AdBlue Shortage

[Captain Stubing]

My wife works at a Hyundai dealership. A service manager’s son dropped in to pick up a 20 litre drum of Adblue, as Ford would only provide 1 litre for the service of his Everest. Castrol don’t seem to have a supply issue for Hyundai in Brisbane.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by smoo

But your post kinda reminded me, has anyone heard from/talked to roKWiz?
He’s been absent lately.

I last heard from him (text) on 26^th of November. Going steadily on his final booking for the year.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Ballance agri has just swapped their Kapuni site to making adblue instead of urea made a million litres in 3 weeks which is a years supply for the local market (nz) ...so i guess they could just keep on making it ?

Wouldn't the still have to make Urea and then blend an AdBlue solution from the Urea...or is their another Urea plan in NZ?

[Franco Cozzo]

Lets pay above odds and air freight it from the Middle East and prop up dictatorships committing human rights atrocities instead of supporting, strengthening our ties and buying from the friendly little country next to us with Urea refining capabilities

The whole adblue 'shortage' and losing our refining capabilities should raise an alarm with maybe we shouldn't be applying free market capitalism economic principles to critical infrastructure, we lose all our capability because China can do it cheaper, until they decide to start/continue/deepen a trade war with us because we called them out on their bull****.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Lets pay above odds and air freight it from the Middle East and prop up dictatorships committing human rights atrocities instead of supporting, strengthening our ties and buying from the friendly little country next to us with Urea refining capabilities

The whole adblue 'shortage' and losing our refining capabilities should raise an alarm with maybe we shouldn't be applying free market capitalism economic principles to critical infrastructure, we lose all our capability because China can do it cheaper, until they decide to start/continue/deepen a trade war with us because we called them out on their bull****.

Yep another lesson not to rely on countries like China Russia, India and be self sufficient you wonder how many times our countries have to be reminded ?

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Wouldn't the still have to make Urea and then blend an AdBlue solution from the Urea...or is their another Urea plan in NZ?

Google says they make urea from the natural gas plant in kapuni in Taranaki they make approximately 260000 tonnes of it a year for fertilizer then as said before they make it into adblue they mix it with ammonia

There's been several price rises lately and there excuse has been the price of imported materials so wether they import some of the product or wether they're just gouging the farmers because milk solids payout are at record levels ? Probably the latter everyone usually wants a slice of the pie when farmers are doing well

[slowsnake]

I just had a full blood count, liver and kidney function tests, my Urea content is high, so I could if I wanted just p.is in the adBlue tank and probably get away with it!.....

But Indonesia has agreed to supply Australia with the stuff anyway, so there really is no issue of shortages, we could make it here in Australia, only need methane or natural gas to produce all the Urea we want, with our natural gas resources we could supply the world with adBlue 10× over.

Selective Catalytic Reduction reduces harmful pollutants getting into the atmosphere, adBlue is only 32.5% high purity synthetic Urea and deionised water!
Hence needing a Catalyst!...its all very simple, even for an old broken down boilermaker like me!.lol.......

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Google says they make urea from the natural gas plant in kapuni in Taranaki they make approximately 260000 tonnes of it a year for fertilizer then as said before they make it into adblue they mix it with ammonia

There's been several price rises lately and there excuse has been the price of imported materials so wether they import some of the product or wether they're just gouging the farmers because milk solids payout are at record levels ? Probably the latter everyone usually wants a slice of the pie when farmers are doing well

My information source tells me the Urea in adBlue is a high-purity synthetically manufactured Urea and deionised water?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

I just had a full blood count, liver and kidney function tests, my Urea content is high, so I could if I wanted just p.is in the adBlue tank and probably get away with it!.....

But Indonesia has agreed to supply Australia with the stuff anyway, so there really is no issue of shortages, we could make it here in Australia, only need methane or natural gas to produce all the Urea we want, with our natural gas resources we could supply the world with adBlue 10× over.

Selective Catalytic Reduction reduces harmful pollutants getting into the atmosphere, adBlue is only 32.5% high purity synthetic Urea and deionised water!
Hence needing a Catalyst!...its all very simple, even for an old broken down boilermaker like me!.lol.......

Except for a country that is the largest exporter of natural gas you would think we would have reasonably cheap domestic prices ...but we don't hence why Incitec-Pivot earlier decided to close their QLD plant...maybe now those ROI numbers have shifted back in favour of staying open.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Except for a country that is the largest exporter of natural gas you would think we would have reasonably cheap domestic prices ...but we don't hence why Incitec-Pivot earlier decided to close their QLD plant...maybe now those ROI numbers have shifted back in favour of staying open.

The reason China has told everyone (I'm sure what they say and what the truth aren't necessarily the same thing) they are stopping urea exports is to prevent huge price increases to their farmers for the price of fertiliser.

Where as with us we seem to be happy to shaft our own people for the sake of gas exports.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

The Euro 6 emissions legislation states that from July 2018, all new diesel cars sold in Australia must use the adBlue system to meet required levels of emissions. If you own a diesel car that requires adBlue, your cars engine is programmed not to start if the diesel exhaust fluid tank is empty!

Ford diesel vehicles including the Ford Everest, Endura and 2.0L Transit and Transit Customs now require the use of adBlue.

I had read that, and thought that was the case. but evidence suggest that there are plenty on 2018 or latter Diesels sold without Adblue.

This includes the Police diesel BMWs.
& no Toyotas have it either

see link above I posted.

[DK30RB]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I had read that, and thought that was the case. but evidence suggest that there are plenty on 2018 or latter Diesels sold without Adblue.

This includes the Police diesel BMWs.
& no Toyotas have it either

see link above I posted.

Mine's a 2019 - no adblue. Police diesel BMW's - no ad blue requirement either.

Maybe if BMW update the 5 series to a new model, they will require ad blue, at this stage it doesn't need it for the 3 litre.

[Vesper Martini]

crisis averted. QLD fertilizer company Incitec to make AdBlue from January
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...isis/100713728




Id still like to know why the current Everest had to have Adblue, whilst there are plenty of newer cars that did not.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

crisis averted. QLD fertilizer company Incitec to make AdBlue from January
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...isis/100713728




Id still like to know why the current Everest had to have Adblue, whilst there are plenty of newer cars that did not.

There are a few ways to reduce emissions, and different companies have different approaches on how to do it. Adblue is easier, but probably more expensive. So it's a cost thing probably. Have to add in variables like what are their targets in terms of power/torque/fuel economy etc. Using adblue might allow them to run a more aggressive tune, or target better economy. It's a juggling act, and each company takes a different approach to get their end result.

So many variables as to why each company takes a different approach.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

crisis averted. QLD fertilizer company Incitec to make AdBlue from January
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...isis/100713728




Id still like to know why the current Everest had to have Adblue, whilst there are plenty of newer cars that did not.

besides what boss said
commercials and 4wds fall under different (lesser) emission requirements
and then there is the market the vehicles being made for ie if there is a market for an adblue veriant they may only make that variant rather than two models even tho a non adblue veriant would be allowed here

what I find funny my self is the lack of lpg/lng tech running vehicles as an emission friendly alternative , we instead use it to make a product to help reduce emissions in vehicles

I'm still also lost as to why fed cov put a stop on an adblue plant that was slatted to be built a few years back in the north of wa in an area where there's gas mines

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by wodahs

what I find funny my self is the lack of lpg/lng tech running vehicles as an emission friendly alternative , we instead use it to make a product to help reduce emissions in vehicles

Indeed LPG injection to the diesel would make them run cleaner, with the benefit of extra performance.

A technology already in use before adblue came along..

[Tonz]

Call me cynical but I find it interesting that Pivot appear to have called the shots on this, stating earlier in year they are quitting urea (possibly) knowing full well what was going to happen, now they announce the fed gov is supporting them (financially) hmmm

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by Captain Stubing

My wife works at a Hyundai dealership. A service manager’s son dropped in to pick up a 20 litre drum of Adblue

Any idea of the part number? none of my sources at hyundai know anything about it

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

Any idea of the part number? none of my sources at hyundai know anything about it

She says they get it from their Castrol supplier. The Castrol site recommends WSS-M99C130-A for Ford Everest, searching that comes up with Sparesbox selling a Penrite version as well.

LINK

DISCLAIMER - I don’t own a diesel and information passed on is hearsay.

[mad2]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Indeed LPG injection to the diesel would make them run cleaner, with the benefit of extra performance.

A technology already in use before adblue came along..

uncle uses it on his.

[LG17]

Why don't they just manufacture the urea they need in our Houses of Parliament?
We'd never run out.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by LG17

Why don't they just manufacture the urea they need in our Houses of Parliament?
We'd never run out.

Probably because the alcohol content would be too high...

[LG17]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Probably because the alcohol content would be too high...

Surely they could boil that out.

[Franco Cozzo]

Water methanol injection works well on diesel engines to get a more complete combustion as well, works wonders on DPF and keeps the intake manifold clean from EGR related gunk too.

I messed around a bit with it on my Focus, was worth 7KW at the fronts with an undersized nozzle too. My car already has a large FMIC on it so that wasn't just from reducing air intake temperatures.

One imagines AdBlue is more palatable to engineers and end users than a 51/49 mix of distilled water and methanol though.

The last production car to use WMI was the Oldsmobile Jetfire

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/old...-a-fatal-flaw/

Of course people ran it out then caused issues

Was also used in planes in WWII.

[eb2fairmont]

Originally Posted by LG17

Surely they could boil that out.

Is that why the nationals Leander looks like a cooked lobster

[Terror_Tree]

Originally Posted by Tonz

Call me cynical but I find it interesting that Pivot appear to have called the shots on this, stating earlier in year they are quitting urea (possibly) knowing full well what was going to happen, now they announce the fed gov is supporting them (financially) hmmm

Trust me Tonz, this company is not that smart.

[Franco Cozzo]

Friend in SA is telling me Adblue is $2.29/L in Port Wakefield in SA at the moment.

Its still not available at our local servo at work which caters to commercial vehicles.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by smoo

I hope that did a couple of laps through town to get some millennial and gen Z enviro tears flowing.

But your post kinda reminded me, has anyone heard from/talked to roKWiz?
He’s been absent lately.

Howdy, was working away where there was no interwebs or adblue near my trucks.

[jaydee]

Yes, I'd noticed too, welcome back.

[DRU842]

Here's local diesel fuel additive alternate: https://hydrogen2power.com.au/