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I havent seen a single ZB around my way yet either, plenty of older v8's & v6's though.
Im sure those guys wont be getting rid of their older Commodore's in a hurry & i dont blame them lol. cheers, Maka
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I have seen one ZB, and they are really hard to tell apart from an Astra sedan. Both have that horrid low front snout.
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Up here in Central Queensland? Haven't seen one. Sad really.
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.... but then woke up to himself
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. It was big enough , it was reliable basically , it had a turbo diesel that seems to be the fashion these days and it was better looking than most other comparable vehicles but it sold in lower numbers too . Regardless of the Falcon situation it still surprises me the Territory didn't sell in much bigger numbers..Still reckon the humble station wagon could have been a bit of a saviour if a bit of thought and development had of taken place. The BF was it for Ford but the Holden Sportswagon seemed to have a good amount of room that would have given a mid sized SUV a run for its money . Have a quick read of this from 2011 on that subject https://www.carsguide.com.au/head-to...s-wagons-10767 and the Ford Mondeo wagon got a good report as well as the Commodore as did the Skoda. We certainly will be enjoying our dinosaurs for years yet with any luck. Last edited by roddy1960; 26-04-2018 at 08:30 PM. |
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It's sad to see but unless Holden starts sparking some real interest in dealerships
this will get a lot uglier.... |
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To this day, I'll never understand why there wasn't a V6 diesel Falcon,
preoccupied with Eco LPI that arrived after fleets moved onto other vehicles. Ford built Ecoboost Falcon but never advertised it, great way to cut its legs off. All that pales in comparison to Holden's current dilemma, ZB is not a bad car, just invisible |
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https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...modore-112373/
April VFACTS: New low for Holden Commodore Toyota HiLux and Ford Ranger top the charts as Holden Commodore hits rock-bottom Holden’s Commodore has posted the lowest monthly sales figure in its illustrious 40-year history, with less than 600 registered in April. Official VFACTS sales figures due to be released later this week are expected to show Holden sold just 587 Commodores last month – almost 60 per cent less than in April 2017. But that number will reduce even further given it still includes a number of homegrown VFII Commodore sedans and wagons, although Holden sold just 26 locally made Utes and two Caprices last month. Commodore sales have hovered at historical lows of less than 1000 for the past three months, with the previous low of 737 recorded in February – the same month Holden launched its imported ZB Commodore and posted its lowest overall monthly sales figure since 1948. With the exception of Barina, Trax and Trailblazer, all other Holden models also posted slower sales in April, when Holden’s overall sales were down 21.2 per cent – more than any other top-10 brand. Nevertheless Holden climbed from 10th on the sales chart and a paltry 4.9 per cent market share in March to sixth and 5.8 per cent in April, when the overall market slipped by more than two per cent (more than six per cent based on equivalent selling days) but remains up year-to-date. That’s a far cry from the 21.6 per cent share the former market leader held as recently as 2002, but the Commodore wasn’t the only mid-size model to experience a sales slump in April. At just over 560, sales of Toyota’s new imported Camry were also about 60 per cent down on the same month last year, while the Mazda6 was down almost 40 per cent at 180 (less than the Kia Stinger), Ford shifted 208 Mondeos (down more than 30%) and Honda sold just five Accords. Once again the Toyota HiLux, with almost 3600 sales, was the top-selling vehicle in April, followed by the Toyota Corolla (2979), Ford Ranger (2796) and Mazda3 (2261). But while Toyota sales lifted by 3.5 per cent to 16,647, Mazda’s slumped by 10.5 per cent to 7723 following sales declines by all models but the BT-50 4x4. Less than 600 sales behind in third was Hyundai, which was up 4.1 per cent despite its volume-selling i30 falling 3.8 per cent to just over 1900 sales. After its stellar rise to third overall in March, Mitsubishi remained solid in fourth with more than 5500 sales, the ASX topping the small SUV segment for the month and year, and the Eclipse Cross adding all-incremental sales. After Holden, fifth-placed Ford was the biggest loser in April with a near-17% sales decline to 4822 sales, followed by Holden, Kia, Subaru, Volkswagen and Nissan – the only other top-10 brand to go backwards in April, by 9.6 per cent. |
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A manager at work got his new company car last month - a brand new VFII. Says it all.
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“ At just over 560, sales of Toyota’s new imported Camry were also about 60 per cent down on the same month last year, while the Mazda6 was down almost 40 per cent at 180 (less than the Kia Stinger), Ford shifted 208 Mondeos (down more than 30%) and Honda sold just five Accords. “
Considering the medium sized sedan market is dying, why did they think sticking the Commodore badge on a medium sized sedan would end well. They should have showed the name some respect and put it on the shelf.
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Doesn't matter what they call it, it is seen as just another FWD 4cyl sedan, sorry hatch, or a complicated AWD V6.
Selling these will be like a new entry Chinese brand, no history, no previous local knowledge, unknown mechanical and electronic reliability. Even the V6 is not the same as the Oz V6, same, yeah, but different. |
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I said this here years back and didn't get much agreement, but still believe it to be true - Ford should have focused 100% on performance during the dying years of Falcon. Forget ecoboost, forget ecoLPi - turbo sixes and blown V8's should have been their sole focus, and sales would have been significantly higher than what they were in the last few years. VFII was still selling 2000+ units at the end of it's extended 12 year model cycle, after fleets and business customers had moved on. They sold this many because of the big range of performance models - SS, SS-V, SS-V Redline in sedan/ute/wagon, plus SV6, plus Calais V V8. That was the niche of the large sedan - performance/muscle. They could never compete as an economy car, or a practical car and should never have even tried. A diesel Falcon would have been a horrible thing, worse in every way compared to the failed ecoboost or LPG - probably would have sold more than those admittedly, but could never have justified the investment. |
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When the turbo petrol failed to gather the sales, they had next to no funding so took the cheapest diesel possible and stuffed that into the Terri. The diesel Falcon was probably a victim of this kind of malaise. No green industry funding to engineer it, and uncertain market prospects to receive it. The ecoboost never took off in fleet sales as they were expecting. Maybe someone moved the goal posts? https://www.smh.com.au/national/ford...717-228j5.html http://www.news.com.au/news/falcons-...621e0f9b396950 It's a bit of a market orphan these days. Which is a shame, as it has more power and torque than my aussie-made six pot. Last edited by anobserver; 03-05-2018 at 06:57 AM. Reason: Spelling, article reference |
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As the other family models evolved, got bigger & more powerful the customer was spoilt for choice in a car manufacturers own lineup. When the new cash cow arrived ie the crossover suv, it was final curtains for some certain large & mid sedans no matter how good they are & at the end of the day, the manufacturers did it to themselves unfortunately, ie near bankruptcy & the need to cull the much loved legacy models. ![]() cheers, Maka
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With the Performance Muscle thing ... I wonder if that is how Chrysler (Dodge) will get by ... in USA brands I would suggest that have the best performance/muscle 4/5 door sedan lineup
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Toyota can carry it no problem. Its still selling in reasonable numbers. If anything there is probably more profit importing them than building them here.
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People were clutching at straws when the March sales data was released as they claimed the ZB hadn't been on sale for the full month. Now with a FULL month of sales and only a paltry number sold it appears the storm is starting to rapidly fizzle.
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many were dealers being told to buy some cars to salt some interest.. |
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its taken a while but i saw my first new commodore, it was broken down on the side of the road, on my way back a guy in an old Territory was helping him out
saw my second on my home street but still had dealer stickers on it
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I think you've hit the nail on the head. Holden Marketing has misread the situation. I can't see any die-hard Commodore customer giving this new Korean thing the time of day. The Commodore name should have been retired and these new things pitched to new customers as a new model in the line up. |
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I think its made in Germany
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That may be part of the problem, not many people would have a clue were it's made.
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Watching supercars on the weekend, and thought to my self, "there are more ZB's on the race track than the road".
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![]() But seriously, Ford back in sponsoring teams in V8SCs and teams switching to Mustang has really pulled the rug out from under ZB and any sales traction... |
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So can it be said then if theoretically Holden had a v8 etc rwd performance /sports car (Camaro) priced to match the Mustang, would it help things along sales wise or is it too late to arrest the sales dive?
cheers, Maka
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