60kph over = Instant jail

[Outbackjack]

Someone travelling at 140kph is far more alert than someone travelling at 100kph over extended periods of time. From personall experince, I am much more alert travelling at 160kph ( this was my usual cruising speed if I had my wife and kids on board, 210 - 220 is more doable with no passengers) If I am stuck in VIC doing 100 everywhere, all I want to do is pull over and take a kip. Speed limit conditioning is dangerous.

[DOC]

Originally Posted by Hunter

no way would I want to be doing 140 km/h on one if some idiot veered onto the wrong side of the road.

I think your right re the idiots, going back to old school days just for a little while, back then people learnt to drive to their ability, and the main rule applied to roads was common sense where people turned their brain on before the car.

Today we have the people who watch need for speed , tokyo drift and even play these games on their pc etc, this creates a false sense of i can drive, this combined with a wonderful thing our govt's have discovered called revenue means now those people amongst us ( old or young ) that engage common sense will be subject to the revenue business created by govt to catch our tokyo drift drivers, and there will squat the real drivers can do but try and work within the stupidity of it all and as a result we suffer stupid speed limits and fines.

[RIPGMH]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Someone travelling at 140kph is far more alert than someone travelling at 100kph over extended periods of time. From personall experince, I am much more alert travelling at 160kph ( this was my usual cruising speed if I had my wife and kids on board, 210 - 220 is more doable with no passengers) If I am stuck in VIC doing 100 everywhere, all I want to do is pull over and take a kip. Speed limit conditioning is dangerous.

My sister lives in Holland and her 19 yo daughter looks more at ease with sitting on 150 than most people do here at 110. I know we generally treat higher speed with higher levels of concentration and I am a supporter of increased hiway speed limits but I think after people got used to them the same level of concentration/attention would apply.

[Walkinshaw]

Only one thing worse than a reformed smoker, thats a reformed speeder.

What a joke of a thread

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by RIPGMH

My sister lives in Holland and her 19 yo daughter looks more at ease with sitting on 150 than most people do here at 110. I know we generally treat higher speed with higher levels of concentration and I am a supporter of increased hiway speed limits but I think after people got used to them the same level of concentration/attention would apply.

If what you are saying is that when people get used to travel at 150 or so, then they would adopt the same attitude as if they were at 100 ??? Perhaps, but from my experience, the slower I go, the slower my brain works. I have done lots of high speed country driving up here and I have not noticed myself loosing concentration. But then perhaps as I consider myself a driving enthusiast who treats every drive as a learning experince, but only wipes his butt the same way every time, makes me (and probably everyone that reads this forum) different from the driver that has the same attitude to butt wiping as driving.

I am heading up to Darwin next month. My first time since the speed limits have been posted. I wonder what it will be like crawling along at 130 instead of the usual adrenalin pumping speeds.

[DOC]

Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

Only one thing worse than a reformed smoker, thats a reformed speeder.
What a joke of a thread

Here's a Joke

View Poll Results: Do you think jail for 60kph over would work? Yes 16 20.78%
No 45 58.44%
Yes, but with other changes too 10 12.99%
No, but I think it should happen anyway 6

The question say's " Do you think da de da"
and one option is " No "( meaning it should not happen ) followed by " but i think it should happen any way "

6 confused puppies so far.

[RIPGMH]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

If what you are saying is that when people get used to travel at 150 or so, then they would adopt the same attitude as if they were at 100 ??? Perhaps, but from my experience, the slower I go, the slower my brain works. I have done lots of high speed country driving up here and I have not noticed myself loosing concentration. But then perhaps as I consider myself a driving enthusiast who treats every drive as a learning experince, but only wipes his butt the same way every time, makes me (and probably everyone that reads this forum) different from the driver that has the same attitude to butt wiping as driving.

I am heading up to Darwin next month. My first time since the speed limits have been posted. I wonder what it will be like crawling along at 130 instead of the usual adrenalin pumping speeds.

I've done my fair share of trips to pre-limit NT and I can tell you the first few hours of sitting on 180kph is pretty stimulating but after a while you become accustomed to the speed. Like any speed be it 60 or 160 my attention didn't wane but you do lose that edge as you become used to it. I'm not exactly sure what the "butt wiping" has to do with high speed driving but good luck with it.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by DOC

The question say's " Do you think da de da"
and one option is " No "( meaning it should not happen ) followed by " but i think it should happen any way "

6 confused puppies so far.

Who are the knuckleheads that voted for anything other than NO?

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by RIPGMH

I've done my fair share of trips to pre-limit NT and I can tell you the first few hours of sitting on 180kph is pretty stimulating but after a while you become accustomed to the speed. Like any speed be it 60 or 160 my attention didn't wane but you do lose that edge as you become used to it. I'm not exactly sure what the "butt wiping" has to do with high speed driving but good luck with it.

I have found that in the XR8 at 180+ I have to stop for fuel every two hours. I always spent a couple of minutes stretching and will grab a coffee or a coke. That way concentration is not an issue for me. Music that pumps you up helps as well.
An interesting thing with open speed limits is that if you do feel a little less than on top of things..... you can always slow down.

You need to read the earlier posts in this thread to get the butt wiping theme.....

[MYVYSS]

Originally Posted by Bearman

No Jail!!! Still, 60km/h over any speed limit cannot be justified by any way of thinking. A very big fine and a long holiday from driving would be appropriate.

By any way of thinking?

So a child sufferering (insert medical illness/bleeding) its 2am in the morning, already been told and ambulance will take 15 minutes to get to you, cause of funding shortages, plus too busy with the heroin addicts.....and you live approx 8 minutes from the Hospital..but have to travel through a double lane road, that the governemnt deemed only appropriate at 50km/h Its a perfectly clear night and you can see the hospital at the end of the 10km stretch of road, and there is NOTHING else around or in sight.... Dont know about you but I would be sitting on about 150km/h to get my kid to hospital...is it justified...TOTALLY!!!

Yes I know its a perfect situation, but even a less than perfect situation would warrant it..Sheesh Yeah 50 km/h zones are great but a near NEW Holden/Ford/Mitsubishi/Toyota and all the other makes vs and 1970 Insert Sh!t bomb car here travelling at high speed can and does stop Cars have been getting safer and safer for the last 20 years, and yet the only way the speed limits have changed is to be Lowered...its a load of crap...Everyone has been brainwashed into thinking, slower will save lives, slower will do this, the only thing is does is create more lower speed accidents and complacent driving...I know when I am driving at a higher speed, I am on a higher level of alertness and wide wide awake, looking for things...when going slow...Dam I may as well be asleep behind the wheel...

WHy did I run up the @rse of the car in front...simple I was too busy checking to see if I was 3 km/h over the speed limit cause if I was the Government deem that speeding and a danger...and then want to charge me 200 bucks.....

[merlin]

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

The reason I suggest/ask this, is that there is no need for 60kph over the limit. Some people can try to justify the rest of the speeds, but 60kph+ is not justified...

Your opinions?

OK definatly not justifiable in areas under 100km/h but if you are talking out of cities and country driving (which most of Australia is) then I think it can be justified. I just returned from a ski trip to Perisher. Anyone familiar with the one lane 100km/h road coming back would know, there is a heap of coaches, semi's ect. holding you up. Not a lot of overtaking opportunities and when there is you dont have a lot of vision or space - so indicator on, mash the pedal and pass the bus/truck as fast as you can to get back safely on your side of the road. I wasn't looking at the speedo during these overtaking passes, far more concerned about getting myself safely back onto my side of the road. I would estimate they usually contained bursts of up to 140, though if you found a truck bearing down on you then I can imagine 160 would not hypothetically have been out of the question. All it takes is a copper to ping you at that and you are in jail for passing a bus on a country road.

Jail is for criminals and B grade celebrities.

[troppo]

Threads like this are useless.
After reading only the first page it's obvious the ignorant wish to remain ignorant and the enlightened get frustrated at the ignorant for doing so.
All you nee to know is: SPEED DOES NOT KILL, nor does it cause accidents. Changing speeds rapidly is the killer, and while speed is a factor in the severity of an accident should one occur, actual causes are always to do with attepmting to drive beyond the capabilities of the driver/vehicle.
Trick question: Is 240 km/h a safe speed?
Ans: it depends what you're driving and in what conditions.
In a Citroen 3CV on public roads driven by Joe Average....very very unsafe.
In an performance car on a closed track driven by...The Stig...safe enough for it to be regularly screened as entertainment.
Look at the differences between the two examples...speed is not one of them.

[351ciofgrunt]

I think its a stupid idea

The road rules are already too strict as they are.

[red_hotxr6]

You have asked this question, and just this instance i have heard on the news, 2 holdens, street racing have ended up hitting another car and killing someone. Now from what i just heard, yup they are doing well over the 60 kms, they have killed some one, send them to jail and DO NOT GIVE THEM BACK THERE LICENCE. These guys didnt have a lapse in memory, it was premeditated..and thats for any make or model they are driving.

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

Only one thing worse than a reformed smoker, thats a reformed speeder.

What a joke of a thread

So people aren't allowed to learn from their mistakes?

[Eb Barbie]

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

I tell you what, when a driver in a car hits a politicians kid in a school zone, and they were doing 60kph over, this rule will come in... or they will at least try...

yeah I agree, it normally takes something like that to happen to someone 'higher up' in the world for action to be taken. I don't think the jail thing will come in but definately loss of license for quite some time, fines, court and living with the fact they may have killed someone would be the punishment.

[red_hotxr6]

Originally Posted by Hunter

So people aren't allowed to learn from their mistakes?

Not at the cost of someones life, 60kph over the speed limit is a heck of a lot of speed.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Who are the knuckleheads that voted for anything other than NO?

Good question!

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

Not at the cost of someones life, 60kph over the speed limit is a heck of a lot of speed.

I realise that but I was getting the impression from Walkinshaw that he thought people who once were speeders or hoons aren't allowed to comment on hooningspeeding because it makes them hypocrites somehow.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

Im not sure what your talking about when you say "the above conditions?????"

The pole and whole topic is about mandatory jailing of people for speeding, and I say that the idea is outrageous

I think it was fairly obvious that I was talking about the conditions that I listed mate, Didnt you read my post???????

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by gs1973

Stop rabbiting on with childish dribble. No I would just like to not hit the pole at all. You have a magnetism to poles do you?

Insults when you cant come up with a response.

Who did you say was "rabbiting with chidish dribble"??????

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

I think it was fairly obvious that I was talking about the conditions that I listed mate, Didnt you read my post???????

I would have thought it was fairly obvious that I didnt mate, nor could I find any "conditions list" in any of your posts.

Care to enlighten me and re ask the question??? as at the moment Im in the mind set that youve already had too much of whatever your taking, or not enough of what you should be.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

No speed alone doesnt cause accidents, there a many contributing factors,driver experience,weather,road conditions,quality of vehicle etc.

Speed is one of the contributing factors though,if you were driving in the above circumstances how would you drive??? Would you be more likely to slow down to suit the conditions or would you plant your foot???

Afterall, the accident needs to happen first,and according to you speeding in the above conditions wouldnt enhance the likelyhood of an accident.

And where in my post did I say jail was the answer????

Look closely at the top paragraph.

And then look closely at the second paragraph, I ask you a question.

I hope you can work it out this time.

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

Look closely at the top paragraph.

Your a moron, thier not conditions...... you listed subjects

Originally Posted by FORD3V

driver experience,weather,road conditions,quality of vehicle etc.

In this situation I would plant my foot, (assuming that by "the above conditions" you mean the following).............. me driving (with experiance), sunny weather, great stretch of tarmac, nice newly run in performance vehicle..........

Jeeze, plat my foot would be an understatement, Id give it a thrashing if we were in the middle of nowhere

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

Your a moron, thier not conditions...... you listed subjects

In this situation I would plant my foot, (assuming that by "the above conditions" you mean the following).............. me driving (with experiance), sunny weather, great stretch of tarmac, nice newly run in performance vehicle..........

Jeeze, plat my foot would be an understatement, Id give it a thrashing if we were in the middle of nowhere

Reading your previous posts if you were an inexperienced driver, on a road full of pot holls in wet conditions in a 1970 datsun with bald tires you would still plant your foot, because speed doesnt increase the risk of crashing.......

[robbo_yobbo]

no I wouldnt, because the potholes would shake the hell out of the car, and being a 1970 datsun would probably fall appart, and it would be a newsance driving over them at any more than 10kph......

Whats the point???

[HOON69]

ever seen a person who hasnt EVER been infront of the courts ever in their life time,get jailed over such a stupid thing as a fine,thinking his spending 3 days in jail and all will be alright,24hours into his term,his skull is caved by a frozen 2 litre water bottle
all because he looked at someone the wrong way.

i guess if you think it should mean instant jail then its obvious you know SFA
ever seen the court system back up with BS reports and fines etc
ever seen how over crowded jails are

ever seen what happens to a person who goes in for a fine, but comes out knowing how to get away with arm robbery,murder etc

i dont think any traffic offence under speeding should be a jailable offence,i understand if it was DUI,dangerous driving(causing death or bodily harm)

its BS i i dont think it'll work it'll just place small time crims in wit the big time felons
does more harm then good.

my 2 cents

[kyro_02]

I agree... you go in good, come out bad..that's the way the cookie crumbles

[Bearman]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I suppose that you’ve never given any of your cars a squirt on some lonely back road to see what they’d do?

Yes I have but I also know there is no justification for it. I always had in the back of my mind if I got caught I'd wear it, no arguments.

[ED Classic]

Well if your going to do this why not just let the Police stick a gun in your face for a license check like they often do in the US? I am far from anti American but that is one thing that doesnt work over there. They have the power, and do that to pottentialy innocent people which is wrong (Legalised Mafia), then people get depressed or the wrong attitude against Police, or even take drugs, Then more Police get killed or injured, then jails fill up to the point of them having to release the lower threat crims as they are having to do in California and LA now...And so the visious cycle begins.

I dont know about you people but I dont want to see the day that we are like the US and I am coming home from the Movies with the missus minding my business and some Police officer wants to throw us on the ground and cuff us while they search the car.