The Latest In Electric Cars

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by five 7

Should rename this the ICE Doomsday thread...

Some will successfully transition (Mach E?)
Some will be too late and half-hearted.
Google - TSLA


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[five 7]

So glad i lived in the days of the internal combustion engine, when cars had character, basically a lifestyle what lies a head looks bleak and controlled and boring, nothing better than going out to the shed and working on or modifying your car sure beats tv. I imagine ice powerd cars will be the outlaws of the future. Not sure what it is but Elon seems to have the touch of a snake about him, just don't trust him or like all the control he wants over us.

[davship]

Originally Posted by five 7

So glad i lived in the days of the internal combustion engine, when cars had character, basically a lifestyle what lies a head looks bleak and controlled and boring, nothing better than going out to the shed and working on or modifying your car sure beats tv. I imagine ice powerd cars will be the outlaws of the future. Not sure what it is but Elon seems to have the touch of a snake about him, just don't trust him or like all the control he wants over us.

Dont worry mate, the ICE still has many decades of use yet.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by davship

Dont worry mate, the ICE still has many decades of use yet.

Just so long as the foreign manufacturers keep supplying Australia.
Beijing, Mumbai, Paris etc have indicated future bans and we have zero influence in board decision making.
The confidence of the shareholders will be their priority .


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[ryeman]

Daimler and BMW as an EV joint venture.........?


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[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by five 7

So glad i lived in the days of the internal combustion engine, when cars had character, basically a lifestyle what lies a head looks bleak and controlled and boring, nothing better than going out to the shed and working on or modifying your car sure beats tv. I imagine ice powerd cars will be the outlaws of the future. Not sure what it is but Elon seems to have the touch of a snake about him, just don't trust him or like all the control he wants over us.

You can still ride a horse and drive a steam powered vehicle. People actually do it as a leisure activity!

[five 7]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

You can still ride a horse and drive a steam powered vehicle. People actually do it as a leisure activity!

Sweet can't wait till what I like is classed as a leisure activity I'm sure you will blindly let it happen

[five 7]

Just quietly Ryeman what EV do you own.....

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by five 7

Just quietly Ryeman what EV do you own.....

Own - 2019 Vitara FWD.
Ordered - Model 3 ......it’s getting late.

but keep it just between us....ok
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[five 7]

Originally Posted by ryeman

Just so long as the foreign manufacturers keep supplying Australia.
Beijing, Mumbai, Paris etc have indicated future bans and we have zero influence in board decision making.
The confidence of the shareholders will be their priority .


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Can you enlighten what future bans these might entail and can't we control, all three don't inspire confidence, not sure why...

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by five 7

Can you enlighten what future bans these might entail and can't we control.

It’s all about declining unit sales .......and with more stringent emissions controls in the pipeline (the RAV4 has to halve it’s CO2 emissions by 2030) plus increase unit costs (from higher expenditures carried by fewer units manufactured) and then add, effectively, geofencing (banned from big foreign cities due to particulates/severe smog).......the end-of-life timeline has been drawn by those city administrators.
The boards know it’s over and are now desperately planning a painful transition simply for survival.
Then there is full autonomy to compete with Tesla who have a trillions of bytes of data lead already.
We are in the high tech age no longer the industrial age.
The model has been smashed.



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[ryeman]

The modern version of data from a dongle -
(just a glimpse)


https://youtu.be/6rq-ZBSLbL4


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[five 7]

Didn't realize Bejing/Mumbai Paris were championing green views for the good of the world must have missed something somewhere, from what i can work out they are all ecological Poo holes...

[ryeman]

Canadian Infinity dealer has a problem satisfying a loyal customer -


https://carbuzz.com/news/infiniti-de...t-have-evs-yet

(I guess Nissan/Infinity got the message)

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[ryeman]

A 360 without going anywhere -


https://electrek.co/2019/12/25/watch...urning-radius/


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[roddy1960]

On the China thing . Just looked it up to find their population growth rate percentage now is a lot less than most countries They are about 159th at (0.6%) per year . Australia is closer to average at about 1.6% but with China approaching 1.4 billion people that's still a lot of folk joining the world . My maths calculates that at approaching 8.5 million increase a year..

Whatever they do have ramifications for all of us I guess .

Was surprised to see recently too that North Korea despite all the posturing of their maniacal leader that their population is actually about that of ours around the 25 million mark . For some reason I thought they'd have a lot more people.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by ryeman

A 360 without going anywhere -


https://electrek.co/2019/12/25/watch...urning-radius/


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That's impressive...Geez..

[Falcon SXR8]

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/24/polic...nals-11956349/

What a waste of money, should have just ordered some cyber trucks from elon for $150 a pop

[ryeman]

Eliminating that fear in Victoria -


https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...26-p53n0f.html


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[Franco Cozzo]

I notice my GPS is now showing EV charging stations on the map - there appears to be a station inside Melbourne Airport.

[Franco Cozzo]

Tesla's 'Made in Germany' dream: Elon Musk takes on car giants by setting up shop in Berlin

https://www.theage.com.au/business/c...14-p53afg.html

Our Government should be offering spondoolies for an EV manufacturer to set up design and manufacturing operations here in Australia - we've got a skilled workforce experienced in manufacturing, I imagine the ex Ford, Holden and Mitsubishi crew would go back to it if offered the opportunity.

SA Government already has an existing relationship with Elon Musk/Tesla.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.theage.com.au/business/c...14-p53afg.html



Our Government should be offering spondoolies for an EV manufacturer to set up design and manufacturing operations here in Australia - we've got a skilled workforce experienced in manufacturing, I imagine the ex Ford, Holden and Mitsubishi crew would go back to it if offered the opportunity.



SA Government already has an existing relationship with Elon Musk/Tesla.

You’re being a bit naive there Franco .
The governments (most) are working diligently on taxing certainly not promoting clean energy because it’s (counterintuitively) on the nose.

Anyway Honda says EVs are not that much in demand -


https://electrek.co/2019/12/26/honda...-in-ev-demand/


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[ryeman]

The heart of the matter - new age technology:


https://electrek.co/2019/12/26/tesla...istry-cheaper/


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[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by ryeman

You’re being a bit naive there Franco .
The governments (most) are working diligently on taxing certainly not promoting clean energy because it’s (counterintuitively) on the nose.

Anyway Honda says EVs are not that much in demand -


https://electrek.co/2019/12/26/honda...-in-ev-demand/


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Honda - started my automotive career there going on a decade ago as of next year.

If there is a company that went from strength to dead in the water its them, remember the cars they made through the 1980s/1990s and early 00s?

NSX
EP3 Civic and DC2/DC5 Integra Type R
S2000
Legend

Forefront of technology - innovations such as 'VTEC', engines like the B18C, K20/K24 and F20C

Then all of a sudden they dropped the performance stuff in an attempt to emulate Toyota and the white goods market and spent 20 years recycling the K20 and K24 engines in fridges on wheels that have no soul - like red heads

Even the white goods specialist themselves is making moves to clean up their image and bring some excitement back to entice younger buyers.

There's an opportunity to jump onboard if someone in Government shows initiative, but there's a shortage of initiative in Australian society let alone running the show in Federal Government.

Its easier to manipulate property prices to keep capital gains taxes and stamp duty rolling in and set up cameras fining drivers for using their phones then actually make things or export ideas through building sustainable business

[ryeman]

Couldn’t agree more.
I had the first civic in ‘73, American speed shops were turbocharging them from the start - they were bloody unbreakable and with the first Californian low(er) emissions CVCC heads.
Today they are white goods in comparison.
We now seem to take pride in knowing nothing.
It’s more than sad.


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[Franco Cozzo]

I posted this elsewhere in the forum but the Nissan Note ePower NISMO S really appeals to me:







Its an EV but its not plug in, only has 1.5kWh battery bank, the 1.2L 3 cylinder engine is just a generator to keep the battery charged that powers a 100KW/320NM electric motor.

I reckon this and the old Holden Volt are good candidates for entry into EV, no range anxiety, no modification to house power infrastructure, fill it up at a servo and away you go with 1.2L 3 cylinder engine humming away like V/Line's VLocity 160 train

http://www.j-spec.com.au/featured/20...smo-18095.html

JDM car but they're available on the market sub $30K landed now.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I posted this elsewhere in the forum but the Nissan Note ePower NISMO S really appeals to me:

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Its an EV but its not plug in, only has 1.5kWh battery bank, the 1.2L 3 cylinder engine is just a generator to keep the battery charged that powers a 100KW/320NM electric motor.

I reckon this and the old Holden Volt are good candidates for entry into EV.

http://www.j-spec.com.au/featured/20...smo-18095.html

JDM car but they're available on the market sub $30K landed now.

Yeah, but at my age I want maximum usage from a car which (in my life) will never age beyond battery chemistry.
Up front it’s BMW low spec 3 series but there is a ROI the longer it’s kept, currently calculated at 7 years.
The ‘base’ model gets yet another OTA update making the basic autopilot even greater capability.
Tesla just keeps on giving........and that’s a massive threat.


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[ozpacman]

So one would hope that the ICE in this car is very economical in its use of fossil fuel.

Otherwise, what we have is just another petrol-powered car running a different method of power transmission.

This includes a battery that is made from stuff that has to be mined from beneath the earth.

I'm all ears - but at this stage I'm unconvinced.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by ozpacman

So one would hope that the ICE in this car is very economical in its use of fossil fuel.

Otherwise, what we have is just another petrol-powered car running a different method of power transmission.

This includes a battery that is made from stuff that has to be mined from beneath the earth.

I'm all ears - but at this stage I'm unconvinced.

What it will do is keep the dealership model on ‘servicing’ life support.

The big problem facing the old world is transitioning with minimal conflict. There are just so many conflicting interests seeking protection......then there is the oil industry.


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[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by ozpacman

So one would hope that the ICE in this car is very economical in its use of fossil fuel.

Otherwise, what we have is just another petrol-powered car running a different method of power transmission.

This includes a battery that is made from stuff that has to be mined from beneath the earth.

I'm all ears - but at this stage I'm unconvinced.

We could probably look at the Holden Volt fuel economy for a comparison:

https://www.caradvice.com.au/286923/...volt-review-2/

They seemed to average 2.3L/100km in testing during the review.

Povvo spec Nissan Note ePower indicates 2.9L/100km with theoretical range of 1300km in its marketing press:

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...review-111177/

NISMO variant has more powerful electric motor (100KW/320NM).

To put those fuel economy figures into perspective they're less than half of what my TDCI Focus does, which when it was stock, was 103KW/320NM rated from factory so they're dead on equivalents with whats under the hood.

I'm getting around 800-900km per fill from my Focus, I do about 700-1000km/week - lower end if I'm just going to work and back, higher if I start doing things on the weekend.

The difference is the electric motor is going to give you that 320NM and 100KW from 1 RPM - I imagine it would be nicer to drive.

Price wise the Focus cost me $26K DA as a runout model in 2011, albiet new rather than circa 20,000km on the clock so they're about equivalents on price taking into account inflation over the past 8 years I've owned it.

I think there is merit in these type of EVs until battery technology gets better and cheaper - I could certainly make it work in my case as a daily driver.

While it still uses the traditional ICE - its probably more efficient using it at its peak efficiency point running a generator rather than connected to the wheels via a gearbox working across a range of idle - redline where its going to range between least, most, least efficient.