GT-F vs GTS LSA

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by rancidpunx

Cars did not sell out in 4 days. In fact there is still a couple available brand new right now. Just expect to pay way over the top. Your RRP argument does not work either. Most people would have some change from their GTF purchase if they had bought a GTS. That is whats happening in the real world rather than on paper. It was a good argument for FPV when the cars were actually cheaper but now its just silly making that statement because its a false. Yes some guys have got cars at $85-$90k but then you can do that deal on a GTS as well. No personal opinions, that's just how it is. However for me, the GTF for the event and occasion, for the better car with no passion and simply comparing the 2, its the GTS.

OK .... I exaggerated by a few days ... a week or so? The point I threw up is that they sold damn quick ...... AND at RRP which is $19,000 LESS than GTS RRP.

That is a fact actually and no, I didn't make that up even if you think it was a silly comment. This is the price that both FORD & HSV suggested they sell at based on profit/loss etc. What happens in real world after that? Yes, things can change. Ultimately the public decide on what the market price is. I know this is all pretty basic stuff but just thought it needed mentioning.

While MOST GT-F's sold at recommended prices as proved by comments in other threads, the market then decided that the GT-F was actually worth ABOVE the RRP for the remaining few.

Meanwhile ....... the market decided that the RRP for the GTS was too much and prices have DECREASED. This is how the market works.

Soooooo ..... the market decided the GT-F is worth more than RRP while the market decided the GTS isn't worth the RRP?

Also ...... on paper, the GTS is the better car. If we all like to chat in the school yard on which is better because one has a higher number on its bum or is newer or a journo says so, well then it must be better.

In reality ..... Personally, NO?

There is more to life in buying a car than numbers in a magazine or spec sheet or the amount of buttons they have on a dash. Depending of course on what people want out of a car. If looks are important, which they are to me, I would pick a Camry over the VF ..... for absolute truth! I dont care that something will beat the GT by poofteenth of a second? So no ...... 'I' don't think the GTS is the ducks guts so a blanket "GTS wins" is crap! Wins what? The paper wars? To some it will be, to others its a dogs breakfast.

Originally Posted by mcnews

Racetrack.... Nobody that lives in the real world (okay well a few trundle around a track at times, probably 2 or 3 might actually have a proper go) .....etc

Originally Posted by mcnews

For sure, but a lot of people would still prefer and buy the GT-F as that is what their heart wants. They are both complete piles of snot compared to a 911 or something proper good, but at the end of the day that doesn't really matter to people that buy these things :-)

As above and couldn't have said it better ...... the heart goes along way towards making the right decision. If someone just likes having the newest and bestest regardless of other factors, go for it.

In ways, choosing the GT-F is having best and includes emotion.

ONE ... because it is a FORD and TWO .... because it is the last, latest and greatest GT .... and that to so many people is all that matters. TO others, sure, it isnt enough.

Yep ..... GTS is great for a HSV and Holden, but the GT-F is the best Ford produced in Australia .... and that is saying something ... especially with what has been made before it. I am sure there are some who disagree that it isnt the best GT ..... but that is no probs.

[Chopped]

If HSV is clever, they will make a limited final edition of the GTS (GTS R maybe).
Doesn't need much done to it as seen by the example set by the GTF over a standard GT. Just a few tweaks and maybe some nice stripes.
I'm sure they will sell out just as quick as the last GTs ever made.
There is something about the word "final / finished / no more ever" that makes people/collectors want to have one.

Are we really talking about which make sells quicker as something to brag about ?? really ?

Both makes will be sorely missed and that time is not far away.
tick tick tick tick....gone

What a great era we got to witness.

[Auslandau]

Don't think anyone is bragging as such on what sold quicker .... it is just a point being made. Get a little annoyed though when people say something is better only because of what written on a spec sheet. Lots of cars have 'win' written all over them without being the fastest and newest.

Agree that the saddest part is these will be the last times we discuss (argue?) about what is faster from an Australian made point of view.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Don't think anyone is bragging as such on what sold quicker .... it is just a point being made. Get a little annoyed though when people say something is better only because of what written on a spec sheet. Lots of cars have 'win' written all over them without being the fastest and newest.

Agree that the saddest part is these will be the last times we discuss (argue?) about what is faster from an Australian made point of view.

that's it the best way too tell is to drive it yourself as much as I am annoyed about the reviews against the GT-F it is sort of sad know that an era is at it end

[PepeLePew]

A few trucks in this thread need to be backed up....car vs car keep the personal out of it.

[XBGTFGGTP]

[QUOTE=Rodge;5139170]Track times will give a better indication of on-raod ability and I think you're average enthusiast / weekend warriors driver's skills and enjoyment would be flattered by technology like adaptive / adjustable suspension, adjustable dynamic stability control, torque vectoring and the supercar sized brakes could get them out of a hole if they mis-judged a corner coming up too fast...and that's before we start talking about all the other convienience technology in the GTS and the properly bolstered seats so you're not sliding all round the place.

Technology doesn't make a better driver it simply makes an average driver think he's a race car driver. When I did Targa in my 800hp 1984 XF Falcon, (ain't no tech in her) the first cars in the paddocks were all late model tech filled cars. These drivers suddenly become Micheal Schumacher, until they take the car past the point of no return and then they don't know what to do.

[Chopped]

GT F themed Ford Forums banner/ header to join the others please......hint hint

[Neale]

The next review by Joshua Dowling.

this is my favourite quote from the write up & pretty much sums it up nicely:
"But if the crowd reaction is a guide, us motoring hacks don't know what we're talking about. Ford fans love it. And that's all that matters."



http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-revi...2#.U66CH8-KCP9




Australia's final performance car heroes pay their respects at the high temple of horsepower: Bathurst

It should never have come to this: a test drive of Australia's last ever homegrown performance cars. Once Ford's factory in Broadmeadows closes in 2016 and Holden's Elizabeth plant follows one year later, these will be the last impressions that Ford and Holden will be remembered by.

Both these cars, at the peak of their game, should be an exclamation mark for their brands and a sign of better things to come. Instead, their story will end with a full stop.

Ford and Holden sales may be at all-time lows, but there is still a solid fan base keeping the faith, even if many are driving imported cars to shuttle the family around these days. Fifty years ago these two brands represented more than half of all cars sold in Australia. Today, the Falcon and Commodore account for just three out of every 100 cars sold.

Some enthusiasts, like our friends Laurence Attard and Derry O'Donovan, have kept buying brand new Fords and Holdens even if the masses haven't. But sadly there aren't enough people like them to sustain local car manufacturing.

Back in the day, when it came to cars, we really were the lucky country. Fleet sales of the basic six-cylinder versions of the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore kept the factories running efficiently, allowing the respective performance car divisions to squeeze a V8 under the bonnet, give it a tune up, and add some other "go-fast bits" (as they're known in the vernacular), to create an instant muscle car.

In fact, you may find this hard to believe, but Australia invented the high performance sedan. It started with the Ford Falcon GT in 1967. It initially was a consolation prize. We got it because the Mustang was a huge success in the US but Ford wouldn't import it Down Under.

So the boss of Ford Australia at the time decided to use the Mustang philosophy on the locally-made Falcon sedan and a cult classic was created. It won on the track and helped Ford claw back showroom sales from Holden.

The efforts culminated with the iconic 351 GT-HO that was, at the time, the fastest sedan in the world. Yes, even faster than any BMW or Mercedes-Benz sedan of the day.

The Ford Falcon 351 GT-HO won Bathurst back-to-back in 1970 and 1971. Allan Moffat, who qualified fastest in 1972 would've won three in a row had he not out-braked himself after being pestered by a young bloke in a Holden Torana called Peter Brock.

It's now apparent that the teenagers who grew up in this era are now driving the revival in sales of V8 Holdens and Fords. Now aged in their 50s and 60s they can finally afford their dream car, except there is just one problem. Their dreams are about to taken away from them.

Which is why all 500 of the latest (and the last) Ford Falcon GT sedans were snapped up before the first one was built, let alone delivered to a showroom.

The cars were wholesaled to dealers within days, and there are about a dozen left in dealerships across Australia with names against them but with contracts still to sign.

Anyone who is having trouble getting their finances in order is going to be disappointed, because most dealers have a queue of people lining up to grab one in case someone else's order falls over. The HSV GTS, meanwhile, will keep going all the way to the end of the Holden production, some time late in 2017.

Against that backdrop, there was only one place to take these two cars: the high temple of horsepower, Bathurst. As if the mood wasn't gloomy enough, the clouds rolled in as we thundered into town. Suffice to say there would be no heroics today. At least not from us, although the photographer deserves a bravery award for enduring the chill in the Antarctic air.

These powerful machines can be a handful in the wrong hands, but thankfully Ford and Holden have made some inroads into making them idiot proof.

They may both be the most powerful ever supercharged V8s of their respective breeds, but they also have the biggest brakes fitted to a locally-made Ford or a Holden, and their stability control systems (the technology that clamps the brakes if you skid in a corner) were developed on ice. Which, given today's conditions, is definitely a good thing.

It's incredible how fast word spreads once we arrive into Australia's Motown. Two tradies followed us to the track after they saw us drive through the city centre. Others jumped on the phone to call their Ford fanatic friends. "Do you mind if I get a photo with the car?" Normally, the HSV GTS steals the spotlight. But today it's all about the Ford.

Industry pundits (including me) thought the Falcon GT-F (for "final" edition) didn't look special enough.
The only defining features are unique stripes, a coat of paint on the wheels and the "351" badges (which now refer to the engine's power rather than its size, as it did in the 1970s).

But if the crowd reaction is a guide, us motoring hacks don't know what we're talking about. Ford fans love it. And that's all that matters.

Ford also left the suspension untouched from the previous special edition Falcon GT released 18 months ago. So what we're testing here is the extra 16kW of power. Ford also fine-tuned the way the GT-F delivers its power to the road. It is, in essence, the car Ford should have built in the first place, eight years ago, when this generation Falcon came out.

But Ford couldn't afford to make the upgrade at the time because sales had already started to dive. In the end, Ford fans will have to be thankful for what they get. It's the fastest and greatest Ford Falcon GT ever. And it certainly doesn't deserve to be the last.


Verdict



Ford v Holden - which is better?

The HSV GTS has significantly more power than the Ford Falcon GT-F and, as much as Ford fans will hate to read this, is unquestionably faster in the industry-wide measurement: the 0 to 100km/h dash.

For those interested in bragging rights, the HSV GTS automatic can reach the speed limit in 4.5 seconds while best we've seen from a Ford Falcon GT-F automatic is 4.9 seconds.

A gap of 0.4 seconds may not sound like much to the uninitiated, but in the car world this is an age.

Why did we compare the times of the automatics? The manual versions might be more fun to drive, but they're slower because you lose crucial fractions of a second when changing gears.

You will read faster times for these cars elsewhere (the HSV GTS has previously done a 4.2 second dash in the hands of others) but those times were done on a drag strip which is sprayed with goo on the start line so the cars can get better traction. We test in normal (albeit closed) road conditions.

The Ford Falcon GT-F feels more secure on the road and handles better.

The HSV GTS (with magnetic particles in the suspension, the same type used by Ferrari) feels wobbly on bumpy roads. And the (electric) power steering isn't as sharp as the Ford's hydraulic set-up.

But the HSV GTS is more comfortable to sit in. The seating and steering positions can be adjusted to find the perfect fit. The Ford feels like you're sitting on a high chair.

The HSV has also benefited from a new interior; the Falcon is starting to look a little dated.

But all this is academic. A Ford fanatic is never going to buy a Holden and a Holden hero is never going to buy a Ford.


Ford Falcon GT-F
Four stars
Price: $77,990 plus on-road costs
Engine: Supercharged 5.0-litre V8
Power: 351kW and 569Nm
Transmission: Six-speed manual or six-speed automatic
0 to 100km/h: 4.9 seconds (as tested)

HSV GTS
Four and a half stars
Price: $96,990 plus on-road costs
Engine: Supercharged 6.2-litre V8
Power: 430kW and 740Nm
Transmission: Six-speed manual or six-speed automatic
0 to 100km/h: 4.5 seconds (as tested)

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by Rodge

The fact that you can't even equip one (even as an optional extra), with the GT-P seats tells you how incredibly tight things are financially with this run-out model.

I think the GTF is great but I was bloody surprised when I didn't see the GTP seats.

[Auslandau]

If a poll was done on the GT-P seats vs GT seats .... wonder what the percentage would be.

I had the opportunity to buy a GT-P for just a couple of $$ more but prefered the GT seats by far for everyday driving. If it was a weekend fun car ..... then that would have been different.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

OK .... I exaggerated by a few days ... a week or so? The point I threw up is that they sold damn quick ...... AND at RRP which is $19,000 LESS than GTS RRP.

That is a fact actually and no, I didn't make that up even if you think it was a silly comment. This is the price that both FORD & HSV suggested they sell at based on profit/loss etc. What happens in real world after that? Yes, things can change. Ultimately the public decide on what the market price is. I know this is all pretty basic stuff but just thought it needed mentioning.

While MOST GT-F's sold at recommended prices as proved by comments in other threads, the market then decided that the GT-F was actually worth ABOVE the RRP for the remaining few.

Meanwhile ....... the market decided that the RRP for the GTS was too much and prices have DECREASED. This is how the market works.

Soooooo ..... the market decided the GT-F is worth more than RRP while the market decided the GTS isn't worth the RRP?

Also ...... on paper, the GTS is the better car. If we all like to chat in the school yard on which is better because one has a higher number on its bum or is newer or a journo says so, well then it must be better.

In reality ..... Personally, NO?

There is more to life in buying a car than numbers in a magazine or spec sheet or the amount of buttons they have on a dash. Depending of course on what people want out of a car. If looks are important, which they are to me, I would pick a Camry over the VF ..... for absolute truth! I dont care that something will beat the GT by poofteenth of a second? So no ...... 'I' don't think the GTS is the ducks guts so a blanket "GTS wins" is crap! Wins what? The paper wars? To some it will be, to others its a dogs breakfast.





As above and couldn't have said it better ...... the heart goes along way towards making the right decision. If someone just likes having the newest and bestest regardless of other factors, go for it.

In ways, choosing the GT-F is having best and includes emotion.

ONE ... because it is a FORD and TWO .... because it is the last, latest and greatest GT .... and that to so many people is all that matters. TO others, sure, it isnt enough.

Yep ..... GTS is great for a HSV and Holden, but the GT-F is the best Ford produced in Australia .... and that is saying something ... especially with what has been made before it. I am sure there are some who disagree that it isnt the best GT ..... but that is no probs.

I totally understand and agree with this whole post.
And I seriously think there's something big to be gleamed by the fact that two cars with a 20k price gap.......end up selling for similiar numbers. Despite differing ages and timelines of the cars.
And yes I will go there......they just contradicted themselves for the one millionth time because apparently now the ford has the better handling and steering. seeing as not much has changed since the GT335 and Rspec came out, I'm at a loss how they come to differing opinions seemingly at will. Bunch of muppets. Nothing new tho.

For ME tho.....GTF by a magic mile. Amoung many other things(looks the greatest).....the responsible ford aus has produced a GEM in a very hard financial time. I'd have a dirty feeling if I bought a GTS knowing how much they spent on it in such a dying unprofitable market being totally supported by govco!

It scares me how good a new GT from ford would be if they knew they had backing or a bright future years ago and actually got to produce an unrestricted product

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by Joshua Dowling in the review posted by Neale above

Why did we compare the times of the automatics? The manual versions might be more fun to drive, but they're slower because you lose crucial fractions of a second when changing gears.

This statement seems to indicate that Joshua doesn't realise that GTF-001 (which I assume was the one tested) is a manual, not an automatic which is implied here.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

This statement seems to indicate that Joshua doesn't realise that GTF-001 (which I assume was the one tested) is a manual, not an automatic which is implied here.

very good point

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

I think the GTF is great but I was bloody surprised when I didn't see the GTP seats.

Bit of a joke imo when you consider people are paying 85k on road and in some cases even more you would expect FPV to put their best seats available in it. The GTP seats are awesome imo, evertyime I jump in my fg xr6t I feel like I really need to find a pair for it haha

[Neale]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

This statement seems to indicate that Joshua doesn't realise that GTF-001 (which I assume was the one tested) is a manual, not an automatic which is implied here.

He did also say

us motoring hacks don't know what we're talking about

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I'd have a dirty feeling if I bought a GTS knowing how much they spent on it in such a dying unprofitable market being totally supported by govco!

HSV get govco money? Never knew that.

[goldxrdamo]

Why is everyone saying how outdated the GTF is and how the GTS is so much more advanced with all of its techy crap in it. Has everyone forgotten about the engine in this car, it's only 5.0 and makes crazy power with just a $500 tune. The GTS on the other hand is still running a glorified 1968 pushrod single cam dinosaur engine. A tune on the GTS gets sweet F&$k all power gain without spending a small fortune on it.
Yeah the GTS is a nice car and in stock form it might be a fly s$&t faster then the GTF but I'd never be interested in owning one.
I'd never part with my Rspec to buy any Holden no matter what it has.
Also I don't think the GTF would be any quicker then the rspec from 0-100 as the Rspec isn't limited to mid 4 seconds because of the power it's limited by tyres and suspension. Maybe over the 1/4 mile the extra 20hp of the GTF might make a difference but only time will tell.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by goldxrdamo

Why is everyone saying how outdated the GTF is and how the GTS is so much more advanced with all of its techy crap in it. Has everyone forgotten about the engine in this car, it's only 5.0 and makes crazy power with just a $500 tune. The GTS on the other hand is still running a glorified 1968 pushrod single cam dinosaur engine. A tune on the GTS gets sweet F&$k all power gain without spending a small fortune on it.
Yeah the GTS is a nice car and in stock form it might be a fly s$&t faster then the GTF but I'd never be interested in owning one.
I'd never part with my Rspec to buy any Holden no matter what it has.
Also I don't think the GTF would be any quicker then the rspec from 0-100 as the Rspec isn't limited to mid 4 seconds because of the power it's limited by tyres and suspension. Maybe over the 1/4 mile the extra 20hp of the GTF might make a difference but only time will tell.

I'm really hoping one of the lucky 500 odd people that bought one will do a review. be good to see an honest review without bagging it out and saying how much better the GTS is ect. one person on here compared his GT-R spec to the HSV GTS and I liked that. he stated what he didn't like about both cars and what he liked. didn't over glorify on car over the other. sure the FG is outdated but so was the FG's natural competitor. the VE

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by goldxrdamo

Why is everyone saying how outdated the GTF is and how the GTS is so much more advanced with all of its techy crap in it. Has everyone forgotten about the engine in this car, it's only 5.0 and makes crazy power with just a $500 tune. The GTS on the other hand is still running a glorified 1968 pushrod single cam dinosaur engine. A tune on the GTS gets sweet F&$k all power gain without spending a small fortune on it.
Yeah the GTS is a nice car and in stock form it might be a fly s$&t faster then the GTF but I'd never be interested in owning one.
I'd never part with my Rspec to buy any Holden no matter what it has.
Also I don't think the GTF would be any quicker then the rspec from 0-100 as the Rspec isn't limited to mid 4 seconds because of the power it's limited by tyres and suspension. Maybe over the 1/4 mile the extra 20hp of the GTF might make a difference but only time will tell.

Whats wrong with a pushrod engine? 6.2L capacity with a superchared and intercooler sounds like a pretty good combo that would make some serious torque with minimal mods.

Where there hell are people getting $500 tunes from? It costs more than $500 for just the flash tuner...

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by wildrider;513****

I'm really hoping one of the lucky 500 odd people that bought one will do a review. be good to see an honest review without bagging it out and saying how much better the GTS is ect. one person on here compared his GT-R spec to the HSV GTS and I liked that. he stated what he didn't like about both cars and what he liked. didn't over glorify on car over the other. sure the FG is outdated but so was the FG's natural competitor. the VE

Has it ever ocurred to you that infact the GTS is actually the better performance car of the two? Or are you just going to keep harping on about how every review is biased toward the GTS and its all a conspiracy against FPV etc etc

The VF is the newer model after all and has better performance hardware and not trying to sound harsh but the GTF is basically just an R Spec with a little more power so it was always going to finish in 2nd place imo

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by 40RDT

Has it ever ocurred to you that infact the GTS is actually the better performance car of the two? Or are you just going to keep harping on about how every review is biased toward the GTS and its all a conspiracy against FPV etc etc

The VF is the newer model after all and has better performance hardware and not trying to sound harsh but the GTF is basically just an R Spec with a little more power so it was always going to finish in 2nd place imo

newer doesn't mean better does it??? I have good claim for the bias remarks as others do on here. can you explain the comments a certain Journo claimed about the GTS making 500kw with Transient overboost???? I'd love to hear you explain this. oh wait does the GTS have Max Rockatanskys' supercharger switch??

better performance hardware my ****. the things luck to make 350kw through the wheels and that's with a bigger motor with a supercharger and intercooler etc. Hate to tell you this but the GTS is really just an expensive Commodore. with pushrod technology

[BHDOGS]

i see 40RDT is still raving on with his gts agenda really gotta let it go bra it sucks balls.

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by wildrider

newer doesn't mean better does it??? I have good claim for the bias remarks as others do on here. can you explain the comments a certain Journo claimed about the GTS making 500kw with Transient overboost???? I'd love to hear you explain this. oh wait does the GTS have Max Rockatanskys' supercharger switch??

better performance hardware my ****. the things luck to make 350kw through the wheels and that's with a bigger motor with a supercharger and intercooler etc. Hate to tell you this but the GTS is really just an expensive Commodore. with pushrod technology

Now wildrider dont be so mean hsv had to spend all there money on diffs and fake exhaust ports and a screen that tells you how fast you go side ways its not there fault they forgot to spend money and time making the engine actually go fast. Holden was the one that keep on using a ****** old engine

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

i see 40RDT is still raving on with his gts agenda really gotta let it go bra it sucks balls.

I guess the new GTS is so pricey because of the Mad Max Style supercharger switch!! gives an instant 500kw throu the wheels!!

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by wildrider

newer doesn't mean better does it??? I have good claim for the bias remarks as others do on here. can you explain the comments a certain Journo claimed about the GTS making 500kw with Transient overboost???? I'd love to hear you explain this. oh wait does the GTS have Max Rockatanskys' supercharger switch??

better performance hardware my ****. the things luck to make 350kw through the wheels and that's with a bigger motor with a supercharger and intercooler etc. Hate to tell you this but the GTS is really just an expensive Commodore. with pushrod technology

Generally as newer models are released the better the cars get and wtf is transient overboost and what does it have to do with the GTS outperforming and getting better reviews than the GTF?

And yes the GTS has better hardware than the FPV, bigger brakes, stronger driveline, better suspension etc etc but everyone on here already knows that. As for dyno kw numbers I wouldnt get too hung up on those, performance times are a better gauge of real world performance. And you do realise that the GTF is just an expensive falcon too yeah lmao

[BHDOGS]

Whats hsv got to do with holdens? i thought the gtf was made at a ford factory by ford? i dont remember holden building a hsv so why are they being compared i dont get it a private company investing millions is irrelevant the gts isnt a factory built car its an aftermarket produced car shouldnt the gtf there for be compared to the ss? how odd i thought the gts was euro car territory you know bmws and all that that it loses to completely?

[anto]

Originally Posted by 40RDT

Has it ever ocurred to you that infact the GTS is actually the better performance car of the two?

has it ever occurred to you that you are like a broken record...we get it you're a HSV's fanboy

Why are you here btw ? To take pot shots at the GTF...it's getting boring

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by anto

has it ever occurred to you that you are like a broken record...we get it you're a HSV's fanboy
it's boring..

Wrong im a performance car fanboy, badges mean nothing to me. If you're bored please leave no one is making you read this thread...

[smciner1]

Originally Posted by Nikked

At the end of the day...


GT V's GTS....


Take it in, because this is the last time its going to happen.

Sadly, this.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by 40RDT

Generally as newer models are released the better the cars get and wtf is transient overboost and what does it have to do with the GTS outperforming and getting better reviews than the GTF?

And yes the GTS has better hardware than the FPV, bigger brakes, stronger driveline, better suspension etc etc but everyone on here already knows that. As for dyno kw numbers I wouldnt get too hung up on those, performance times are a better gauge of real world performance

basically its overboost you get for a few seconds. its all dependent on ambient Temperature so for example you could be driving on a cold day will say about 10 degrees for a example and you put your foot down the 5L Miami will produce more power at the fly wheel for a short amount of time. I have heard 8 seconds for the GT but however the down side of this is if its a hotday 35 degrees you may not get the extra boost but will still do the minimum 351 or 335kw. its does that to protect the engine. the GTS has a intercooler that will help keep this extra boost the supercharger will provide so it doesn't drop like with GT. now I can live with this and I wouldn't of been annoyed until a certain jurno rubbished FPV's claim about power and said "don't believe the hype, The GT-F has 351kw not 400" he then went to say that the GTS produces 500kw with transient overboost making fun out of what we all have known and suspected for years about Miami V8. now how is that not biased?? this jurno also mention this on his twitter account but later took the comments down and in the review about the GT-F due to people proving him wrong

Basically that is why the FPV GT is only rated to 335kw. it can make more but in the right conditions. 335kw is the minimum it will produce at the fly wheel