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If our government fails to learn from the experience of the first one and doesn't create a proper plan of attack for next time, well that's a different issue and can't really be excused. edited to add: My own personal wish is that all levels of government can realise what's at stake and stop the waffling around. Our country has been turning the people against either side for a long time just so they can get themselves elected and the other party out. I hope they can all cut the bull**** and realise that their job is to meet the needs of the country and the people, they should all be focusing their attentions on that. Australians seem to love to argue and flip flop backwards and forwards between parties, there's no forward thinking at all. Last edited by leesa; 01-07-2021 at 11:43 AM. |
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"too many cooks in the kitchen" Cheers |
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Our Govs also instead of thinking about themselves as they have for so long should be making the media far more accountable for all the misleading crap they throw up for headlines in these questionable/challenging times for all.
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I reckon we should ban political parties, after all there is no mention of them in our Constitution, let people vote on the conscious all the time, it would be a much free'er parliament - all elected members decide who is PM and the best person is picked/elected by a free vote for the Ministers roles
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#11916 | |||
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Incidentally, mum recently complained that her phone (Samsung S9+) was running out of battery all the time. So I took a look the other day, and noticed that the CovidSafe app was still installed ![]()
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT June 30th, 2021.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting. 57 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 2.973%. 1 case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.948% and active cases 31. The UK had a higher 25,606 cases yesterday and lower 14 deaths. A lower 18,865 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 320 deaths sees CMR at 1.796%. Other notable points: Cambodia (1,130); Kyrgyzstan (1,965) - the previous high in July last year; Tunisia (5,921)Bangladesh (8,822); and Indonesia (21,807) ... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. Mozambique moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while no countries drop below.
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Yes, agree, it is a 1 in 100 year event that no one alive today has been through. But past lessons have been documented, some people just chose to ignore it.
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The Feds one was a different basis - who you were close to. A good thing was that you didn't have to check in. They got it out fast but it needed to be active all the time. It had good points, giving updates and warnings close to where you were. But it was doomed as it relied on everyone doing the right thing, intentionally and unintentionally. I often accidentally closed it, and needed the app to remind me to realise. Also it was built on the medical advice of the time, 15 minutes close to someone, we have learnt a bit about that since. At least it didn't take over a year to get out there. The newer breed are better, the Vic one is particularly good. As to why it took so long to create such a simple app, that I cannot answer. As for complaining about the cost - 20 to 30 cents for each man woman and child, there are other things to worry about.
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I came across this video today. It provides a fairly basic and easy to understand explanation of how the various COVID variants developed, and why the Delta and Delta Plus strains are so prevalent.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...-plus/13426792
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We should be ok for future pandemics. After vaccination is complete, we will have contact tracing chips in all of us. ![]()
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And on a lighter note:
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#11926 | |||
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A thinly "masked" conspiracy to keep the short supply items for themselves. They should have just said general population should wear a mask of any kind from the start and kept surgical ones for the health professionals.
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If we are altruistic, we needed the vaccine least, and so even being rich we are missing out, waiting till last........ But in reality we are here due to inept government at all levels, and a population willing for someone else to get vaccinated so that we will be ok. Until there is an outbreak near me, then we stampede for the vaccine and complain we have to wait!
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That wasn’t the point I was making. You partly picked it up in your edit at the end. My point was about the likelihood of conspiracies first and then about the lack of coordination between the governments that are not working closely enough with each other.
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Travel times might be different now, but protection against contagion isn’t. The previous pandemic did reach Australia (estimated 15,000 deaths), so your point about long journey times on ships serving as effective quarantine doesn’t hold. And that’s simply because passengers don’t catch the flu all at the same time at the beginning of the trip. As an example of a lesson not learned, more than one year after the pandemic started, there was no law requiring front line workers to wear masks. Eg. a limousine drivers ferrying international visitors around. Prevention. Contract tracing may not have been done back then, and while it speeds up the process to suppress new outbreaks, it is reactive rather than proactive.
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Are you suggesting that Australia didn't have a pandemic plan prior to the pandemic? They did and they enacted it.
While we may quibble about parts of the response. I would say Australia's response has been an overwhelming success. https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/content/519F9392797E2DDCCA257D47001B9948/$File/w-AHMPPI-2019.PDF This is the 2018 QLD plan https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data...demic-plan.pdf
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We need to, and should, prioritise ourselves for the vaccine now, but what sits a bit uncomfortably is that we are actively opposing the "free" manufacturing of the vaccines to countries that can't access it. I get it that those who invented it should be rewarded, but how many more billions does it take before we realise, oh crap we need to get everyone else done too or else we'll be forever playing catch up on new variants. So this goes back to the "lessons", we have a world body telling us what needs to be done from past learnings, but we are very selective with what we want to listen to.
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They push transhumanism, us not eating meat, limited travel, "you will own nothing and be happy" ... on it goes. Aligns with the extreme left/climate stuff. Of course the people behind WEF are all multi-millionaires like Klaus Scwhab. Their way of life wont change if they get what they are pushing for. Greg Hunt by the way was director of strategy for the WEF some time ago, im not suprised he is reading Schwabs book. |
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There's nothing in there about border measures, limiting intake of people and how to process them, nothing of the best way to quarantine and isolate, testing large numbers of the population, coordinating healthcare workers so that we don't either run low in other areas or accidentally kill off all our health staff, utilising our defense forces. It's an influenza strategy, it's inadequate for something like covid. I've never said that Australia's strategy hasn't been a success, actually I think I've said that it has been a success on several occasions. What I've said is that people should quieten down and stop expecting that we're going to get it 100% right during our first go at a major pandemic. After it's done we'll go figure out what worked, what didn't and put it all together in a strategy that can be enacted from week1 the next time it happens. |
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Yes, funnily enough I have read it. I actually read them last year when this sprung up too. I would suggest you haven't read them fully though as they are rather lengthy documents. And of interest, you would have noticed the detection of a novel virus was one of the triggers for enacting the QLD plan Activation of the Queensland Health pandemic influenza plan may be considered by the Director-General or the Chief Health Officer and Deputy Director-General Prevention Division (CHO & DDG) under the following circumstances: notification from the Australian Government Department of Health of the emergence of a novel influenza virus with pandemic potential in Australia or overseas potential or actual threat of seasonal influenza overwhelming health service capacity. Go on Fonzie... say it... "I was wro ...wro...wrong"
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SA Chief Health officer dismissed vaccination rates as 'minor point': Kenny
Sky News host Chris Kenny says the SA Chief Health officer Nicola Spurrier "dismissed" the "fundamental question" surrounding the country's COVID response as a "minor point". |
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Knowing how Brisvegas residents socialise, I'm surprised there hasn't been an out of control outbreak (touch wood)
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Read it and you will understand how the government was planning to react to a pandemic just like this one. That is their playbook. Obviously it gets adapted as they go But for you to say they had no plan is wrong Fonzie. Just say it. Go on...
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