40 Years on. Man on the moon. Truth or a Hoax ??

[ltd]

Originally Posted by flappist

Top ten reasons why the moon landing has not been repeated:

10) The court case over trademarking McMoon, MS Moon & MacMoon is still running

9) NASA can't afford the frequent flyer points.

8) No one on the moon voted for Obama.

7) They are worried about moon climate change from the excess CO2 in the lunar lander.

6) NASA cannot find an astronaut under 30 years old who can exist in a place where there is no SMS or facebook.

5) Steven Speilberg is too busy to make the live broadcasts.

4) Most men are very confused by things that have a monthly cycle.

3) There is no oil on the moon.

2) NASA are refusing to allow flights until the astronauts spend a year in Sydney so they are used to being in cold unwelcoming place with no atmospere whatsoever and possible sightings of strange alien looking creatures.

1) NASA are still trying to get direct injection LPG to work on the Saturn V so it will have the running costs of a camry.

ROFLMAO :

Mate, they have the money to afford to go back to the moon, but they haven't the budget to afford the carbon credits necessary to offset global warm-ening-ening. They are however going to auction off a photo of almighty Gaia that they'll take on the way home to raise funds for the carbon credits.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Teflon Turbo

not dodging the question. i don't have a response for it, it's hard for me to believe a habitual liar (usa).

maybe those laser reflectors where just launched and placed there without human help.

i do believe in life elsewhere in the universe though.

I believe 2 such devices were sent on unmanned craft by the Russians. One of them failed to deploy and IIRC, the other hasn't been active since 1970.

You send a craft to the moon, people notice. Apollo 11 mission installed a reflector on the surface of the moon as well as deploying a number of other devices and collected samples of soil and rock. Its path to and from the moon was tracked by several stations within several countries, including Russia in which they were in a pseudo-competition with.

Their return to Earth was tracked as well as the splashdown of the command module in which 3 astronauts emerged with samples of moon soil and rock (if you want to also tackle how that was achieved, I'd love to hear it too). At the completion of the Apollo 11 mission, astronomists for the first time were magically able to bounce a laser off the moon to determine its distance from us (and still do to this very day).

The Apollo missions extracted 320kg of moon rock. My understanding is that most, if not all the unmanned probes designed to retrieve samples have returned only with moon soil - wait for it... weighing in at a total off 300g.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by crazy-au

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQ...eature=related


Ill just leave this here.

Geez. All it really shows is how desperate some people are to try and debunk the moon landing with bollocks. We think they used wires and a retarded movie studio that couldn't be bothered editing the footage correctly, therefore man never landed on the moon. QED.

[Peuty]

I love the comparison between walking on the moon and the crummy video their "production" team put together.

[Teflon Turbo]

the first 90s balkan war

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I believe 2 such devices were sent on unmanned craft by the Russians. One of them failed to deploy and IIRC, the other hasn't been active since 1970.

You send a craft to the moon, people notice. Apollo 11 mission installed a reflector on the surface of the moon as well as deploying a number of other devices and collected samples of soil and rock. Its path to and from the moon was tracked by several stations within several countries, including Russia in which they were in a pseudo-competition with.

Their return to Earth was tracked as well as the splashdown of the command module in which 3 astronauts emerged with samples of moon soil and rock (if you want to also tackle how that was achieved, I'd love to hear it too). At the completion of the Apollo 11 mission, astronomists for the first time were magically able to bounce a laser off the moon to determine its distance from us (and still do to this very day).

The Apollo missions extracted 320kg of moon rock. My understanding is that most, if not all the unmanned probes designed to retrieve samples have returned only with moon soil - wait for it... weighing in at a total off 300g.

Hmm, that's just jogged my memory about something. Was there not a manned Russian mission to the moon after the Apollo one, that crashed and was hushed up by the Commies?

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Hmm, that's just jogged my memory about something. Was there not a manned Russian mission to the moon after the Apollo one, that crashed and was hushed up by the Commies?

Are you sure you're not confusing it with Luna 15?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_15

Otherwise, I'd not heard of that one.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by AUIIForte

One thing to add here. Space has been proven to not be a vacuum... People keep referring to that area as being completely particle/matter free. And that the 'space' just around the moon is a vacuum. Well, its not.

Even so drag would be negligable.

Originally Posted by xtremerus

There is no dark side of the moon. Just half that we can't see from earth.
In a 'quarter moon', 3/4s of the other side is in sunlight.
They landed with a low sun though, hence the long shadows. I think this is what you mean.

Yes I was careful to say darker side. As it was the sunlight was strong enough to obscure the starfield from the photos.

The conspiracies were all the rage back then. I remember them spoiling what was a grand achievement. I think there was something about the minor blast crater from the lander, but that was debunked by the fact it did a very soft landing, the flags on successive lunar landings all waved too, the footprint was clear because it was in dust, whereas the lunar landing feet left a smaller impression because of dust dispersal on landing, etc. etc.

It didn't matter what NASA said, the tall poppy cutters were determined to have their 15 minutes of fame. I was a mere teenager in '69, but I was old enough to dislike the Malfoys for the weak minded people they were.

[red_hotxr6]

I reckon if they did it in 1969, how come 10 years later with better tech, they didnt do it again..? very fishy

[Peuty]

As stated by someone before, they did it another five times after Apollo 11.

Plus there is no real need to go to the moon anymore.

[xbgs351]

Originally Posted by ltd

The americans got to the moon before the russians for one simple reason; The greatest American of all time.......... Who was actually a German - Werner Von Braun.

At the end of WW2 Werner and his team surrendered to the US troops and eventually went to White Sands in New Mexico where they began testing and firing rockets like the V2 Werner had invented earlier. Deliberately, Werner sent a rocket so high that it actually did make it to outerspace to demonstrate his teams abilityto be the first in space, but his superiors in the US military prevented him from sticking anything in it.
The race was really on though to get a satellite into space between Werner and one of his former WW2 counterparts who had defected to Russia, and Werner had the experience to beat them and their Sputnik but was defeated by the US government wanting an American rocket (Not a German rocket) to be the first. After several failures, they scrapped the american rocket and let Werners team have a go. In record time Werner had a rocket and satellite launched into space. The Russians basically had spent so much money on their program that a moon landing was becoming nigh on impossible, but in the USA Werner forged ahead and the rest is history.
I have been to Hutchinson in Kentucky where there is so much info on this guy as well as an original V1 and V2 rocket, and recommend that anyone interested should look up info on the pioneer of space travel.

As a physics lecturer of mine once stated:

"The Americans got to the moon first because the American German rocket scientist were better than the Russian German rocket scientist."

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

I reckon if they did it in 1969, how come 10 years later with better tech, they didnt do it again..? very fishy

What better tech was that? The Space Shuttle you mean? The shuttle was never designed for space travel and was designed purely for use in orbit to support the development of a decent commercial and military satellite network (of which we all enjoy the benefits of today).

Oh...and the US Air Force wanted an orbital nuclear bomber which could operate with impunity over Soviet territory >:-)

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

I reckon if they did it in 1969, how come 10 years later with better tech, they didnt do it again..? very fishy

They put men on the moon 5 more times after Apollo 11.

A mineral not found on Earth naturally was retrieved by the Apollo 11 astronauts, the first sample ever collected from the Moon by man. They subsequently collected 380kg worth of material from the Moon - 1000 times more than unmanned probes have collected. The documented amount of Moon rock collected on Earth due to ejection from the surface is ~50kg and it leaves a telltale sign when it passes through our atmosphere.

Armalcolite, named after Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins was the name they gave to the mineral retrieved by Apollo 11 and subsequent missions.

I mean, how can you disregard that and go with the, I can see a string and a hook in that footage, Jim... the moon landings therefore are a hoax. Did NASA not only film the moon landings in a studio, they created a whole new compound, dated it as 3.8 billion years old and pay off every single scientist that has studied the samples?!

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Teflon Turbo

in the first balkans war, russia supplied serbs with crucial technology to, and
you wont read about this in media or in hollywood, america's number on propaganda tool, but over 20 stealth bombers were shot down by serbs and over 150 fighter jets too.

:

Ha, ha !

20 Stealth Bombers shot down ? They first saw action in Kosovo, maybe that's another conspiracy.. perhaps they DID see action earlier too :hihi:

I guess that means they (the US) have 1 left now ? Northrop built 21 !!

150 fighters ? Sounds like your Russian / Serb 'facts' are a little biased perhaps ?

It's great how they (the Serbs) managed to do all of that damage, I guess some of that was done with the % of WWII armanents they were still using.

BTW: The Soviet space program was shielded in secrecy, and many failures / deaths. It has also only recently been acknowledged that Gagarin's initial flight ended after being ejected from his capsule and falling to earth by 'chute, and that the Soviets didn't have the technolgy to land him safely.

The US program was not shrouded in the same way, they won the space race and landed man on the Moon.

Conspiracy theorists need to get a life, or just find a hobby.

[metalmania]

Originally Posted by Peuty

As stated by someone before, they did it another five times after Apollo 11.

Plus there is no real need to go to the moon anymore.

That's not entirely true if you beleive some of the documentaries being made.I seen one in particular not long ago when HD broadcasting began here. I think it was on ABC 2. This documentary was talking about a specific gas or mineral being on the moon that can enable nuclear reactors to last much longer than they do today.It somehow reduces wear internally thus prolonging life.
So there could be a reason to go to the moon again.

[platinumXR]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Conspiracy theorists need to get a life, or just find a hobby.

Yeah, I'll second that.

[Spanrz]

OK..... Check here for pictures of the lunar modules on the surface.
Image resolution will get better later on, but I think NASA were proving a point that they did land on the moon.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LR...ollosites.html

[Brent]

To all the conspiracy theorists out there, please bear with me for a moment.

Let's take a step back from the doctored photos etc. In order to carry out such a conspiracy, you'd require a mass of people to be in on the whole game. There'd be multiple administrative and management layers of personnel at NASA; government officials; scientific experts; technical consultants; film/studio sources; not to mention the ship crew themselves. All would have to be in agreement. All would have to had to toe the conspiracy line.

Now, with all these variables involved, are we seriously considering that all this has stayed in place so many years, pefectly kept to this day? That the consistent trait for human beings to spill the beans on secrets hasn't played out? That nobody involved has weakened & provided solid proof it was a hoax? That not a single sole has had an attack of morals and uncovered the sham? That incriminating documentation hasn't surfaced to undo the whole thing?

Let's put this whole thing into context. Approximately 10 years ago, a well known US President got an old fashioned BJ from some no-name staff member. He was arguably the most powerful man in the world. The President of the world's pre-emminant superpower. She was, to be honest, a nobody. The people involved in the whole scandal were him & her. Not multitudes of others. Not whole government departments. Despite all this, the most powerful man and government in the Western world was unable to cover it up. The whole thing went public, big time. The CIA didn't knock her off. She didn't disappear. Nup. No fictional "Borne Identity" car chases and cloak & dagger stuff. The President got done......in more ways than one.

Yet, the moon landing and all the complexities of the whole show was, and still is, a perfectly orchestrated fraud???? Now that's quite some achievement.

[Teflon Turbo]

ah well...

[AUIIForte]

Originally Posted by Rodp

Did NASA not only film the moon landings in a studio, they created a whole new compound, dated it as 3.8 billion years old and pay off every single scientist that has studied the samples?!

Not only that, but parts of the compound brought back from the moon where sent to major, leading Universities of the world. One went to the ANU (in Canberra) where it is still now, studied extensively by new students.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Brent

To all the conspiracy theorists out there, please bear with me for a moment.

Let's take a step back from the doctored photos etc. In order to carry out such a conspiracy, you'd require a mass of people to be in on the whole game. There'd be multiple administrative and management layers of personnel at NASA; government officials; scientific experts; technical consultants; film/studio sources; not to mention the ship crew themselves. All would have to be in agreement. All would have to had to toe the conspiracy line.

Now, with all these variables involved, are we seriously considering that all this has stayed in place so many years, pefectly kept to this day? That the consistent trait for human beings to spill the beans on secrets hasn't played out? That nobody involved has weakened & provided solid proof it was a hoax? That not a single sole has had an attack of morals and uncovered the sham? That incriminating documentation hasn't surfaced to undo the whole thing?

Let's put this whole thing into context. Approximately 10 years ago, a well known US President got an old fashioned BJ from some no-name staff member. He was arguably the most powerful man in the world. The President of the world's pre-emminant superpower. She was, to be honest, a nobody. The people involved in the whole scandal were him & her. Not multitudes of others. Not whole government departments. Despite all this, the most powerful man and government in the Western world was unable to cover it up. The whole thing went public, big time. The CIA didn't knock her off. She didn't disappear. Nup. No fictional "Borne Identity" car chases and cloak & dagger stuff. The President got done......in more ways than one.

Yet, the moon landing and all the complexities of the whole show was, and still is, a perfectly orchestrated fraud???? Now that's quite some achievement.

Beautifully put Brent ! :Reverend:

[XR Martin]

Yeah where are all the pics of these shot down stealths?
I only remember one F117 which crashed in bad weather, wasnt shot down as far as I know.


Anyway any moron can sign up to an internet forum and talk crap, it takes alot more brains to do the hard yards, become a scientist, join NASA and participate in one of human's greatest achievements.
I guess when you have little to show for your life, its just easier to put down anyone who has achieved so much more.


Someone also mentioned Armstrong always seemed so cool, calm and collected?
His heart rate was 153 BPM while piloting the LEM down to the moon surface.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by AUIIForte

Not only that, but parts of the compound brought back from the moon where sent to major, leading Universities of the world. One went to the ANU (in Canberra) where it is still now, studied extensively by new students.

There's also a piece at the Canberra Deep Space Complex. Went and saw it a couple of months ago.

[Teflon Turbo]

i don't understand all the hostility

[fordAU]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Anyway any moron can sign up to an internet forum and talk crap, it takes alot more brains to do the hard yards, become a scientist, join NASA and participate in one of human's greatest achievements.

That is very true Martin, well put.
The Apollo program from 1961–1975 was probably one of mans greatest achievements, remarkable that in 1961 JF Kennedy announced to the US congress :
"First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth. No single space project in this period will be more impressive to mankind, or more important in the long-range exploration of space; and none will be so difficult or expensive to accomplish." and they did it.

Just quickly as this is OT and totally irrelevant but for accuracy during the 1999 Nato campaign in the Balkans 1,000 Nato aircraft were involved in military operations, those aircraft flew over 38,000 combat missions, one F117 stealth fighter was shot down, one F117 was badly damaged but made in back to base, one F-16 was lost during combat operations and one AH-64 chopper went down.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Yeah where are all the pics of these shot down stealths?
I only remember one F117 which crashed in bad weather, wasnt shot down as far as I know.

Yeah nah that F117 was shot down, was a fluke shot by goons with a Soviet-era Grail MANPAD (MAN Portable Air Defence)

EDIT: I'm wrong, it was a stationary missile battery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F117#Operational_history

[buickman]

It happened and I was lucky to be old enough to watch and remember the event most of the disbelievers were still swinging between their old man’s legs when the event occured.

[Teflon Turbo]

you have been fed propaganda boys and girls.

since you are open minded keep this in mind...

people from here may well have been in serbia at the particularly time and if you were a greek conscript (for example) they could well have witnessed it first hand since the pay was double to do nato duties in serbia at that time, further more one would also have witnessed first hand the scale in which the russians helped their brothers with over 30,000 russian troops deplyed in serbia and technology that america had no clue about.

so while you may think you are right and you fight for that, you could just as easily be wrong with out even knowing. There is a difference between being fed the truth and knowing the truth.

i aint gonna comment anymore becaue you are just attacking individuals for disagreeing with you.

[Charliewool]

Whoooooah.... Now THAT is DEEP!!!.... Teflon Turbo.... Where can I get some of what your on?

[xtremerus]

Originally Posted by buickman

It happened and I was lucky to be old enough to watch and remember the event most of the disbelievers were still swinging between their old man’s legs when the event occured.

So true, so true