The I6 is to go, will this make you look away at other options for your new car??

[Perana]

Obviously sleekism and Falcon Freak and a number of others would rather the FoA didnt secure its future with this.. Go buy a Camry/Aurion.. oh wait that has a V6 too...

[schmidty]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

1 am with you 100%.

FF

Dude i've read your posts in all the threads, but now the avitar and text beneath it, really, its just a friggen engine!

Some people really need to get some business sence, and maybe some further insight into the motives are reasoning behind the decisions made by directors and the powers the be. How long can a company continue to run at a loss without looking seriously at cost cutting measures within. From what i heard tonight from an internal source, Ford have been asked to look into the feasability of producing the engines locally, and it hasnt been ruled out yet.

Did you seriously think the I6 was still going to be in production in 20 years time? And do you seriously think they are going to replace it with a lesser engine? Some people cant accept change, nor care for profitability over heart. These people will be left behind in life.

Look at the uproar of the loss of jobs at Ajax fasteners. How long does a company run at a loss before saying enough is enough. Everyone wants a job, but if you turned around to the workers and said hey, you can all come on board as share holders, put the title to your house up as a surity in the business, so if we make a profit, its yours as a share holder, if we take a loss, it comes out of your house, seriously, who would have been back the next day!

In all honesty, from a business and profitability point of view, would you gamble your house on the future sucess and profitability of the I6?

Ford have given the workers 3 years notice. Any worker in the engine plant who hasnt started looking, or thinking about looking for a position elsewhere in the compny or somewhere else needs their head read, or is holding out for a package and retirement.

Buy a falcon in 2010, then keep it for 10 years, thats 13 years until you'll have to face reality.

[schmidty]

Originally Posted by mr_br_johnstone

My fellow Australians.

Well done for forgetting and neglecting the time and effort Ford of Australia put into giving us a tailor made engine, that makes the Falcon the best car in Australia. An engine that can pull all day every day through hell and high water, for hundreds of thousands of kilometres. With trailer or caravan, uphill and down. With roof rack loaded and the kids and the dog. This was the one basic ingredient that makes a Falcon what it is. An Aussie six! Long live the Barra! At least the second hand ones will be avaliable for the next 30 years!

So does a landcruiser. And gets better economy.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by Perana XR8

Obviously sleekism and Falcon Freak and a number of others would rather the FoA didnt secure its future with this.. Go buy a Camry/Aurion.. oh wait that has a V6 too...

I'm just stating the obvious:

That Ford Australia is taking the fall for Ford North America.

It's like someone with a graze on their elbow giving up their life to prolong a retarted cancer patient with no arms and legs.

[schmidty]

Originally Posted by sleekism

I'm just stating the obvious:

That Ford Australia is taking the fall for Ford North America.

It's like someone with a graze on their elbow giving up their life to prolong a retarted cancer patient with no arms and legs.

Um, no, it's a global company. It'd be like someone with an infected foot. Take the necessary steps to fix it and cure the infection and that foot can continue to work for the benefit of the rest of the body, and be an effective tool for mobility. Leave it until it gets gangrene, and you have to cut it off, so as not to risk the long term health of the entire leg and ultimately the body.

[Bobman]

I Hope Ford falls over now, after the Orion, once the I6 is gone. Without the straight six, the Falcon would be just another V6 crapheap, it's a very poor decision and pathetic that the workers didn't find out until the Media ran a front page article.

[lukey039]

I think this decision sucks as well.I am surprised that most think its a good idea what Ford have done.Not only are we talking about loosing a engine that is tough,reliable and most of all easy to work on but what about all these jobs that going to be lost?Australia is pretty much "Come one come all and buy out our businesses,our ideas e.t.c"."Why would we need an economy,and a place to work lets import instead, just gives us more money for the share holders". Mitsubishi has been going to close down nearly every year but they fought back with the 380 to keep the Australian built car alive,I surpose the same goes for the billion dollar VE. But O no Ford can't handle the pressure.They did the same thing when they deleted the V8 back in the 80's ,Holden took over and finally when Ford is starting to get some following especially the the XR6T they go and shoot themselves in the ***.Emissions aren't that hard to meet,especially with global assistance.Didn't Ford Australia convert a truck engine in the states into a world icon in its day,i.e one 351 GTHO. So why can't they pull finger all over again?

[Perana]

If you have actually read the media release Ford's intention is to retrain and redistribute people throughout FoMoCo.. couple that with retirements and i doubt there would be that many job losses.. Despite what the media actually says

[schmidty]

Its the exact reason we arent competitive in bugger all. Go mining, it's the only thing we can still make money on. We're not competitive with much else on a global scale than what we can extract from the ground, and it's only due to worldwide demand.
Can you seriously say Mitsubishi saved themselves from going under with the 380? Know anyone that bought 1? Would you buy 1 to suppost our local economy if ford chose to not build an I6 anymore if it meant more money stayed local? Yeah right.
How many people actually put their wallet where their mouths are? What are all the people on the forum doing buying focus' and fiestas and any of the other imports if the money mostly goes offshore? Because they suit their needs, their lifestyles, their budgets, and the choice of engine is usually only comared to the equivalent model variants from other makers. Ever heard someone say "well i'd buy a focus if it had an I6 in it so i'll settle for an astra instead?" Nup, you compare apple with apples. As long as Ford put something back in thats comparable with holdens apples, they'll still sell.

[cupic]

Its seem a lot of ppl wear there Hearts on their sleeves ,which is gr8,but the simple cold hard truth is that Ford global bite the bullet and we all must move on. The current I6 has a life span of 40yrs++.So now is the time to see and wait to see the nxt generation.

cheers

[Full Spectrum]

If mum and dad come under financial pressure and have to sell up and move into a new home, As there kids we must go with them.

[MITCHAY]

Still amuses me how lots of people are quick to bag this V6 which is 3yrs away!

As I said in the other thread I think a lot have misplaced hate because the Holden V6 is crap and put it down to configuration rather than engineering.

This V6 could be better than the I6 and you won't know until you've driven one.

[Bipolar]

Originally Posted by schmidty

Its the exact reason we arent competitive in bugger all. Go mining, it's the only thing we can still make money on. We're not competitive with much else on a global scale than what we can extract from the ground, and it's only due to worldwide demand.
Can you seriously say Mitsubishi saved themselves from going under with the 380? Know anyone that bought 1? Would you buy 1 to suppost our local economy if ford chose to not build an I6 anymore if it meant more money stayed local? Yeah right.
How many people actually put their wallet where their mouths are? What are all the people on the forum doing buying focus' and fiestas and any of the other imports if the money mostly goes offshore? Because they suit their needs, their lifestyles, their budgets, and the choice of engine is usually only comared to the equivalent model variants from other makers. Ever heard someone say "well i'd buy a focus if it had an I6 in it so i'll settle for an astra instead?" Nup, you compare apple with apples. As long as Ford put something back in thats comparable with holdens apples, they'll still sell.

True, and that's the reason I almost get excited when I find something that says "Made in Australia" on it when most everything these days seems to be made in China where the cheap labour is. Apart from loving Fords, the next biggest selling point for me is that it is Aussie made. It's the same reason I pay more for Bonds shirts, Dairy Farmers milk, Coon cheese, and try to avoid all that generic stuff Coles and Woolies produce overseas. Bugger the cost - I want these companies to still be here for our kids and keep the cash in our country. It's just a shame that an Aussie motor company that knows what they're doing have to cop it for their parent companies who seem to be like naive little children in comparison.

[ECOJET]

guys.. the i6 is nice, and is going to have a MASSIVE future, even after 2010, the RB30 only lasted one single model here and look what happened with that.
BUT, a V motor is superior to a inline motor in every way only besides the fact aussies wont be making it. bring it on.

[Bobman]

I wouldn't call a V motor superior in this configuration. Having driven both on numerous occassions, I always preferred the simplicity of the inline 6.

Having driven many BMW's including the turbo 335ci, I'm glad they'll still be sticking with it, V6's are junk in every way.

[SVR73]

Right on bobman. V6's also sound like vacuum's

[Perana]

Right on bobman. V6's also sound like vacuum's

Go listen to an Alfa or Cosworth V6.. or hell even a nice Essex V6

[the_judge]

At least we still have out inline 6's for the life of the cars we own now. And then we can restore them.

Whats happening is a harsh reality.

Ford must move forward. Life must go on.

I woke up this morning, and i didnt go to work. I was a little sad that something AUSTRALIA HAD BUILT was to be taken away. I walked out to the car after a sleep in and I popped the bonnet and looked over that slab of metal, that brilliant inline 6. I gently pushed the bonnet back down then hopped into the car.

I fired it up. I thought "hell yeah" and pretended it was my last drive in a falcon inline 6 - it certainly felt like it. I breathed deep as i allowed it to warm up, boyz.

I was ready to drive it today. Let me tell you. The sound was a roar as I pushed the accelerator down again and again. The sports exhaust let everyone know exactly what i had under the bonnet. It was not a symbol of a Lion, the car literally MUST have had Lion under there WITH A MEGAPHONE. The car is never a pussy cat and its claws are sharp - falcon claws known as Talons. Inline 6 power, bellowing in the street, as if i were some a-hole.....but no, i was just a car enthusiast who loves rwd and inlines going together; high school sweethearts....

I threw it over to performance, let the stall converter do its work and turned the wheels... planted it....wheels screeched and she turned around in a 180 swing. Planted it again and she roared up the street, 50 meters and 60km/h easy before i got to the stop sign. A brief pause and I tore into the engine again before tearing up the street and waking up every god-damned Holden owner in this fking area....(theres a few who drive old vn/p/ts and sported them up and even a few old toffs who thought the VE was a goer, crap v6 and all).

Sissies....i laugh at the sound their engines make, and they stare in awe at mine. As far as the sixes go around here, you bow at mine when it drives by, and you dont take me at the lights, you wait for me to leave less you are embarrassed by me (i am not a stand over merchant teenagers and youngsters just place chicken when they drive commies by me. They know me.)

They know me alright. I am the ford man. Inline 6 beast-master.

Up a hill from a standing start - forget it! You cant beat me.

Flat ground and with a jump on me - forget it! You cant beat me.

When i want to pull a trailer or other heavy load - i do so with confidence.

When I need to overtake on the highway for some reason - dont try and speed up to stop me, you wont be able to out-pull my car. A few engine tweaks and its probably not euro compliant anymore but who cares, its a capable I6 with 400+ torque....drop down a gear or two and it PUUUUULLLLS

____


I just wouldnt be able to do all this without the inline. It sounds awesome, it goes hard right from the get-go. It caries a family too and it pulls a load, and is never left wanting, up a hill, for haulage, for transport - EVER.

Ford, you better re-create all of that with a V-6. The duratec 3 years from now looks promising.

Sure, we will miss the uniqueness of the i6 and it may be for the worse in some regards but overall, you better make it for the BETTER.

Only time will tell. But i wont be selling my inline 6 ever now, and i wont be buying new ford until they convince me after a test drive.

[FlipXW]

looks like we could loose upto 30% of our enthusiest's come 2010 :

[XAGSV8]

Originally Posted by PhilXR8

looks like we could loose upto 30% of our enthusiest's come 2010 :

If its a simple engine change that causes so called Ford fans to move to another brand then they were not Ford fans to begin with. Good thing is we might loose some of the dead wood from here.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by XAGSV8

If its a simple engine change that causes so called Ford fans to move to another brand then they were not Ford fans to begin with. Good thing is we might loose some of the dead wood from here.

How is it a simple engine change when this is the first time a Falcon will ever be produced with a V6, come 2010? It's like suddenly living life without an eye, or having permanent long hair, etc.

Can't see the Falcon surviving much longer past 2015 either.

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Still amuses me how lots of people are quick to bag this V6 which is 3yrs away!

As I said in the other thread I think a lot have misplaced hate because the Holden V6 is crap and put it down to configuration rather than engineering.

This V6 could be better than the I6 and you won't know until you've driven one.

Most think VN V6 and don't go past that. That's 19 years ago. I drove a VE Calais over 1200km and couldn't be more impressed with the engine and especially it's economy.
My brother owns a BA Fairmont, It sits behind my mums VP and my VT.. And he has been saying for years ford has to drop the I6 and go V6..

Originally Posted by Bobman

How is it a simple engine change when this is the first time a Falcon will ever be produced with a V6, come 2010? It's like suddenly living life without an eye, or having permanent long hair, etc.

Can't see the Falcon surviving much longer past 2015 either.

Your not going over board are you ..
Come 2010 without a engine change you might be seeing a Taurus as Fords family car in Australia.. Still won't an eye with that?.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by PhilXR8

looks like we could loose upto 30% of our enthusiest's come 2010 :

Not really enthusiasts. Let me rephase that.......Not really Ford fans. However they are people who don't understand "Business & the global Automotive industry".

With all "due respect" to those that are now saying "Ford are sh!t. I hate Ford. V6's are cr&p, etc".

See ya....................... join LS1 :

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by PhilXR8

looks like we could loose upto 30% of our enthusiest's come 2010 :

Good ridance i say, anyone that narrow minded to jump ship without knowing what is replacing it and how it will perform is more suited to the Holden i say.... that's if they're old enough to hold a licence or havent already lost their licence...

[05MkIIFutura]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Not really enthusiasts. Let me rephase that.......Not really Ford fans. However they are people who don't understand "Business & the global Automotive industry".

With all "due respect" to those that are now saying "Ford are sh!t. I hate Ford. V6's are cr&p, etc".

See ya....................... join LS1 :

You dont get it, do you!!!!

30% are saying that if the Falcon has a V6, then they are likely to look at the other V6's on the market because there MAY be a better option. Get over yourself and the fact that some "enthusiasts" enjoy the engine type and it was an factor in choosing the Falcon!!.

For christs sake!!!

[05MkIIFutura]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Good ridance i say, anyone that narrow minded to jump ship without knowing what is replacing it and how it will perform is more suited to the Holden i say.... that's if they're old enough to hold a licence or havent already lost their licence...

Read post above and try and get those cogs upstairs working.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

30% are saying that if the Falcon has a V6, then they are likely to look at the other V6's on the market because there MAY be a better option.

Yeah Ok mate I must be dumb.....

Show me the 30% of member posts that say what's in bold above.

I MAY be wrong.........

[TUF270]

yea bit childish

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

Read post above and try and get those cogs upstairs working.

Hopefully 4Vman's cogs are not as rusty and clogged up as some. Hey ?

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Good ridance i say, anyone that narrow minded to jump ship without knowing what is replacing it and how it will perform is more suited to the Holden i say.... that's if they're old enough to hold a licence or havent already lost their licence...

Doubt that very much we don't wont them either.