 | |||
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I would suggest not trying to keep your old meter that spins backwards, this can cause the meter to be damaged and when you are paying for the power the meter will spin quicker and you will be charged for more power than you are using. These type of meters were never made to go backwards. That is why it is important to get a new meter with the solar install. In Victoria, your installer should not be turning the solar system on until the retailer has arranged the installation of the solar meter. As above old meters may break down, but if you have a smart meter and the solar is turned on, without it first being reconfigured for solar. The meter may charge you for your generated power. I have seen it so many times because installers, or customer turn's there solar system on before having the solar meter and they get a massive bill. Last edited by xisled; 20-09-2012 at 05:17 PM. |
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20-09-2012, 05:24 PM | #1161 | |||
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I agree 100% with this......I too have seen meters register the input as a charge not a good idea!
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20-09-2012, 06:24 PM | #1162 | |||
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can you elaborate more on this. are you saying that when i get my smart meter installed, the amount of power that my inverter is saying i have generated, automatically appears on the new meter?? i'm thinking i will turn my system off the day before my meter goes on, and then turn it back on once the import/export meter is installed. surely it wouldn't be able to know how much energy has been produced. regardless, a phone call to your retailer normally gets the issue resolved. my import/export meter is due on in a week. |
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20-09-2012, 06:34 PM | #1163 | |||
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20-09-2012, 08:50 PM | #1164 | |||
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As for the meter itself, everything is reset back to zero. There is a reading for power drawn from the grid, one for off peak if you have it, and one for the number of kWh you've put back in the grid. The figure on the inverter is a separate figure to that on the meter. One is how much power you've generated (inverter), the other is how much you've exported to the grid (smart meter). Have a read of this: http://www.sapowernetworks.com.au/pu...d.jsp?id=11342
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21-09-2012, 01:43 PM | #1165 | |||
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As I said on vic, your system should not be on until your solar meter is installed. How I know this. I work for a vic retailer and I get the paperwork from the solar installers and raise the request for the meter to be changed over. |
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21-09-2012, 03:21 PM | #1166 | |||
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i know the issue regarding the high bills is common. i was just wondering if you knew how the retailer made the error. my nieghbour reckoned they read the power generated as 'usage'. in SA the systems used to get turned on as soon as the panels were up, but due to the 'high 1st bill' thing, installers are now instructed to turn it off after they have checked its all working. my installer told me that it wasn't 'illegal' for me to turn it back on after they leave but to be aware that i may end up with the bill issue. my retailer isn't due to read my meter (or guess my usage) until end of october as i got a bill just before my system went on. |
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21-09-2012, 05:43 PM | #1167 | ||
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if you have the old meter with the spinny whatsit with all numbers intact
try the solar for a day or two......if the numbers have reduced (taking into account the possible draw from home electrical appliances) then I think it would be fine however if the meter could possibly be damaged and go into a negative generation is it worth the risk weighing up the pro's and con's I think I would wait until i got my smart meter on
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21-09-2012, 06:49 PM | #1168 | ||
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i have had my system on since the installers left. thats 2 weeks. i've been keeping track of the usage and so far (thanks to quite a few cloudy/rainy days) the meter has only gone forward about 20kwh and my solar has produced over 260kwh. has seen a worst daily output of 3kwh (rained all day) and a best so far of 21kwh.
my installer checked my meter and said the type i had would be fine if i left the system on. meter goes on in a week so i'll run the gauntlet for a bit longer |
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21-09-2012, 06:57 PM | #1169 | |||
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good news........you should be right.....worried me a bit when the other feller said about damaging the meter.....hadn't heard of that before......I had heard of a couple of folks getting charged for infeed but keeping a very close watch, as you have done, should see if it is running right
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21-09-2012, 07:03 PM | #1170 | ||
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haha, its taken the best part of the 2 weeks for the novelty of checking the meter to wear off. i still check the inverter and daily totals but have cut back on checking the meter to only once a day or couple of days
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