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06-07-2010, 01:19 AM | #91 | |||
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As a brand they are simply on the nose with a lot of people in the market. A real shame given FG Falcon looks to have overcome a lot of the faults of the BA generation. |
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06-07-2010, 01:24 AM | #92 | |||
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If they get the line speed up, and can make more cars per day then yes they should be able to sell more cars. But at the moment I wouldn't expect anything big. This month was a poor month (which is strange seeing that they have been doing quite well in the previous months). I'm just wondering what the dealer stocks are like.
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06-07-2010, 02:05 AM | #93 | ||
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if ford get their line speed up and make more cars, where are they going to store them if they dont sell them?
dealers wont buy the cars unless they need them, the holding yard in broady isnt covered anymore and isnt fords anymore either. but ford increasing their line speed will also reduce their build quality, which will cost them sales. at the same time increasing line speed will also increase wages which i doubt ford australia want at this point in time. i think ford australia are trying to show mr mullaly that they are a profitable business so they can keep the factory open in australia and hopefully contribute to the one ford plan the mr mullaly has. but i think ford are doing well every month even if they sell 2500 falcons, how many of those are xt's and how many are premium models? im guessing 1 in 5 are xt's because i havent seen a fg xt in atleast 3 months which is not a taxi. |
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06-07-2010, 06:30 AM | #94 | |||
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I think the equipment you get in the Accord Euro is very lacking. For $34.5k you can get a Hyundai i45 which has far more equipment. I can't believe the Euro doesn't even have a USB/iPod interface for the stereo. There's no engine start button, nor LED tail-lights. And the base model doesn't even come with leather, electric seats or reverse parking sensors. Nor does it have auto on/off headlights or wipers. ALL of these things are standard even on the mid-range i45, plus you get auto folding mirrors, a 6 speed auto, direct injection, fog lights, and much more. For me it's a no brainer PS - I already own one. But I'm not biased - my last 2 cars were Hondas. Last edited by MrZ; 06-07-2010 at 06:39 AM. |
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06-07-2010, 09:37 AM | #96 | |||
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06-07-2010, 11:28 AM | #97 | |||
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06-07-2010, 11:31 AM | #98 | |||
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At least it shows things are pretty good if they are doing overtime. I know people wax lyrical about profit over volume but in the mass-produced family car market you need both. Every time it costs you $500 million for a new model you need to spread that over the production run. Lack of volume will kill manufacturing in Australia, not costs. As a young man I saw first hand how we couldnt compete with the economies of scale of other countries in the rolling-stock train game even though we were incredibly efficient. The Fairlane was a $50,000 car, they werent selling them cheap but in the end it was the lack of volume which killed it. The more you produce the less your per vehicle: factory, employee, R&D and marketing costs are. Thats why I was one of the biggest supporters of local Focus and Kuga production. I guess as long as your profitable its the main thing, but when model upgrade comes how much do you spend on 28,000 units a year. And then it becomes a downward spiral, the less you spend, the less you sell, the less you sell, the less you spend etc etc. Falcon needs a wagon - which wont happen. But the new ecoboost and LPG engines will give it a good kick in the butt. Falcon ute should be 1500 units a month, I will go out on a limb and say it is the best vehicle in the world in its segment. In my opinion Ford are totally lost on what the Falcon is. The marketing message is too subtle and pretentious and dosnt connect with real Australian buyers. As much as Ford would love the Falcon to be bought by young single guys or middle aged business exectutives, in the end its a family car and that message is not been put across to all those mums and dads with a few young kids, they dont even consider a Falcon when shopping for a car. Its either a Commodore, a CRV or a Kluger seems to be the way most families think at my son's school. Holden arnt afraid to talk about Commodores big boot, or show it with young kids and a dog in the back. I think that kind of imagery really hits the mark with a huge demographic. |
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06-07-2010, 11:35 AM | #99 | ||
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The top ten cars for the month were:
1. Holden Commodore (4697) 2. Toyota Corolla (4194) 3. Toyota Hilux (4101) 4. Mazda3 (3680) 5. Hyundai i30 (3209) 6. Holden Cruze (2987) 7. Ford Falcon (2651) 8. Mitsubishi Lancer (2538) 9. Volkswagen Golf (2527) 10. Nissan Navara (2415).
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06-07-2010, 12:06 PM | #100 | |||
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It is a pity that they just do not return to the same smart snappy advertising they did for the release of the BA (can't get enough of this). At least Uncle Geoff was a sales man first before he was a business man, and it showed. |
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06-07-2010, 12:30 PM | #101 | |||
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06-07-2010, 12:42 PM | #102 | |||
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+ Ute, but off teh top of my head Holden Ute is reported seperately to their Commodore range also. |
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06-07-2010, 12:44 PM | #103 | |||
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I think all the extra Falcon production that was built over the last 2-3 weeks came too late to affect this months numbers as most of them wouldn't have even hit the dealers yet, they have been building a heap of the 50th anniversary FG's, and they have only just gone on sale in the last few days? |
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06-07-2010, 12:57 PM | #104 | |||
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THere are 3000 imbecile's in this country that just bought a Holden Cruise
What a absolute rubbish vehicle. So Frustrating to see good local product outsold by Korean rubbish to the uneducated Australian.
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06-07-2010, 01:03 PM | #106 | |||
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Maybe in the meantime they can remove those god-awful: up-themselves, pretentious ads showing people clapping at the Falcon or paparazzi taking photos of the Falcon, how smug can you get in an Ad?. And even the stupid slogan 'Ford, of course' sounds self-righteous and ****y. Current Falcon advertising leaves me so cold to the Falcon its not funny. Awful sales results in a booming market reflects my views. I am more inspired to buy a new Falcon when watching an old daggy 'Size it up XB Falcon commercial' on Youtube than when Im watching a new Falcon ad. Show a Falcon towing a horse float, crossing a desert, overtaking a B-double, seating three kids in the back. Show the bloody car actually doing something instead of parked or pulling out of a carpark. Ford is giving me no reason to buy a Falcon over a Camry or Accord Euro or CRV or Kluger or Commodore.... I know I have mentioned marketing again and again in many threads but to me this is where Ford is failing dismally with the Falcon, just totally out of touch with mainstream Australia. Saying that buyers are stupid is nonsense, people buy what they want to buy - and Ford is giving us no reason to go out and put a new Falcon in the driveway. Just wasteful advertising which instills no kind of romance or adventure in Falcon ownership. Last edited by Brazen; 06-07-2010 at 01:15 PM. |
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06-07-2010, 02:57 PM | #108 | |||
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absolute rubbish!!!! and if in fact it were true, that reasoning would mean toyota would be teetering on bankruptcy right about now
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06-07-2010, 03:09 PM | #109 | ||
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Wont be long before the Falcon is off the top 10 list..
Holden must have registered some cars last month for their own / demo use thats for sure, theres no way they would have moved that in REAL terms! |
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06-07-2010, 05:50 PM | #110 | ||
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Yep, good one ANTO. How do you compare a few recalls of late, to making problematic cars for nearly two decades?
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06-07-2010, 06:01 PM | #111 | |||
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Bad sales does not always mean bad marketing. Bad sales usually means bad sales department!! Especially considering most of Falcon sales are fleets sales, then marketing has nothing to do with it & it is all in the hands of the sales department!! Also Falcon has won the "most clicked" on the net, so marketing is doing its job, but the sales department is a let down!! |
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06-07-2010, 06:49 PM | #112 | |||
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06-07-2010, 07:11 PM | #113 | |||
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http://www.caradvice.com.au/72908/to...-to-last-year/
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http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...0705-zxnb.html
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06-07-2010, 07:18 PM | #115 | |||
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http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...0705-zxp5.html
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06-07-2010, 07:34 PM | #116 | |||
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Some reports from the US and NZ.
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06-07-2010, 08:00 PM | #118 | |||
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They might be peas in a pod, but so is the Commodore & Falcon, yet they are still bitter competitors!! |
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06-07-2010, 08:34 PM | #119 | |||
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As for Commodore and Falcon, I prefer the term "equal stakeholders" in the RWD mafia
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06-07-2010, 09:16 PM | #120 | ||
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?????? question marks fill my head so much, how has the cruze become so big so quick?????? I don't know about pricing but is it really that much cheaper than the competition? What's the quailty like on them
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