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23-07-2012, 12:28 AM | #91 | |||
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23-07-2012, 12:35 AM | #92 | ||
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Mate, is this madman sick? hell yes, but imo he is also a delusional, bloodthirsty, coldblooded ^%$ #*&^ that knew what he was doing! 6000 rounds & $20,000 outlay proves he was on a mission. Did he undertake training before he went on his barbaric spree? Was Norway's Brehvic sick also? Same as above.
In the States the anti gun lobby have a new pin up boy but i'm sure things will stay the same imo.They just aint got the money to take on the NRA. As for this debate about pro & anti gun ownership i will say this- a better solution needs finding and the sooner the better. I dont think responsible owners should be punished for the actions of others but the safety & security of the community in this day & age is absolutley paramount - dont we all agree? May God bless the victims, may they rest in peace. God bless USA & God bless Australia. cheers,Maka
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23-07-2012, 12:39 AM | #93 | |||
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23-07-2012, 06:07 PM | #94 | |||
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So when was the last gun massacre in Australia before Bryant? |
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23-07-2012, 06:13 PM | #95 | |||
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How about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_mass_murders
And all of the Indigenous Australians massacred following white settlement. Too much to paste: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...us_Australians
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23-07-2012, 06:42 PM | #96 | ||
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I'm glad you brought up the Milperra massacre, a gunfight between outlaw bikies, yet there is rarely a day goes past without something or someone being shot up by bikies in south east Queensland. Obvious the gun laws worked well there.
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23-07-2012, 06:54 PM | #97 | |||
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What are you on? |
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23-07-2012, 06:55 PM | #98 | |||
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Just my cents worth, but I do hear what you're saying. Cheers!
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23-07-2012, 07:00 PM | #99 | |||
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Point is this: 7 gun massacres in the 12 years prior to Pt Arthur... 0 gun massacres in the 16 years following Pt Arthur and the tightening of the gun laws. Inevitably we will have another gun massacre at some point, but tightening the gun laws has clearly been effective in decreasing the rate of gun massacres. Your position that 'gun crime didn't slow down in Australia when tighter laws were imposed' is simply not backed by the evidence.
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23-07-2012, 07:10 PM | #100 | |||
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Maybe if your only measure for gun crime are massacres. |
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23-07-2012, 07:15 PM | #101 | |||
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This was your argument originally, and then it backfired when I pointed out that gun massacres had decreased. This whole thread is about gun massacres.
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23-07-2012, 07:20 PM | #102 | ||
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Armed Robbery
In the context of a rising armed robbery rate it was hoped that regulating firearms would restrict access to them by those committing robbery, many of whom commit the offence without much planning or preparation. But Fig 3 shows a significant increase in the number of armed robberies involving the use of a firearm in the period following the introduction of the Guns Act 1991. In percentage terms the increase is one of 51.2%. In most cases whether the gun was loaded was either not known or not recorded (almost 90%) but in 8% of incidents it was known to be loaded, usually because the gun was actually fired (6.5%). Although it is rare for the firearm to be actually discharged, nevertheless the potential for serious harm in such cases is obvious even if no harm is intended. In one case in 1994 for example, two offenders entered the office of a service station in the early hours of the morning. One pointed a loaded shotgun at the employee and demanded money. The shotgun discharged seriously injuring and permanently disabling the employee. It was accepted that discharging the gun was unintentional. An examination of firearm robbery rates shows that the rate continued to increase for the two years after the Guns Act came into force together with the armed robbery rate and the unarmed robbery rate. Taken from http://www.aic.gov.au/crime_types/violence |
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23-07-2012, 07:22 PM | #103 | |||
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Have a read of this link http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/vwFiles/CJB98.pdf/$file/CJB98.pdf and show me how law changes in 1997 made an impact. |
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23-07-2012, 07:34 PM | #104 | |||
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And for the record, I am on nothing since giving up cigarettes 6 months ago, but thanks for asking.
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23-07-2012, 07:35 PM | #105 | |||||
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As for your argument... you quoted this article earlier: http://www.aic.gov.au/crime_types/violence/weapons/~/media/conferences/outlook99/warner.ashx Quote:
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23-07-2012, 07:42 PM | #106 | |||
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Then in the second article it specifically shows and increase in attempted homicide with guns from 1995 to 2005 in NSW. |
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23-07-2012, 07:42 PM | #107 | ||
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23-07-2012, 07:46 PM | #108 | ||
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Some info on NSW
Part of obtaining a Provisional Licence in NSW. "a) Been refused or prohibited from holding a firearms licence or permit or had a firearm licence or permit suspended, cancelled or revoked (circle) YES NO b) Are you currently subject to a Good Behaviour Bond for an offence referred in Question e)? (circle) YES NO c) Been, or are presently, subject to a firearms/weapons prohibition order? (circle) YES NO d) Attempted suicide or self harm or been referred or treated for alcoholism, drug dependency or a mental or nervous disorder or illness? (circle) YES NO e) Been convicted of an offence involving firearms or weapons, prohibited drugs/plants, fraud/dishonesty/stealing, prescribed restricted substances, terrorism, violence, robbery, or an offence of a sexual nature? (circle) YES NO f) Within the last 10 years been subject of a Domestic Violence Order or Apprehended Violence Order ( other than an order which was revoked ) or an injunction ordered by the Family Court? (circle) YES NO " Many people can't circle NO to all questions. Including many politicians and high profile personalities. Maybe, even some on AAF. The owner of a Firearms Licence is often of better character than a lot of others in the community. |
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23-07-2012, 07:53 PM | #109 | |||
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If you want to continue on thinking that our current gun laws are ineffective and that people should have complete unfettered, unrestricted access to all firearms... fine. I'll just continue on in reality.
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23-07-2012, 08:16 PM | #110 | |||
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That was not what I was saying at all. I was pointing out that gun control didn't stop the criminals. It made normal people hand back their guns whilst the criminals stock piled more. The one good thing to come out of gun control is guns are used much less frequently in suicides. Too bad the suicide rate itself didn't decrease. |
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23-07-2012, 08:27 PM | #111 | |||
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23-07-2012, 08:35 PM | #112 | |||
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GSP, radar, jet aircraft, the list goes on. Or do you wish these were banned too? |
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23-07-2012, 10:19 PM | #113 | ||
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Lets ban marijuana to stop the drug trade.. Hey wait a minute.... it's already illegal.
It's the same with guns. If you think banning legal firearms is going to stop gun crime and start eternal peace, you have to be kidding. |
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23-07-2012, 11:17 PM | #114 | |||
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24-07-2012, 12:16 AM | #115 | |||
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24-07-2012, 12:29 AM | #116 | ||
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guns dont kill people.. true story....
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24-07-2012, 03:20 AM | #117 | ||||||
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If you are not saying that you think people should have complete unfettered, unrestricted access to all firearms, that would imply that you believe in gun control/restriction. But you also believe that gun control doesn't stop criminals. This begs the question: Why do you believe in gun restriction if it doesn't impact crime? The 1995-2005 NSW crime stats that you drew to my attention (which I've now had a chance to look at) don't actually support your position that gun control doesn't decrease gun crime. http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlin...file/CJB98.pdf It concludes: Quote:
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It's a very simple concept: increased availability of and access to guns and you have higher rates of gun crime. This situation is not unique to firearms... if you increase access to healthcare, you have a healthier society... if you increase access to education, people are more highly educated... if you have a 3-4 different fast food chain outlets in every suburb, we have fatter kids... and so on. Less guns = less gun crime. More guns = more gun crime. It is not good enough to take the simplistic view that the options are either ban them completely or do nothing... There is a balance between these two extremes and it's called gun control. It doesn't eliminate gun crime, but it does reduce it and it doesn't impinge *hugely* on civil liberty.
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24-07-2012, 09:35 AM | #118 | ||
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Guns don't kill duckling, ducklings kill ducklings
They're the biggest threat to your masculinity. |
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24-07-2012, 09:45 AM | #119 | |||
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i answered no to all them, does that mean i can have a gun? i dont think anyone wants that !!!! |
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24-07-2012, 09:53 AM | #120 | ||
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Any one read about the Martin Bryant conspiracy?
Makes for very good reading. |
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