Alright AFF, lets lower the road toll...: Solutions - Page 4

Trevor 57 · 06-12-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XCwillo

That picture just made me realize something

Use some other means of holding powerlines up (we have touch screen phones that can do anything, you cant tell me we dont have some better way then tree trunks to hold up power lines)
Because I swear 80% are into powerpoles, on the driver/passenger side door :\
If they weren't there, the car would happily slide around and roll or something
The cost of the damage plus the frightening experience alone would scare the driver away from any speed in the future.

I have a better idea, why don't people just drive to the conditions, then it wouldn't matter what was where, or even how bad the roads are.

Franco Cozzo · 06-12-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Trev

I have a better idea, why don't people just drive to the conditions, then it wouldn't matter what was where, or even how bad the roads are.

Indeed, but thats a good excuse for the government not to repair roads, I'd like my 3 cents a litre from the Vic State and around 50 cents a litre excise and + 10% GST on top of those two on fuel to at least buy me a good road to drive on, correct?

Unfortunately, what I have is a potholed, low grade piece of crap, which I'd prefer to be completely dug up and left as dirt, because it seems a dirt road would be easier for my local council to look after.

**russellw** · 06-12-2010, 08:14 PM

I am only going to say this once.

There is merit in this thread and I would like to see it continue. Therefore the next person (and any subsequent people) who breach the site T&C by making personal attacks on another member for their opinion will find themselves with 24 hours to reconsider their ways.

Russ

XCwillo · 06-12-2010, 09:15 PM

Please stop trolling my thread guys
kthxbye

Now onto underground powerlines.
That's an idea that would save lives, yet put a lower percentage of lives at risk as well.
If your street was popular for hoons and they took out all the powerpoles to avoid any major tragedy, and you where worried about the car hitting your house, you could easily just plant a few thick trunked hedges around or just make a little 3 brick high stack under/behind your fence. It wouldn't stop some cars that where going insane speeds and rolling into your yard but it would stop the others that would otherwise be destroyed by powerlines

XR6TCraig · 06-12-2010, 09:17 PM

There are some good ideas here as well as some that are a little impracitcal.

While in theory, not letting people drive until 26 seems fine, this isn't practical for a fair % of the population. Neither is attending a track to do an advanced driver training course, 1000klm or more from a track.

My thoughts on this subject is are as follows. The Federal government should take over the road system out of the states hands, then research what other modern western civilizations are doing well and adopt the same principles. At the present time they seem to be going against the trend in many of these countries. This isn't rocket science though and I don't see the point in trying to re-invent the wheel.

This means increasing driver training to the same levels as the Germans, Danes, or whoever it is found does the whole licencing, driver training thing the best. Research whoever has the best driving standards and road toll stats in the world and steal their text books on licencing and road design! If this means annual inspections of vehicles, and skill evaluations of drivers every 5 years then so be it if this is what it takes.

It might cost you, the road user, $5K to get your licence under a system like this, but if its the only way you will get your licence those who really want or need it will find a way to get it, and it will sure as hell be valued and appreciate once you have it instead of regarding it lightly, as most do at present. This should be reflected in your driving and roadcraft, and general attitude to road use, unless you are a complete moron.

It also means the road system would need to have a huge overhaul. Spend the damm money and improve the road system. Multi-laned hwys all around the country with realistic speed limits so that people don't fall asleep, the latest and greatest barriers to prevent head ons and drifting off the roads and into trees and the best practice in road surfaces and road design. Modern services facilities, rest areas, adequate shoulders also need to be designed into the system.

Some will say that this will cost a fortune, and it will. But remember that this is a government that has spent billions of tax payer $$ on hand outs so you could spend $900 at your nearest Harvey Normans on products made in China, for roof insulation to appease the green vote, and over priced school canteens during the GFC. Also remember that the price will never be cheaper than it is now and that this work will need to be done eventually anyway with our ever increasing population.

flappist · 06-12-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Trev

I have a better idea, why don't people just drive to the conditions, then it wouldn't matter what was where, or even how bad the roads are.

What a good idea.

They could even put up road signs that say EXACTLY that.

Of course there is only one sign that says EXACTLY that.

The one in my avatar (//).

rusty_ · 07-12-2010, 01:24 AM

i did a john bowe drivers course today at sandown raceway. good reminder to be aware of the dangers and oddly enough RACV are teaching people the wrong things.

and stats show that cops are worse/higher risk drivers then 18-25yros believe it or not haha $20million in damaged police vehicles last year o.O

Trevor 57 · 07-12-2010, 07:06 AM

If Governments and vehicle manufacturers took the whole OHS 'Risk Management' approach then the outcomes of vehicle and road design would be a lot different.

When there is a dodgey machine that keeps injuring workers, then all stops are pulled out to make it safe, why can't the same approach be taken with car and road design.

As a person who started driving in the early 70's, car and road design have come a long way.

We might be critical of our cars these days, but they are significantly safer now than the stuff that was produced in the early days.

Obvious stuff like airbags, seat belts, etc, but also the not so obvious stuff like built in crumple zones that bend the dar in crashes in certain places to ensure occupant safety, also toughened safety glass, plastic soft dashes, blind spot indicators, following distance monitors, (go check out the new Benz's for some samples) etc.

But it all costs money, car manufacturers can build a completly safe car, that when it hits an immoveable object then the occupants are not hurt, but not too many could afford to buy it.

Governments have much to balance, lots of work has been done on improving roads, Australia is a big country with a realtively small paying population, so balancing the books is not easy, it would be nice to have autobahns, but who is going to pay? Have you seen the 24 hour emergency services that operate at selected spots along Autobahns, Doctors, Ambulances, Nurses, Helicopters, etc, who is going to pay.

Freeways are the best we can do on major roads, and they are a shyte load safer than the roads I grew up with, not many head-ons which were common when I was 18.

in 1973, in Victoria, the road toll was 1034, now it reaches 300+, that is significantly lower than 30 odd years ago, so stuff is working. Now we have 1000 Nation wide, a big difference.

mrbaxr6t · 07-12-2010, 07:12 AM

raise the legal drinking age to 21 - think about this one fellow AFF people...

Trevor 57 · 07-12-2010, 09:36 AM

This is quite a good idea, it seperates drinking from driving, young folk get a couple of years driving under their belts before we add alcohol into the mix.

Just to be a bit more controversial, I also believe the law should allow ZERO alcohol in peoples systems, then people are really clear about how much they can drink before they drive.

Smoke Pursuit · 07-12-2010, 10:00 AM

I havent read this thread yet so if i make some points already made i appologise.

In QLD we need the following things to lower the road toll.

A) After a car reaches an age of 5 years it should have to have a pink slip inspection carried out by DOT. Same goes for RWC, they should be done by DOT as well as I reckon atleast 30% of the cars in QLD are registered but arent roadworthy...

B) Keep Left.. They need to put more emphasis on keep left unless overtaking. The amount of road rage and lane changing caused by lunatics that don't keep left is frightening.

C) P Platers, ban them from driving after 8 pm at night, and make every single one of them complete a defensive driving course in their FIRST car. No point in putting them in a brand new Hyundai I30 if they drive a 1992 Corrolla.

D) Make new cars for young drivers GST and stamp duty exempt, therefore giving parents and youngsters a reward for buying new / safe cars through making them more affordable. I know this will get bashed about but Id rather see my 17 year old son or daughter in a car with DSC, side airbags and ABS and a few grand wont be the difference, but its still a good incentive.

E) Heavy Vehicles - In the test book the government also need to put a section on dealing with Heavy Vehicles, that is how to overtake them, how not to overtake them when they are turning, how not to pull infront of them at a set of lights etc. Drivers of all ages unless they have driven a truck have no idea or concept about what it takes. They think its like driving a big car, sorry but it isn't.

F) Ban Alcohol full stop.. get rid of .05 and make it 0. Theres too many people who think they are under the legal limit driving on a regular basis when they are infact over.

Theres plenty more we could do but at the end of the day people will still die on the roads through their on stupidity, no amount of education or law enforcement will ever get rid of it.

Has anyone seen the new Ice Road Truckers series called IRT Deadliest roads?? based in India, makes you appreciate our roads here really!!

MAD · 07-12-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rusty_

i did a john bowe drivers course today at sandown raceway. good reminder to be aware of the dangers and oddly enough RACV are teaching people the wrong things.

and stats show that cops are worse/higher risk drivers then 18-25yros believe it or not haha $20million in damaged police vehicles last year o.O

I remember my brother telling me about the AAMI driving course he did ages ago. Their approach to an emergency stop was lock the brakes and hold the steering wheel straight. I reckon they might have even suggested to close your eyes...haha.

I've done 3 John Bowe courses (drive to survive, advanced driving and Hi performance driving) The first two were fantastic the guys were very sensible and everything they taught was about maintaining control of your car in an emergency, not about how to control a slide but how to avoid a slide.
Actually their constant advice on the day was if you lose control, maybe have a quick go at gaining control, but it's always best to admit defeat and jump on the brakes and wait for it to come to a stop. Works best in non-abs cars but I think the principal still applies.

Smoke Pursuit · 07-12-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MAD

Actually their constant advice on the day was if you lose control, maybe have a quick go at gaining control, but it's always best to admit defeat and jump on the brakes and wait for it to come to a stop. Works best in non-abs cars but I think the principal still applies.

Losing control and braking isn't always the answer, especially in a non ABS equiped car!! If you start to lose control you should back off the power but try and save it, hitting the brakes reduces your control which could mean ending up in a tree or ditch upside down...

Some of these driver training days aren't worth a cup of cold water and are invented to make money through having a few HSV / FPV Wayne Kers do some skiddies in controlled conditions. If anything they provide some of these fools with the attitude that they now have a licence to do it on the road, just because they now have the same skill as John Bowe.

Defensive driving courses are what people should be relying upon, not performance drive days!!

Trevor 57 · 07-12-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MAD

I remember my brother telling me about the AAMI driving course he did ages ago. Their approach to an emergency stop was lock the brakes and hold the steering wheel straight. I reckon they might have even suggested to close your eyes...haha.

I am not saying that an individual trainer didn't say that, but I was one of the people involved in the development and roll-out of the AAMI courses across Australia, I played only a small role, mostly to do with the content, but also trainer competencies.

Being told that, is/wasn't part of the curriculum back then I can assure you and I can't imagine it would be part of the curriculum now.

Trevor 57 · 07-12-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Losing control and braking isn't always the answer, especially in a non ABS equiped car!! If you start to lose control you should back off the power but try and save it, hitting the brakes reduces your control which could mean ending up in a tree or ditch upside down...

Some of these driver training days aren't worth a cup of cold water and are invented to make money through having a few HSV / FPV Wayne Kers do some skiddies in controlled conditions. If anything they provide some of these fools with the attitude that they now have a licence to do it on the road, just because they now have the same skill as John Bowe.

Defensive driving courses are what people should be relying upon, not performance drive days!!

Great advice Dash, I have been saying the same thing for years, when I was doing advanced driver training, we put very little creedance on the skid pan, we mostly focused on improving drivers skills and knowledge in real live traffic, focussing on following distances, full awareness of everything that is going on around you, etc.

Skid pans are great for getting your jolly's off, but has little relevance to driving down Flinders St in Melbourne.

Our beliefs were that it is far better to avoid getting into a dangerous situation then learning how to control it once you are there, the old "prevention is better than the cure" theory

MAD · 07-12-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Losing control and braking isn't always the answer, especially in a non ABS equiped car!! If you start to lose control you should back off the power but try and save it, hitting the brakes reduces your control which could mean ending up in a tree or ditch upside down...

The reasoning behind the brake lockup solution is that you will maintain a straight line from that point onward. No matter the way the car is facing, if all wheels are locked it will continue in the direction of the force of the car.
It avoids getting into a tank slapper that could whip you around into a tree or a pole.

Thats why it works best on a non-ABS car, because the wheels will lockup and the car will continue straight, where as an ABS equipped car will maintain some traction which could still redirect the car.

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Some of these driver training days aren't worth a cup of cold water and are invented to make money through having a few HSV / FPV Wayne Kers do some skiddies in controlled conditions. If anything they provide some of these fools with the attitude that they now have a licence to do it on the road, just because they now have the same skill as John Bowe.

Defensive driving courses are what people should be relying upon, not performance drive days!!

DTS and Advanced Driving were both defensive courses, but Adv Driving mentioned some more about car control, still nothing about doing 'skids'.

The Hipo drive day was around the race track at Calder. And again there was nothing about 'skids'. It was all 110% serious driving. It had to be if you didn't want to put your car in the wall.

I think a lot of people have the wrong idea about these driving courses, and perhaps should attend one and see what they are really like.

Trevor 57 · 07-12-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MAD

The reasoning behind the brake lockup solution is that you will maintain a straight line from that point onward. No matter the way the car is facing, if all wheels are locked it will continue in the direction of the force of the car.
It avoids getting into a tank slapper that could whip you around into a tree or a pole.

Thats why it works best on a non-ABS car, because the wheels will lockup and the car will continue straight, where as an ABS equipped car will maintain some traction which could still redirect the car..

Too true

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Originally Posted by MAD

DTS and Advanced Driving were both defensive courses, but Adv Driving mentioned some more about car control, still nothing about doing 'skids'.

The Hipo drive day was around the race track at Calder. And again there was nothing about 'skids'. It was all 110% serious driving. It had to be if you didn't want to put your car in the wall.

I think a lot of people have the wrong idea about these driving courses, and perhaps should attend one and see what they are really like.

Been there, done that, people are better off to learn good driving skills out in real traffic - full stop.

Race track are a protected area.

Smoke Pursuit · 07-12-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MAD

The reasoning behind the brake lockup solution is that you will maintain a straight line from that point onward. No matter the way the car is facing, if all wheels are locked it will continue in the direction of the force of the car.
It avoids getting into a tank slapper that could whip you around into a tree or a pole.

Thats why it works best on a non-ABS car, because the wheels will lockup and the car will continue straight, where as an ABS equipped car will maintain some traction which could still redirect the car.

DTS and Advanced Driving were both defensive courses, but Adv Driving mentioned some more about car control, still nothing about doing 'skids'.

The Hipo drive day was around the race track at Calder. And again there was nothing about 'skids'. It was all 110% serious driving. It had to be if you didn't want to put your car in the wall.

I think a lot of people have the wrong idea about these driving courses, and perhaps should attend one and see what they are really like.

Ive done several courses myself, so no need to educate me.

I really laugh at the locking up the brakes idea and having no control, when you start to lose control the car usually steps out to one side (on the highway not on a skid pan), which usually means your heading towards the side of the road, not straight ahead. Whats usually on the side of the road?? Trees!!! Bit hard to redirect the car when you lock it up and its heading towards a tree or a culvert.

Atleast if you power on you keep your steering control and if you perfect the power on technique you will gain traction again and have half a chance of saving yourself.

But then again it like ABS, some people same slam it on others say use ur finger on the pedal and you will stop quicker!! It comes down to each situation I guess, you do what you do based on the merits of that situation.

LTDHO · 07-12-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

In Australia we need the following things to lower the road toll.

A) After a car reaches an age of 5 years it should have to have a pink slip inspection carried out by DOT. Same goes for RWC, they should be done by DOT as well as I reckon at least 30% of the cars in QLD are registered but aren’t roadworthy...

Problem is the amount of staff required to do these tests to a high standard.

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B) Keep Left.. They need to put more emphasis on keep left unless overtaking. The amount of road rage and lane changing caused by lunatics that don't keep left is frightening.

Agreed!

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C) P Platers, ban them from driving after 8 pm at night, and make every single one of them complete a defensive driving course in their FIRST car. No point in putting them in a brand new Hyundai I30 if they drive a 1992 Corolla.

P platers work odd hours, so 8pm wouldn’t be practical. I believe in the defensive course not advanced.

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

D) Make new cars for young drivers GST and stamp duty exempt, therefore giving parents and youngsters a reward for buying new / safe cars through making them more affordable. I know this will get bashed about but Id rather see my 17 year old son or daughter in a car with DSC, side airbags and ABS and a few grand wont be the difference, but its still a good incentive.

I would have to be restricted like the LPG otherwise, kids will be buying other family cheap cars. Sad if they share enthusiasm for old cars!

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

E) Heavy Vehicles - In the test book the government also need to put a section on dealing with Heavy Vehicles, that is how to overtake them, how not to overtake them when they are turning, how not to pull in front of them at a set of lights etc. Drivers of all ages unless they have driven a truck have no idea or concept about what it takes. They think its like driving a big car, sorry but it isn't.

Agreed 100%

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F) Ban Alcohol full stop.. get rid of .05 and make it 0. There’s too many people who think they are under the legal limit driving on a regular basis when they are in fact over.

Disagree 100%

Driver awareness is a must.

GreenR · 07-12-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

C) P Platers, ban them from driving after 8 pm at night

Unlikely to ever happen. Jobs, school, uni, weekends etc

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D) Make new cars for young drivers GST and stamp duty exempt, therefore giving parents and youngsters a reward for buying new / safe cars through making them more affordable.

Definitely agree. Government already takes enough money from us through other revenue raisers.

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F) Ban Alcohol full stop.. get rid of .05 and make it 0. Theres too many people who think they are under the legal limit driving on a regular basis when they are infact over.

Would decrease alcohol related accidents for sure. But like C) unlikely to be enforced and unrealistic

Smoke Pursuit · 07-12-2010, 01:28 PM

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Unlikely to ever happen. Jobs, school, uni, weekends etc

Well then perhaps their parents need to take some responsibility and keep driving them till they are of a mature age.. Theres just too many P plate incidents for it to be ignored.

On another note im sick of having P Platers fly past me in bomby unroadworthy cars, the police need to crack down on these idiots because im sick of having to risk my life every time I get in the car because of their blatent disregard for safety, either due to lack of experience or through inability to keep a car roadworthy. If you can't afford to maintain a car, simply don't have one.

DivHunter · 07-12-2010, 02:38 PM

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So that immediately renders you immune from any laws that would suspend your license? Huh?

I run my own business, employ 3-4 people and rely on my car and license to oversee my business. Guess what happens if I do the wrong thing.

DRIVING IS A PRIVELEDGE. It can be revoked.

Just about, it's called undue hardship or some such legal term.

There's also the guy in his Bentley that got out of a speeding charge because his car was built to go that fast.

04redxr8 · 07-12-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairmont99

Just about, it's called undue hardship or some such legal term.

There's also the guy in his Bentley that got out of a speeding charge because his car was built to go that fast.

I think his lawyer had a lot to do with it, Oh and are you talking about John Singleton?

bingoTE50 · 07-12-2010, 08:35 PM

Well holiday periods are a recipe for road accidents.Unfortunately ,people do not take the term ,rest-revive-survive ,seriously enough .Another that sticks in my mind is ,do not be dead for a deadline !!
There are accidents and there are crashes .Crashes are the avoidable ones .
I like driver training , I have done some courses and I got a benefit from them even after twenty years of driving. So a big tick for advanced driver training.
Attitude adjustment is the key. I encourage all parents to say to their kids ,if ever you are uncomfortable in a car with a friend or anyone driving ,DO NOT sit in silence hoping you will not crash ,tell them to stop and let you out if they are not willing to slow down . My eighteen year old did it with one of his mates , the driver slowed and he was embarrassed because he was not impressing my son by his actions.
Often the passenger hold the key ,and invariably bare the brunt of the consequence .
And as Big Trev has said ,we are winning the battle through various means ,I mean who can not forget that beautiful Blonde girl in the ads who is in a wheelchair ....breaks my heart that does ....

oranpark addict · 07-12-2010, 09:02 PM

In response my opinion as a P plater.

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

A) After a car reaches an age of 5 years it should have to have a pink slip inspection carried out by DOT. Same goes for RWC, they should be done by DOT as well as I reckon atleast 30% of the cars in QLD are registered but arent roadworthy...

Yep really good point and it is ridiculous this isn't enforced.

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B) Keep Left.. They need to put more emphasis on keep left unless overtaking. The amount of road rage and lane changing caused by lunatics that don't keep left is frightening.

I agree this causes huge frustration to most drivers. As a P plater on express ways and the like it is daunting when someone in the right hand lane is 'hogging' and then lunatics behind them mve in to the left hand lane and try to intimidate you to speed up, so they can get past the goose in the right hand lane that thinks they have a right to enforce laws. Also trucks can be a massive problem tailgating. Doing 25 odd kmh less than a truck and having it tailgate you to the extent that I can only see he's grill is not good.

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C) P Platers, ban them from driving after 8 pm at night, and make every single one of them complete a defensive driving course in their FIRST car. No point in putting them in a brand new Hyundai I30 if they drive a 1992 Corrolla.

Your first point is not practical at all. However, I strongly support driving courses and especially in the car you drive.

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

D) Make new cars for young drivers GST and stamp duty exempt, therefore giving parents and youngsters a reward for buying new / safe cars through making them more affordable. I know this will get bashed about but Id rather see my 17 year old son or daughter in a car with DSC, side airbags and ABS and a few grand wont be the difference, but its still a good incentive.

This would be helpful.

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

E) Heavy Vehicles - In the test book the government also need to put a section on dealing with Heavy Vehicles, that is how to overtake them, how not to overtake them when they are turning, how not to pull infront of them at a set of lights etc. Drivers of all ages unless they have driven a truck have no idea or concept about what it takes. They think its like driving a big car, sorry but it isn't.

This is very important and not enough emphasis can be placed on learning to interact with trucks on the road.

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F) Ban Alcohol full stop.. get rid of .05 and make it 0. Theres too many people who think they are under the legal limit driving on a regular basis when they are infact over.

I once again don't believe this will be popular especially considering how ingraned drinking is in our culture. I believe a .02 limit would be a reasonable and realistic target.

XCwillo · 07-12-2010, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

C) P Platers, ban them from driving after 8 pm at night, and make every single one of them complete a defensive driving course in their FIRST car. No point in putting them in a brand new Hyundai I30 if they drive a 1992 Corrolla.

I see what you mean from that one, but i'd hate it if it where to come into effect. It would be an example of making everyone suffer for the minorities mistakes.

If it was an 8pm ban on P platers who have had previous offenses committed after the hours of 8pm, then i'd be for it.

Not only do i work at night time (as well as the majority of P platers), but i've learnt how to drive in high powered vehicles, i've passed the test with flying colors, and then only to be rewarded with people telling me I can't do certain things because most people my age are too stupid to do the right thing.
Plus not being able to participate in night cruises with a few of the other ford fella's would be a bit of a downer!

Coyote mk3 · 07-12-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XCwillo

I see what you mean from that one, but i'd hate it if it where to come into effect. It would be an example of making everyone suffer for the minorities mistakes.

If it was an 8pm ban on P platers who have had previous offenses committed after the hours of 8pm, then i'd be for it.

Not only do i work at night time (as well as the majority of P platers), but i've learnt how to drive in high powered vehicles, i've passed the test with flying colors, and then only to be rewarded with people telling me I can't do certain things because most people my age are too stupid to do the right thing.
Plus not being able to participate in night cruises with a few of the other ford fella's would be a bit of a downer!

Completely agree...
Apparently I have already given you rep for something

bingoTE50 · 07-12-2010, 09:44 PM

Unfortunately P platers are highlighted in the media and statistics show they are more likely to be involved in a crash .
Many on here forget that they were once P platers as I was 30 years ago. My driving test involved driving around the block,reversing in to a driveway,and answering three questions.When driving to the Police Station for my test ,this was the first time I had been on a road -the Pacific Highway . My old man was too much of a tight *** to give me any lessons , luckily I had practiced with a mate on his property.
Now I wonder how many of you older blokes did the same test as me ...

XCwillo · 07-12-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote mk3

Completely agree...
Apparently I have already given you rep for something

Ya' damn right ya have! ;D

Trevor 57 · 08-12-2010, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bingoTE50

Unfortunately P platers are highlighted in the media and statistics show they are more likely to be involved in a crash .
Many on here forget that they were once P platers as I was 30 years ago. My driving test involved driving around the block,reversing in to a driveway,and answering three questions.When driving to the Police Station for my test ,this was the first time I had been on a road -the Pacific Highway . My old man was too much of a tight *** to give me any lessons , luckily I had practiced with a mate on his property.
Now I wonder how many of you older blokes did the same test as me ...

I did, on Monday February 10th 1975, at Cowes, Phillip Island, my father was the local policeman, the only difference for me was that I was taken to Dave Cook's service station, Dave owned a tow truck and I had a first hand look at a car that 3 people were killed in on the Saturday night before, I still remember the smell.