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Occasional Cortex is on the record stating the world will end in 12 years. We're heard the same type of BS rhetoric from Al Gore and his hoax climate change infomercial, An Inconvenient Truth.
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Thanks for the education, Teach. You’ve convinced me with your rock-solid response. So, again, where in AOC’s submission does it state cars (F6’s?) will be taken off person A, to be given to person B, for person B to use freely at the sole cost of person A?
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But they are not self-declared socialist states. Let's not cherry pick and look at the 28 countries who have declared themselves socialist/communist 23/28 of self declared socialist/communist countries have given it up officially: Afghanistan Albania Angola Belarus Benin Bulgaria Cambodia Congo-Brazzaville Czechoslovakia Ethiopia East Germany Hungary Mongolia Mozambique Poland Romania Somalia Russia - Soviet Union Ukraine North Vietnam South Yemen Yugoslavia Those remaining: China - its moved a long way towards a market economy while keeping a 1 state ruling party Venezuela - imploding Cuba - economy very poor North Korea - economy very poor Laos - moving to open economy since 2009 The empirical evidence is overwhelmingly against you. The best way to help the environment is to make people richer and it also helps with population control for those that worry about that. Lets say you introduce all these dream policies in Australia and the USA. It will have almost zero impact as investment will flow out of those 2 countries and into places like China and India and the other 200 countries where environmental concerns are not given as much priority. Meanwhile we are poorer for the policies which impacts our ability to research and solve the problem. You actually want rich people using their own money to invest in ideas that may or may not work. The government interfering with legislation/rules just stops educated money getting to where it needs to be to create win/win outcomes. Last edited by zipping; 15-02-2019 at 09:20 PM. |
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Socialism has a record of failure so blatant that you would have to be a moron to read the list of the above countries and think yeh......I aspire to be like them.
Of course people with the best of intentions think aha......they didn't do it the right way......of course if I was the supreme ruler I would implement socialism way better than all those other failed states. |
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This thread needs to go the way of those failed socialist states IMO
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This guy is actually running for 2020:
https://theresurgent.com/2019/02/12/...rage-veganism/ Cortez won by more votes than I posted in my first post - that's even scarier! I think the Left are testing the waters with these first round of hopefuls, then Beto and Biden will announce their presidential run. I rekon Michelle Obama could possibly throw her hat in the ring too. |
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I guess the ultimate aim is to make the general public dependant on the government. That's the agenda of the left, socialists and Labor/Greens in Australia.
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This is why I don't want US politics catching on here. The extremes of both sides drown out out the middle on many topics.
Where there is common ground, do something about it and then negotiate the rest. I have to laugh that in the US universal health care is considered socialist by many people and therefore bad. What the **** is wrong with wanting people to be healthy. It costs 2% of taxable income here. While not perfect it is far better than anything they have! Surely the richest country on earth can manage that? |
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To keep OT
![]() New York Governor Cuomo blasts AOC and left-wing Democrats for 'putting political interests above community' and driving away Amazon - despite polls showing most people supported tech giant's new HQ New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is slamming politicians like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Michael N. Gianaris for derailing Amazon's plans On Thursday Amazon announced it is cancelling its plans to build a headquarters in Queens, New York, citing lack of cooperation between local politicians Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio have long lobbied for the tech giant to come to NY The governor said 'A small group of politicians put their own narrow political interests above their community' in a statement on Thursday He said the politicians behind the pulled plans should be held accountable Politicians like AOC were critical of Amazon's deal as the city offered $3billion in tax breaks and incentives to the tech giant Polls showed that 70 percent New Yorkers were supportive of the Amazon HQ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...U68pRUyeWy7_Yo |
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Here is 2016 https://www.taxsuperandyou.gov.au/node/131/take |
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2% is the Medicare levy, as in what an individual tax payer pays per year. Not a bad deal really. Have a heart attack in the US and see what it costs you.
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Well, that's the image I got. You must have been standing in line for a while to get on that topic - then again, it is Disneyworld.
The rest of the world seem to talk more about their healthcare system than American's themselves - maybe that's saying something. Back to Cortez: https://finance.nine.com.au/2019/02/...dquarters-jobs |
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The USA spends over 17% of GDP on healthcare, one the most expensive systems in the world. 44million US citizens have no health insurance and 38million have inadequate health insurance. How is it that the USA can pay so much for healthcare and get such a bad outcome? Allowing the 'market' to determine the cost of healthcare Americans are over charged and over serviced. Without government regulation in healthcare, that every other modern democracy has, Americans are getting ripped off by big business maximising profits. Is universal Medicare and a Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, sensible Government policy or the slippery Socialist slope to world domination?
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Gee some liberal interpretations of socialism here. Communism is an extreme subset of the socialist theory, where the state owns and decides everything. Socialism was a reaction to the rise of capitalism in the Victorian era, a theory to adjust the failings of capitalism against the communities and economies of the day.
Modern socialism has headed towards a democratic socialist model and your very own Australia is a great example of this. Don't get it wrong Australia is a socialist society. Greatly subsidised universal healthcare, free education, income support, welfare, a balanced taxation system, taxation on primary industries to recoup the proletariats share, substantive government intervention in the market to adjust the failings of capitalism. The balance sometimes slurs one way or the other but the Australian people keep this in check through the election cycles. Swings and roundabouts. I consider most of Europe to in effect behave as democratic socialist states. Communism doesn't work for the many, capitalism doesn't work for the most, socialism despite its dirty and missunderstood name is how most civil societies act. JP |
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Have you read it? What is it specifically, about the fourteen goals, do you vehemently oppose? None of this "left/right" or "destroy the economy" broad generalisations, what specifically about each goal do you oppose, and why? Quote:
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China's full title is the "People's Republic of China". China's Communist, yeah? Cuba's full title is the "Republic of Cuba". ditto North Korea - "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"... Umm... Laos - "Lao People's Democratic Republic" - Also Communist. Quote:
* Achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers * Create millions of good, high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States * Invest in the infrastructure and industry of the United States to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century * Secure for all people of the United States for generations to come— (i) clean air and water; (ii) climate and community resiliency; (iii) healthy food; (iv) access to nature; and (v) a sustainable environment * Promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of indigenous peoples, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth Quote:
And, back to AOC's submission, I refer to you a direct copy-paste from there, in respect to what I have italicised above: * Enacting and enforcing trade rules, procurement standards, and border adjustments with strong labor and environmental protections— (i) to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas; and (ii) to grow domestic manufacturing in the United States |
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That "70 percent" poll is also "56 percent" in other news articles, and amongst that "56 percent" they're split down the middle amongst those supporting the $3b incentive and those against it. So 25,000 jobs for $3 billion of taxpayer money, given to a trillion dollar company that's been REFUNDED $137m for its $16.8b earnings! Surely there's a better way... |
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The us is one of the worst examples to use and it is a huge issue over there to the point the affordable care Act is no longer a 'socialist' policy to the Republicans.
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Such a big leap. Be wary of using stats to support your argument because invariably you open yourself to criticism regarding other facts you failed to consider to support your conclusion. But at least you are one up on name calling to win an argument. Rather than counter you with such things as defining the actual boundary of Melbourne and how far into the outer suburbs it extends to arrive at a median house price, and without mentioning that most households in 1973 only had one salary, and nor will I mention an interest rate four times higher than today; but I'll answer with an analogy. In 1973 an XB Falcon 500 6 cylinder auto was $4181 In 2016 an FGX was $36,400 If production continued it would probably be let's say $40,000, but we'll stick with the lower figure for the sake of argument. So using your salary figures, a 1973 purchase took 40.8 weeks whereas a 2019 purchase took 23.2 weeks. However if you look at household income rather than individual income, it changes markedly. In 1973, the purchase remains the same at 40.8 weeks whereas the 2019 figure is now 11.7 weeks Now if I use this argument to showcase how us oldies had it harder than youse younger blokes, you would not be impressed enough to change your view and you would site other factors such as manufacturing methods, economies of scale, blah, blah, blah. We cannot compare generations using today's benchmarks. If you don't agree with this lemme tell you some things: my parents never owned a car in their lives, I can vividly remember when we got our first fridge which meant we could make ice cream from carnation milk, I was clothed in hand me downs from my brothers, and we didn't get TV until I was 16. I guess I am just one of those old white privileged males who buggered everything causing so much suffering to current and future generations who have to sort out the mess from our greedy generation. BTW Big Trev, you get a thumbs up from me. |
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I think time's up here.
From one inane meme to those who think AOC is not fashion model material but don't put their own Wife's or girlfriends pics up for comparision. And those who deflected the discussion to Australian politics and then to the old 'they had it easier than us'. Whilst managing to squeeze in Socialism, Taxation and Health. I'm surprised that Hitler and the Nazi's never got a mention! (Godwins Law) Closed.
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