8 cars confiscated for doing burnouts - Page 4

Wally · 08-05-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

........... I will even note that I am a lifelong Labor supporter but am seriously considering my alliegance.

About twenty five years ago I was so relieved to escape the fascist state that was Western Australia.... you couldn't move for political interference, taxes and police enforcement. I came to Queensland where the water was free, the taxes low and the cops more interested in real criminals who in hindsight were poaching their territory. Dams, power stations, mining towns and infrastructure for the future were being agressively pursued. Sunday school teacher and bible thumper Joh Bjelke-Petersen refused to have speed cameras and told people to venture south of the border into the devil's playground if they wanted to gamble. Hospital care was free regardless of medicare/medibank and you could camp on any one of hundreds of caravan parks right on the ocean foreshores.

Then the Labor Party got in at State and Local levels... the defenders of all that is good for the battler and the kitchen tables. Water tanks were banned and decomissioned, white elephant quality assurance progarmmes, meters put on the water supply to our homes, water restrictions because dam building stopped, pokies, speed cameras, traffic cops everywhere, a protected class of rampant developers (mostly ex politicians and sports personalities) who have forced sales of caravan parks to build concrete and glass, higher rates of taxation, ambulance levies, national parks levies................ and licences for every goddamned thing; you can't do anything here without paying the joining & annual fee to get a a licence to practice the work you've already been trained/apprenticed to do, they may as well tatoo the licence numbers on the wrist.

I'm thinking of leaving Oz for somewhere less over governed, like Iran.

sleekism · 08-05-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

About twenty five years ago I was so relieved to escape the fascist state that was Western Australia.... you couldn't move for political interference, taxes and police enforcement. I came to Queensland where the water was free, the taxes low and the cops more interested in real criminals who in hindsight were poaching their territory. Dams, power stations, mining towns and infrastructure for the future were being agressively pursued. Sunday school teacher and bible thumper Joh Bjelke-Petersen refused to have speed cameras and told people to venture south of the border into the devil's playground if they wanted to gamble. Hospital care was free regardless of medicare/medibank and you could camp on any one of hundreds of caravan parks right on the ocean foreshores.

Then the Labor Party got in at State and Local levels... the defenders of all that is good for the battler and the kitchen tables. Water tanks were banned and decomissioned, white elephant quality assurance progarmmes, meters put on the water supply to our homes, water restrictions because dam building stopped, pokies, speed cameras, traffic cops everywhere, a protected class of rampant developers (mostly ex politicians and sports personalities) who have forced sales of caravan parks to build concrete and glass, higher rates of taxation, ambulance levies, national parks levies................ and licences for every goddamned thing; you can't do anything here without paying the joining & annual fee to get a a licence to practice the work you've already been trained/apprenticed to do, they may as well tatoo the licence numbers on the wrist.

I'm thinking of leaving Oz for somewhere less over governed, like Iran.

I grew up on the north coast of New South Wales.

Land was cheap my parents bought 100 acres for $20,000 and even a timber worker could afford to have a house, a family and two cars.

As a kid we used to spend all the school holidays camping at Minnie Waters a nice camping spot on the beach. There was plenty of space everybody camped in tents and it cost next to nothing to camp there.

Christmas 2007 I wanted to camp there with some friends over Christmas. Not only was it next to impossible to find a spot but the price was 10 dollars per person per night and that is before you add in the cost of a National Parks sticker for the car and the cost per night of having the car there. The place was absolutely chockered with Queenslanders.

The situation gets worse every year. In 2006 when ma and some mates finished highschool we camped at Red Rock over Christmas-New Years. 2007 I couldn't do it because it was booked out months in advance by Queenslanders.

I'm a local to these beaches and I can't camp there!

Tles · 10-05-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by XR-CHIEF

so let me get this right, you car can be impounded for traffic offenses other than street racing, which is what this stupid law was introduced for? driving while unlicensed, drink driving (alright good on em) driving a modified vehicle thats illegal?

hmm
why even bother owning a car? soon your car will be crushed for not wearing a seatbelt.

2nd offence for hoon driving takes car, when every week the paper has a seriously drunk or drug affected driver who has been tried for the 4th or 5th offence and gets a fine or suspended sentence if he does some nanny course.

Maybe CAMS should hook up their driver training courses as Drivesafe Hoon retraining courses and get them as court approved punishments, under peer pressure excuse for hooning in public.

AusM · 10-05-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pattobro

... does anyone know what the laws on doing this are in melbourne? recently moved here so yeahh....

Dunno the official line, but there are cars regularly impounded for 48 hours on first, minor offence, as far as I can see, as reported in the papers.

Head to the Friday night off-street drags, club days at a track or other weekend meets if you want to let loose...

Interceptor · 13-05-2008, 09:30 PM

all im gonna say is if it ever comes to me handing over the keys of any car i drive due to some government scam enabling power drunk police to be nazi's instead of actually dealing with GENUINE criminals (yes, including the tards i see NUMEROUS times EVERY bloody day driving through the servo across the road to beat the traffic at the intersection), the new flood with be porcine and politicians blood, and i will be laughing to the end

Bobman · 14-05-2008, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

mate with all this hoon bullsh!te and the clamp down on speeding and all the doo gooders in the world, I am givin up on cars and having a decent life, cause its now more socially acceptable to take Heroin and eccies and become a thug, than to drive a nice car, and occasionally go more than 35km anywhere.... the whole of Australia needs a foot up the butt for ALLOWING the minority of morons to take control of the world....

The terrorists are winning cause dam we are almost so over controlled by these idiots in power that we may as well just live for the 2 percent of the population that makes these rules...

I AM SICK OF IT...

FFS everyone start to challenge everything...not just go YEAH I KNOW..

Excellent post mate.

So true as well. As I've had a lot of experience with the night life in Melbourne and Police operations I've seen first hand at how little value some crimes are to certain officers. Some do a terrific job, but there are others who will verbally tell you that they "don't care" if your car has been stolen and to turn up to the station.

I hear of many cases where it's easier to target motorists for petty things, rather than actually tackle real crime. It's a shame that our justice system is in shambles and sentences for serious crimes are so lenient. It feels like that you're treated as a hardened criminal for driving 5km/h over the limit and if you murder someone, it's almost an acceptable crime by justice standards.

Druggies are a whole other matter all-together. They should abolish the Traffic / Highway Patrol division and use those resources to tackle real crime, which affects people in every way, every day. I mean seriously, what's the point of having all these SS/XR8/XR6T's when chases are almost always called off. Use the money in real crime-worthy areas. Have more booze buses. Police are wearing camo gear and targetting speedsters in the Healesville area, as well as members in board shorts targetting motorists in the Lorne area. It's cunning, but if it catches those reaching insane speeds, then that's fine.

Speeding is not the main cause of fatalities. Driver distraction, fatigue and alcohol are. How many burnouts have killed someone? I can only recall one fatality in recent times, where it was related to an inexperienced driver to wrapped his Commodore around a tree in Braeside, Victoria. They were drifting in a well known industrial estate. This was due to inexperience and being a Commodore. Not necessarily "hooning". Police will argue that diffs will fall off and wheels will go flying. But a standstill need not be such a dangerous exercise.

Do-gooders deserve what they get as a result of their stupidity.

There are better things to worry about in society than a few cars ripping skids. It would be great to make some changes in Parliament and create a better world for us all. Not impose new regulations and taxes on motorists every week, for worse.

Wally · 14-05-2008, 04:31 PM

I guess this is someone who thinks burnouts are acceptable

gozza · 14-05-2008, 04:55 PM

thats awesome

fangq · 14-05-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaw

For all those that say this is a band aid solution to the problem, I want to ask a question.

After hearing about this, would YOU go and do this in these "hotspots" now?
Or even congregate in the area with your car?

If you want to do burnouts or donuts or drag race....do it a suitable location like a drag strip or supervised track.

I would wheel clamp their vehicles for a week and leave them in those areas.
I'm sure that nothing would happen to their pride and joy ay..

Steve

HPaddict · 16-05-2008, 01:41 AM

the luckiest country in the world, thats the old saying. what a load of crap, its not anymore. this country is rooted now because we all let it happen by letting bullshitting morons run the place. we are all to blame including myself, what a crying shame. whatever happened to the young aussie larrikin. now its young aussie criminals instead. i am starting to hate what this country now stands for.

exrtnz · 16-05-2008, 02:23 AM

doing burnouts is illegal, but the crime is getting caught. Theres a right place and a right time for everything.

Fev · 16-05-2008, 09:45 AM

how does having an unroadworthy car(ie VN commo) consitute as being a hoon? and i feel sorry for the GT owner, but i guess he has already been picked up before for the same thing.

Did anyone see on ACA or TT a few days ago some old woman abusing and blockading a private carpark at night from drifters? What happens to them?(she wasnt a cop, just some old bag)

HPaddict · 16-05-2008, 03:14 PM

to all the do gooders on this forum who support these laws, grow a brain, open your eyes and look at the big picture. this is all just another step closer to getting modified cars off the road, regardless if being driven in a dangerous manner or not. these laws are quickly turning the general public against modified cars, which will eventually make it more acceptable to try and ban them. i do not support burnouts on the street at all. but all these new laws will eventually also affect people who do the right thing, it will get to the point where you cant even cruize with a group of cars and all hang in one spot together as this will be considered as anti social hoon behaviour.

in WA. (i dont know how it works in the other states) bikies are not allowed to ride in a group bigger than 4 bikes without police escort. thats bloody rediculous, wheres the freedom gone in this country? at the end of the day they are just bike clubs. what they do behind closed doors really has nothing to whith anything when riding out on the street.

if they can do it to them then they can surly do it to us, with the way things are heading. very scary days. alot of bad laws start from small beginnings.

Wally · 16-05-2008, 03:19 PM

When bikies start threatening politicians and their families, it only seems reasonable the victims will use their law making ability to break them up.

HPaddict · 16-05-2008, 03:41 PM

i am not saying that bikies are not to blame for anything in their case. im merely pointing out how the goverment have the power to do what they want if they have enough public support. and its not hard to get public support with the media on your side.

HPaddict · 16-05-2008, 03:49 PM

all i say is, there is always 2 sides to a story?

red_hotxr6 · 16-05-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HPaddict

to all the do gooders on this forum who support these laws, grow a brain, open your eyes and look at the big picture. this is all just another step closer to getting modified cars off the road, regardless if being driven in a dangerous manner or not. these laws are quickly turning the general public against modified cars, which will eventually make it more acceptable to try and ban them. i do not support burnouts on the street at all. but all these new laws will eventually also affect people who do the right thing, it will get to the point where you cant even cruize with a group of cars and all hang in one spot together as this will be considered as anti social hoon behaviour.

in WA. (i dont know how it works in the other states) bikies are not allowed to ride in a group bigger than 4 bikes without police escort. thats bloody rediculous, wheres the freedom gone in this country? at the end of the day they are just bike clubs. what they do behind closed doors really has nothing to whith anything when riding out on the street.

if they can do it to them then they can surly do it to us, with the way things are heading. very scary days. alot of bad laws start from small beginnings.

So you are telling me that if i take, lets say an EB falcon, modify this car, inside and out get it certified then drive it on the road, OBEYING the road rules, get stopped on the road because "it is done up to the teeth" and legal that it is going to get taken off the road, I DONT THINK SO, use your head, it is mainly the younger guys and girls doing up there cars and dis OBEYING the road rules that get caught and give the actual car modifier a bad name. That is why yesterday a certain person lost his licence for 5 years, because he got caught HOONING. Prove me wrong....go on...and yes i have a brain...thanks...

Bad Bird · 16-05-2008, 07:33 PM

If that is what you think... I'm so sorry.

I guess you've never been on the bad side of a cop with an agenda. They will get you for ANYTHING.

ZDHLANE · 16-05-2008, 08:10 PM

I agree with Yaw's comments. Unless Kellog's were inviolved in a promotion where you send in three tokens to get your license,

After hearing about this, would YOU go and do this in these "hotspots" now?
Or even congregate in the area with your car?

MadMaximus · 16-05-2008, 08:26 PM

Anyone see this on the news tonight???

Everyone says that there is the right time and place but this guy obviously chose wrong.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=564203

yift · 16-05-2008, 08:51 PM

got to be a stupid idiot to be speeding on lygon st at 2pm.

MITCHAY · 16-05-2008, 09:00 PM

I can't even begin to understand what the big thrill is in doing burnouts. Suck a fat one is all I can say

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red_hotxr6 · 17-05-2008, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad Bird

If that is what you think... I'm so sorry.

I guess you've never been on the bad side of a cop with an agenda. They will get you for ANYTHING.

No i havent but then they have to STOP me for doing something wrong first, dont they, well hopefully.Have been stopped liked a lot of people for a breathalyser but nothing so...

4Vman · 17-05-2008, 07:49 AM

Things like this don't help the cause:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...46-661,00.html

Keepleft · 17-05-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Things like this don't help the cause:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...46-661,00.html

Your right of course, and despite ALL the discussion on internet forums, in the media etc about the dangers of driving like an idiot, which has bugger all to do with posted or default speed-limits, dumbarses? will continue as always to make serious behavioural mistakes.

Government reaction is to then treat all like such.

Highway Police need to be on patrol, I don't care if that means in unmarked or marked units. NSW HWP need to be freed from GD's and white paper. No planned blitz like strategy, but individual HWP given the freedom to 'roam' the jurisdiction/state - at will and leasure during their shift.

Bobman · 17-05-2008, 10:07 AM

There's a bit of a difference where that Commodore was excessively speeding in a cramped inner city street, compared to doing 5km/h over the limit on a freeway with light traffic.

Also, there was another accident where a car ran off the road and killed it's sole occupant. Those types of crashes are common, yet they're always shoved down to the bottom of the page or never commented on? Wonder why? Because GovCo and Police don't want you to know that there are other reasons why crashes occur.

HPaddict · 17-05-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

No i havent but then they have to STOP me for doing something wrong first, dont they, well hopefully.Have been stopped liked a lot of people for a breathalyser but nothing so...

a simple licence and vehicle check is all they need to pull you up or any other reason they want to make up, then its a matter if you get a good copper or a grumpy ******** to where it goes from there. you dont have to do something wrong to be pulled over anymore, wake up dude. far out people can be so trusting, this country is not in good hands.

HPaddict · 17-05-2008, 03:19 PM

heres a quick example, your out in your modified car you pull into maccas theres a heap of other cars there that have run a muk a bit earlier (eg
: couple burnouts in car park) so anyway you go through the drive through get your food and as you are leaving the coppers rock up and pull you over hassle you out and accuse you of being involved with the group, then find some pathetic reason to defect your car, is that fair? NO but does that stop it from happening NO. and over the years theres been people blamed for other people doing burnouts just because they had a similar looking car and were in the area. ive been driving hot cars for over 20 years and this crap has happened so many times, thats where the laws are not a good thing.
if you get caught doing the deed then fine, but it still leaves it all too open for the laws to be abused by the officers in other situations.

4Vman · 17-05-2008, 03:27 PM

I can't for the life of me understand why people are concerned about being pulled over by the police, if you've done nothing wrong and you're car is legal its just a simple polite exchange and on your way... some people draw attention to themselves, arc up and wonder why they get a hard time..

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HP-0351 · 17-05-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HPaddict

heres a quick example, your out in your modified car you pull into maccas theres a heap of other cars there that have run a muk a bit earlier (eg
: couple burnouts in car park) so anyway you go through the drive through get your food and as you are leaving the coppers rock up and pull you over hassle you out and accuse you of being involved with the group, then find some pathetic reason to defect your car, is that fair? NO but does that stop it from happening NO. and over the years theres been people blamed for other people doing burnouts just because they had a similar looking car and were in the area. ive been driving hot cars for over 20 years and this crap has happened so many times, thats where the laws are not a good thing.
if you get caught doing the deed then fine, but it still leaves it all too open for the laws to be abused by the officers in other situations.

exactly, i had a BLOWN Mustang impounded purely on the fact that the cops said they saw me do a burnout!

i got the car released early (2 weeks) and then took the matter to court in which I WON!

they had no evidence other than their verbal statement...oh and the in car video camera just happened to be out of order when this incident occurred...how handy is that!

i had the servo attendant as a witness as he saw me leave as he was outside refilling the water buckets and supported my story in court

sadly i dont think many other car guys are going to have that luxury...

the cops CAN and DO get it wrong and thats where the problem lies with these laws...

in my case the only thing i can gather is that they wanted to make an example out of me as a deterent as i was at a known car hangout where they have had problems with younger car guys

plenty of cars will get impounded wrongfully purely as its up to the officers discretion...which isnt always correct, then you have to prove otherwise.

cheers,

Roy