cops using camo nets to hide behind! In ...VIC!

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by jaydee

A quick google and came up with this, you must have been on the roads on a quiet day.

Out of the 42,642 traffic fatalities in the US in 2006, the State of California ranked number 1, making it the state with the most number of car accidents in the country.

The top 5 states and the corresponding number of accidents in 2006 are as follow:

California 4,236
Texas 3,475
Florida 3,374
Georgia 1,693
North Carolina 1,559

It also has the highest population out of all US states, which is almost double the population of Australia.
They also have the most amount of road vehicles.
They also have a higher alcohol allowance. 0.08

There are many reasons why they have the most deaths in the US

But by how fast they drive, the Australian government would have you believe they are all dead.

[Ford_The_Win]

I don't understand why some of you are getting so worked up about the stupid cameras. The fact is, they aren't going away any time soon and there's nothing any of you can do about them, so why bother?

[EDManual]

I dont care about speed cameras myself, why speed past a parked car even if its not a speed camera car? You deserve a ticket, thats dangerous!
Its the hidden cops in the middle of nowhere that annoy me, as they are the ones that will catch someone doing something that wont hurt anyone.
A mate of mine got caught by one lying down behind a mound in long grass with his laser gun, he jumped out onto the road for him to stop. Surely that brake test was enough to show that the speed my mate was doing was not dangerous!! That was in the middle of NOWHERE! 6 months walking after that...

[BadMax]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

I don't understand why some of you are getting so worked up about the stupid cameras. The fact is, they aren't going away any time soon and there's nothing any of you can do about them, so why bother?

Why get worked up? Because speed camera's are being used to fight road trauma which is a complete lie. TAC have been caught out lieing to the public, spending millions of tax payers money in advertising campaigns that don't work and once again the lie in.

No, the cameras will not go away, but there should be legislation about thier use and stricter controls.

Can we do anything about it? Of course we can! Enough public pressure in the misuse of cameras will result in action.

[Kil4Collingwood]

The problem is for the people screaming "don't speed and you wont get fined", is that when the revenue drops you can bet your house speed limits will drop to catch people in the net again.

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[Kable72]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

For what reason do you have to look hard for speed traps???

Obviously you are the person the police are looking for, as you are suggesting you are too busy speeding and looking to try and not to get caught, to concentrate on other road users and what is going on around you, so you are too 'busy' to pay attention as you are looking for speed traps

Great argument that speeding is safe there mate, you should be a road safety expert

I was not referring to myself in anyway, shape or form. People, being the keyword in both this and my previous post, are already on the lookout for speed cameras regardless if they speed or not as there is only a small margin for error to get a happy snap of your licence plate. What's going to happen when you make them harder to see? They are going to devote more of their effort towards looking for the harder to spot cameras than paying attention to the road.

Again, not referring to myself.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by flappist

One point that is almost always overlooked it that Police have a duty to uphold the law, regardless of just how useless or stupid it is.
They don't make the laws, they just uphold them.

Remember it was in the Moomba parade in Melbourne some years ago when Victorian Police officers seized a car painted like a one pound note and actually charged the driver with counterfitting.

Now the way to fix any law that is not effective and just revenue oriented is to take on the politicians.

A couple of years ago the Brisbane City Council under the leadership of the current Premier decided to no longer allow motorcycles to park under bridges and in small blocks of useless land in the CBD as they believed it looked tacky and was interfering with revinue from the parking meters.
Motorcyclists banded together (as we do) and one Saturday morning parked out the entire CBD with one bike per car space and moved them on every hour so as not to get a parking fine.
This brought the transport in the CBD to a screaming halt and if it had been a weekday would have cost millions in lost shopping revenue and inconvenienced lots of public vegetables.
Brisbane does not have trams and the public transport system is fragile and overloaded on a good day.

the Council got the message and decided that the several thousand commuter bikes could continue to park under bridges etc. as it was a better solution than an extra couple of hundred dollars a day.

Internet links to either of these claimed events?

(sorry but these days I find more and more ficticious statements are made to support arguments)

[prayamanti]

very sneaky!!!! but then again just do the speed limit!

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by EDManual

"The road is so narrow there's nowhere a marked car can sit with the speed camera," he said.

"And if a police car takes a speed from an oncoming vehicle, the drivers know there's not many places we can turn around and give pursuit.

"So there was an element of riders and drivers who really saw the area as a law-free zone."

If they can't pursue, they don't need to hide. just have another unit down the road, who they radio and tell them their speed. But since this is about revenue, it'll cost too much to have extra police on duty.

It sounds like Victoria (and every other state) needs a road like Nordschief (the long nurburgring track). sure you have to pay, but so long as it's cheaper than a speeding ticket, you come out in front.

[roberts]

a good diver understands throttle control, just make the needle read what the sign says. I prefer to either leave the pack at the lights or let the pack pass, I realised it wasn't a race when nobody was going to my destination.

[roberts]

Originally Posted by aus880

Internet links to either of these claimed events?

(sorry but these days I find more and more ficticious statements are made to support arguments)

its the Internet its all fake

[Dave3911]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

If they can't pursue, they don't need to hide. just have another unit down the road, who they radio and tell them their speed. But since this is about revenue, it'll cost too much to have extra police on duty.

It sounds like Victoria (and every other state) needs a road like Nordschief (the long nurburgring track). sure you have to pay, but so long as it's cheaper than a speeding ticket, you come out in front.

If you'd pay attention to the thread that is EXACTLY what they do. This operation involves offenders being speed checked and video taped at a point in the road that is renowned for dangerous behaviour (such as Mono's and overtaking on double whites) and that info is radioed ahead to MARKED units who pull the offenders over.

Whilst this thread has degraded into another conversation about the effectiveness of speed cameras, the actual police operation that sparked the conversation has nothing to do with speed cameras.

[joolz]

Correct me if im wrong. But if speed really kills why is it record numbers are being caught not to mention the ones that aren't. Yet the road toll is declining....

I have never heard any road minister or police chief suggest that car safety has anything to do with the reduction in the road toll just like compulsory wearing of seat belts in the 70's achieved.

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by joolz

Correct me if im wrong. But if speed really kills why is it record numbers are being caught not to mention the ones that aren't. Yet the road toll is declining....

I have never heard any road minister or police chief suggest that car safety has anything to do with the reduction in the road toll just like compulsory wearing of seat belts in the 70's achieved.

You are being very naughty & provocative now, imagine applying logic to a purely emotive argument.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by aus880

Internet links to either of these claimed events?

(sorry but these days I find more and more ficticious statements are made to support arguments)

Look it up yourself, don't be lazy.

The Moomba one was on a newsreel that has bees shown many many times, originally at cinemas and more recently on television.

The motorcycle one was in real life not facebook.

It is frightening that we seem to have a whole generation of people who cannot accept anything is real unless it is on youtube or google.......

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by roberts

a good diver understands throttle control, just make the needle read what the sign says. I prefer to either leave the pack at the lights or let the pack pass, I realised it wasn't a race when nobody was going to my destination.

I speed, you speed, everyone speeds. It is absolutely impossible not to speed. Drifting a few K's up and down the limit is good driving and keeping with the flow but it is still speeding and still comes with a fine in the mail.

Everyone who drives a car breaks the law every singe time they drive a car. That is reality. The point being ...... you see a police presence, it is a reminder to check your speed. Hidden camera's or police do not stop anyone from speeding. 4 weeks later you get something to tell you that your were 1 in 1000's speeding that day over 3'ks per hour ..... but it didn't stop you then, nor the next day, nor the next, nor the next .... etc

Not a good idea to tell everyone to have good throttle control while I know you speed. That's the sticking point for those who blindly follow the 'Don't speed" line. Its just lucky you haven't been caught ..... that's all.

Originally Posted by joolz

But if speed really kills why is it record numbers are being caught not to mention the ones that aren't. Yet the road toll is declining....

Makes you think doesn't it ....... good point

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

I speed, you speed, everyone speeds. It is absolutely impossible not to speed. Drifting a few K's up and down the limit is good driving and keeping with the flow but it is still speeding and still comes with a fine in the mail.

Everyone who drives a car breaks the law every singe time they drive a car. That is reality. The point being ...... you see a police presence, it is a reminder to check your speed. Hidden camera's or police do not stop anyone from speeding. 4 weeks later you get something to tell you that your were 1 in 1000's speeding that day over 3'ks per hour ..... but it didn't stop you then, nor the next day, nor the next, nor the next .... etc

Not a good idea to tell everyone to have good throttle control while I know you speed. That's the sticking point for those who blindly follow the 'Don't speed" line. Its just lucky you haven't been caught ..... that's all.

Makes you think doesn't it ....... good point

Totally agree, majority will speed subconsciously at times but for the ones who do it intentionally throw the book at them..... no mercy.

[Ford_The_Win]

Originally Posted by flappist

Look it up yourself, don't be lazy.

Flappist it's up to you to support your arguement not the other way around. You can't expect someone just to take your word for it when you are trying to argue your point. If you make a claim you should have evidence to support it, it's not up to the other person to disprove you.

[Sprint]

looks like a good place to pull over and have a slash in the bushes.

[roberts]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Not a good idea to tell everyone to have good throttle control while I know you speed. That's the sticking point for those who blindly follow the 'Don't speed" line. Its just lucky you haven't been caught ..... that's all.

Makes you think doesn't it ....... good point

I don't speed, I don't worry about being caught speeding. Having time management skills does help this

[roberts]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

Flappist it's up to you to support your arguement not the other way around. You can't expect someone just to take your word for it when you are trying to argue your point. If you make a claim you should have evidence to support it, it's not up to the other person to disprove you.

this isnt a court room, take it for what it is

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by roberts

I don't speed, I don't worry about being caught speeding. Having time management skills does help this

Never done 72 in a 70 zone? Really? Amazing must say. Never met anyone who could do that safely. Congrats

[roberts]

[QUOTE=Auslandau;4627659] Drifting a few K's up and down the limit is good driving and keeping with the flow but it is still speeding and still comes with a fine in the mail.
/QUOTE]
I should also add that I dont give 2 ***** about the flow of traffic, I drive my own game as explained before (lose them at the lights or "wipe of 5" and have no traffic) it takes discipline and throttle control. (like keeping your finger off the trigger till you need to).

[Stagg]

Originally Posted by Sprint

looks like a good place to pull over and have a slash in the bushes.

On a road trip up the hume, gotta pull over for a minute and have a wizz on a tree

"Mate what did ya **** on me for?!?!?"

"Well what the hell are you doing dressed as a tree? I didn't know you were there!"

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

Flappist it's up to you to support your arguement not the other way around. You can't expect someone just to take your word for it when you are trying to argue your point. If you make a claim you should have evidence to support it, it's not up to the other person to disprove you.

I really don't give a rats bum whether you believe me or not.

And YES IT IS up to those who disagree to disprove me.

Again, another of the "if it is not of facegooletube" it never happened generation. It amazes me how many gullable people would rather believe some totally unknown and unverifiable source on a random web page than an eye witness.

There are lots of members on here who are aware of the Moomba event possibly some who were there at the time but as it was the early 60s or late 50s there will not be many.

As far as the Brisbane event, there are also a lot of Brisbane members on here, ask any of them about the motorcycles parked all over the CBD and the protest in 2008.

[Gaz]

Given they have impounded a ******** of bikes in this one place i'd say it's a targeted response.

In this case I don't have a problem with the tactic, clearly it's a situation where people ride like idiots at stupid speeds on blind corners. They deserve to be caught.

This on a main freeway is a different situation.

There is a difference between general driving / traffic, going 10km/h over the limit and going to a specific piece of public road to do 50+ over the limit.

[vanman_75]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

If they can't pursue, they don't need to hide. just have another unit down the road, who they radio and tell them their speed. But since this is about revenue, it'll cost too much to have extra police on duty.

It sounds like Victoria (and every other state) needs a road like Nordschief (the long nurburgring track). sure you have to pay, but so long as it's cheaper than a speeding ticket, you come out in front.

You can drive faster on the road , and corners to the race track ...I was full pin in hire car and getting overtaken LOL , max I got on track was 190 , needs faster car next time if its still open:( ...but yes I agree its an awesome idea but it won't happen , do gooders would end it before it started

[xxx000]

well there's nothing on google i could find,should I try the library next?

I'm probably older than you and appreciate facts not internet or talkback 'stories' that are often just urban myths that become 'fact' by repetition. A newspaper article link or similar would suffice to back your stories. I note no further mention of Moomba by you,

Please consider yourself disproved using your 'logic'

as stated the story has been changed throughout this thread to suit various posters purposes, it was a simple but effective police operation targeting high speeds and dangerous driving/riding behaviour on a particular stretch of road.
Yes fines raise $, so it's the dreaded 'revenue raising' but police don't operate at a profit and besides fines help towards discouraging certain behaviours

[flappist]

Originally Posted by aus880

well there's nothing on google i could find,should I try the library next?

I'm probably older than you and appreciate facts not internet or talkback 'stories' that are often just urban myths that become 'fact' by repetition. A newspaper article link or similar would suffice to back your stories. I note no further mention of Moomba by you,

Please consider yourself disproved using your 'logic'

as stated the story has been changed throughout this thread to suit various posters purposes, it was a simple but effective police operation targeting high speeds and dangerous driving/riding behaviour on a particular stretch of road.
Yes fines raise $, so it's the dreaded 'revenue raising' but police don't operate at a profit and besides fines help towards discouraging certain behaviours

Really? No mention of Moomba? If you read google as well as you read the forum I can understand why you can't find anything at all.

[mr smith]

Just like the pokies, cigarette tax etc, speed cameras are an idiot tax. Yup, partake all you want, think you are smarter than the man, all thats going to happen is you will pay.
Saves them getting the revenue from elsewhere, speed cameras are good news.