FPV confirms new V8 for 2010

[calais]

Im fairly disappointed to see that the GS falcon will be branded as an FPV product. It just doesnt fit what the GS brand was, and how it is still percieved. And as for Rod Barretts constant girly "dreams" of a GTHO, he is aggravating more people than he would be enticing.

IMHO the GS should have been released as an option package on the Ford branded falcon lineup, and open up to buyers a range of other options that are typically not available, be it an LSD, colours, stripe packages, brake packages, sports interior options, engine variants (both 6 and 8 cyl), transmissions and the like.

The idea was that the GS was always about buyer choice and could be had on anything from a Falcon 500 to a Fairmont was obviously what made it a success. Had it been just a dealer decal special (which is what FPVs "special editions" have been perceived as) I seriously doubt that would have had the same following, either when the vehicles were new or right now when they are revered as being somewhat more individual than a GT of the same era.

Whereas once upon a time, a working man, could afford something just that little bit special, when he was buying his GS equipped Falcon 500, FPV will price it out the demographic which made it a legend.

I can say hand on heart, I would have bought a GS if it was going to be offerered as a personalised option for a new falcon, but now, its branded to a company with no affiliation with the real meaning of the badge, and I'm not convinced that they will do it justice.

Its also why I want Rod Barrett to stop dreaming about a GTHO. Because FPV wouldnt do it justice. Ever. I believe it should be branded as a Ford Product and continue with the legacy the name carries. And if all this "One Ford" BS comes into fruition, the time to get working a GTHO is now. Not in four years time when falcon turns into a FWD shopping trolley like the mondeo.

[Polyal]

Wow, this is a first, I agree with a guy who has a GM product as his username. Nice post.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Sam

My head is starting to hurt in here, i'm buying a new V8 (XR8) when its released next year, at the moment it appears the FPV GS may be my only option, although i was certain that it was announced that only 250 would be made. Have i missed something as to what would replace both models after the XR8 is gone and the 250 FPV GS models are gone??

Either one of two things will probably happen with a non GT 8.

The XR8 (Coyote) will live on and it will be like it is now.

or

FPV will have an overpriced XR8 (badged as something else and may or may not have an XR bodykit) with FPV badges instead of Ford one.

What it'll be called who knows, but who really cares its a badge.

[Lukeyson]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Wow, this is a first, I agree with a guy who has a GM product as his username. Nice post.

Hey maybe he is from France? lol
But i also agree with his logic !

[Wally]

Originally Posted by phillyc

GS300 was a Lexus...

and GT-H was the rent a racer for the Hertz Mustang ?

[BrisVegas]

Shame they've canned the Focus. My dream Ford garage would have an RS Focus as my sports car and a luxxed out GTE 5.4 as the family cruiser. I'd take an RS over an EVO/STI/R20/S3 any day, assuming they're all in the same price bracket $55-60k.

I'm not surprised by the ignorance about the Focus RS. It's not a family sedan and it's not RWD, so probably isn't on the radar of a lot of people.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by snappy84

I do realise there the same price bracket i just dont think the xr5 comes near it for fit,finish ,styling i thought the rs might do better against it .

Styling is a personal preference.
I am not sure you understand the point of the these cars. Fit and finish are not exactly what these cars are all about, they're performance hatches based on budget donor cars. Yes the Golf is head and shoulders above it's competitors in terms of quality but if that's what the buyer is to look at then the WRX and Renault would never sell a car. I wouldn't go and say the ST/XR5 or RS are bad quality cars either, they're built well, are solid, reliable cars that offer decent technology and gadgets. I should know I have had a XR5 for nearly 2 years.

An settle down i also thought a riced up fwd car would appeal to kids . I can allready picture it with neons and rear end full with sub woofers.

An if its for a track car there a handful of cars that would smoke it for the price bracket.

Again your generalisations are way off and are so dated, you might want to go out like I said and look at the market who would spend the $$ on these cars. While you're at it, actually read up on what the RS is all about. How many GTis, R32 Golfs and XR5s are there with neons and doof doof? I could go ahead and generalise like you, all ute drivers are fifth generation inbred rednecks who drive around town with some form of country music blaring from their stereo.

What do you define smoke it and what cars are you indicating?
It's time around the Top Gear track indicates it holds up well, even edging out the VXR8 that is RWD and V8, oh no. It also did a 8min 26s lap around the Nurburgring too. Which isn't too shabby for a hatch.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by calais

Im fairly disappointed to see that the GS falcon will be branded as an FPV product. It just doesnt fit what the GS brand was, and how it is still percieved. And as for Rod Barretts constant girly "dreams" of a GTHO, he is aggravating more people than he would be enticing.

IMHO the GS should have been released as an option package on the Ford branded falcon lineup, and open up to buyers a range of other options that are typically not available, be it an LSD, colours, stripe packages, brake packages, sports interior options, engine variants (both 6 and 8 cyl), transmissions and the like.

The idea was that the GS was always about buyer choice and could be had on anything from a Falcon 500 to a Fairmont was obviously what made it a success. Had it been just a dealer decal special (which is what FPVs "special editions" have been perceived as) I seriously doubt that would have had the same following, either when the vehicles were new or right now when they are revered as being somewhat more individual than a GT of the same era.

Whereas once upon a time, a working man, could afford something just that little bit special, when he was buying his GS equipped Falcon 500, FPV will price it out the demographic which made it a legend.

I can say hand on heart, I would have bought a GS if it was going to be offerered as a personalised option for a new falcon, but now, its branded to a company with no affiliation with the real meaning of the badge, and I'm not convinced that they will do it justice.

Its also why I want Rod Barrett to stop dreaming about a GTHO. Because FPV wouldnt do it justice. Ever. I believe it should be branded as a Ford Product and continue with the legacy the name carries. And if all this "One Ford" BS comes into fruition, the time to get working a GTHO is now. Not in four years time when falcon turns into a FWD shopping trolley like the mondeo.

Agree here 110%, i have always belived that the Ford Factory GT/GTHO/GS brand should remain Ford not FPV, i can not shake the thought of FPV = aftermarket goodies/sticker/badge supplier....

For me it needs to roll out of the Ford factory as a GT/GTHO/GS to be the Genuine artical, the whole idea of the GS will be lost with FPV....

Sorry, did'nt mean to wander of topic, but wanted to show my agreeance with the above post....

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by Wretched

It's time around the Top Gear track indicates it holds up well, even edging out the VXR8 that is RWD and V8, oh no. It also did a 8min 26s lap around the Nurburgring too. Which isn't too shabby for a hatch.

It's still a front wheel drive shopping trolley, no matter what laptimes it cuts.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by mcnews

It's still a front wheel drive shopping trolley, no matter what laptimes it cuts.

Which is how most will view it... and why it wouldnt sell very well...
focus is a "daughters" car....

[Luke Plaizier]

How long ago was this GS name in use? I mean, I'm 38 years old, and I haven't heard of it nor do I hold any special allegiance to what a GS is or means because it was before even my time. How many buyers out there even know that Ford once had GS in it's marketting portfolio?

I understand the desire from a marketting perspective to link Heritage to a brand, and dredging up old brands makes that job much easier, but I'm not sure I understand the heritage purism that permeates this forum.

As a target customer, in some regards I'd prefer to distance myself from being called a 'Ford' person and everything else that insinuates these days when I buy a Ford. So I don't know that the passion to keep the GS true to it's heritage is in me.

Still, while I am encouraged by the positive comments from this press release because I am a current Ford V8 owner and in a perfect world I wish my next car could be a V8, I am, however, just as disappointed, because I was being realistic and was looking to have purchased an FPV branded Australian assembled Focus in a couple of years time when I thought they were going to be made.

Pity

If the V8 comes from the factory with Liquid LPG - or from a dealer as a dual-fuel with dealer warranty - within the next 2 years, then I can see myself staying in a V8. But I don't hold out much hope.


Lukeyson

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by mcnews

It's still a front wheel drive shopping trolley, no matter what laptimes it cuts.

:
Why am I not surprised?

[GTpilot]

Why are you all bantering on about buzz boxes in a thread titled "FPV confirms new V8 for 2010".. :
Go take your girlie shopping trolley chat to another thread.

Back to V8 Falcon talk.

[magoo66]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

How long ago was this GS name in use? I mean, I'm 38 years old, and I haven't heard of it

Pretty big chunk of Ford Oz's history to miss, the GS was available from the XW Falcon 1969 through to the XC Falcon 1979. The S Pack or Falcon S was introduced in 1979 with the XD Falcon and continued until 2001 with the AU2 Faclon and pretty much offered the same options as a GS.

[#Russ#Es#]

Originally Posted by jgb

Why are you all bantering on about buzz boxes in a thread titled "FPV confirms new V8 for 2010".. :
Go take your girlie shopping trolley chat to another thread.

Back to V8 Falcon talk.

1. This discussion is in the pub
2. If you read back, there is talk about how FPV are putting all their eggs in one basket, hence the Focus vs Falcon discussion.
3. Not sure if you've heard the news, but Falcon will be a buzz box soon too (2.0 EcoBoost anyone?) so mock buzz boxes all you like...(back to the bogan goon bag for you)

[GTpilot]

Originally Posted by #Russ#Es#

1. This discussion is in the pub
2. If you read back, there is talk about how FPV are putting all their eggs in one basket, hence the Focus vs Falcon discussion.
3. Not sure if you've heard the news, but Falcon will be a buzz box soon too (2.0 EcoBoost anyone?) so mock buzz boxes all you like...(back to the bogan goon bag for you)

"Bogan goon bag", haha, Thats funny.

1) I said thread, NOT section.
2)FPV don't want to go wasting money on a product they won't really sell here in AUSTRALIA. Especially if they have to start with a completed import then spend time to strip it so they can begin modifying it. Any imported hot hatch might as well just be imorted that way and on sold with the ford brand.
3) Valid point, However a 4cly falcon will still seat 5 Mullet bearing , flannellette wearing bogans comfortably with lots of room in the boot for esky's full of VB tinnies. :sm_headba

[DJR-351]

[QUOTE=jgb
3) Valid point, However a 4cly falcon will still seat 5 Mullet bearing , flannellette wearing bogans comfortably with lots of room in the boot for esky's full of VB tinnies. :sm_headba[/QUOTE]

Bugger that!! 1 bogan in tha boot and 4 + esky in the cab....jeeeeeesus some people just can't get organised.....

[ColourHide]

So what do we have ?. 5.0 XRs, 5.8 FPVs sounds good. 298kw XR8, 335kw FPV. Sounds awesome now they just got to give it to us. The handling at the front will be so much improved with less weight over the front.

[ColourHide]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Bugger that!! 1 bogan in tha boot and 4 + esky in the cab....jeeeeeesus some people just can't get organised.....

Bugger the bogans, only room for eskys and steaks.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by #Russ#Es#

1. This discussion is in the pub
2. If you read back, there is talk about how FPV are putting all their eggs in one basket, hence the Focus vs Falcon discussion.
3. Not sure if you've heard the news, but Falcon will be a buzz box soon too (2.0 EcoBoost anyone?) so mock buzz boxes all you like...(back to the bogan goon bag for you)

1. The discussion is stated on top FPV confirms new V8 for 2010 . Pub or otherwise ... thats the topic.
2. Refer point 1.
3. Refer point 2.

So back on topic we go ......



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[bingoTE50]

Call me naive- but why is it so hard for Ford to have a 5.8 L plus motor etc .
They could build the old windsor/clevelands ( pushrod I know) 40 years ago.
Now all this mystique about the coyote possibly being 5.8 L ...wtf . In the 60's there was 460's etc ...ok 10mpg ...lol..but surely with modern technology it is not that difficult. Why the need for 5l , 5.8L or variations of .Make a 5.8 or 6 or 7 ,whatever ,just give a different state of tune and keep one engine ,surely it would be more cost effective.
What is the priorities for you guys ? Is it about the kw rating being better than Holden ? The cubes ? or just a good handling ,good looking,performance vehicle that seats five and can average 10 l/100 at 100k's at a reasonable price. The latter is mine.............

[#Russ#Es#]

Originally Posted by jgb

"Bogan goon bag", haha, Thats funny.

1) I said thread, NOT section.
2)FPV don't want to go wasting money on a product they won't really sell here in AUSTRALIA. Especially if they have to start with a completed import then spend time to strip it so they can begin modifying it. Any imported hot hatch might as well just be imorted that way and on sold with the ford brand.
3) Valid point, However a 4cly falcon will still seat 5 Mullet bearing , flannellette wearing bogans comfortably with lots of room in the boot for esky's full of VB tinnies. :sm_headba

Don't put words in my mouth, I never said FPV should have rebadged the RS. Have problems reading?

Agree, back on topic.

[ColourHide]

Originally Posted by bingoTE50

Call me naive- but why is it so hard for Ford to have a 5.8 L plus motor etc .
They could build the old windsor/clevelands ( pushrod I know) 40 years ago.
Now all this mystique about the coyote possibly being 5.8 L ...wtf . In the 60's there was 460's etc ...ok 10mpg ...lol..but surely with modern technology it is not that difficult. Why the need for 5l , 5.8L or variations of .Make a 5.8 or 6 or 7 ,whatever ,just give a different state of tune and keep one engine ,surely it would be more cost effective.
What is the priorities for you guys ? Is it about the kw rating being better than Holden ? The cubes ? or just a good handling ,good looking,performance vehicle that seats five and can average 10 l/100 at 100k's at a reasonable price. The latter is mine.............

I think its a bit of everything.

You want good power and torque.
You want performance.
You want easy not over the top technical engines. Just hit the peddle and zoom.
You want weight reduced for better steering and power to weight.

If a little less on the engineering side reduces technology, but offers a few tenths at a few pound less to the pocket, I'll hit it. Because lets be honest, who buys a v8 for fuel economy ?. You want economy by a 4 cylinder :.
Lets go hassle free, cheap, highpo light, and rip it. Cause if its not good enough to compete with an I6T it's not worth building v8s. So give us the 5.8.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by bingoTE50

Call me naive- but why is it so hard for Ford to have a 5.8 L plus motor etc .
They could build the old windsor/clevelands ( pushrod I know) 40 years ago.

The new Boss 6.2L V8 should be very reminiscent of older V8s. It has a 4'' bore - just like the 351 & Chevy 350 - so the stroke is longer than both, but it is still oversquare. It has two large valves, instead of a complex double cam with 4 small valves. This would be most like our favorite V8s of the past. And going by some YouTube vids of F150 Raptors with the 6.2 engine, it sounds SWEEEET! Perhaps the only thing it needs is Direct Injection, and possibly an AL-alloy block version for non-truck applications. Apparently, it can be increased to 7.3L in size (which is close to the 460's displacement), and there could be an EcoBoost version down the track. I don't believe the Coyote 5.0 will have a 4'' bore. I think it will be a fairly square 305, similar to the new Jag engine. Which is around 3.6'' bore and stroke I think.

[GTpilot]

Originally Posted by #Russ#Es#

Don't put words in my mouth, I never said FPV should have rebadged the RS. Have problems reading?

Agree, back on topic.

hmmm, yes well, Wrong, neither did I and Nope, not at all.
Come on mate, no need for personal insults.
Over it, Moving on....

[GTpilot]

Originally Posted by bingoTE50

Call me naive- but why is it so hard for Ford to have a 5.8 L plus motor etc .
They could build the old windsor/clevelands ( pushrod I know) 40 years ago.
Now all this mystique about the coyote possibly being 5.8 L ...wtf . In the 60's there was 460's etc ...ok 10mpg ...lol..but surely with modern technology it is not that difficult. Why the need for 5l , 5.8L or variations of .Make a 5.8 or 6 or 7 ,whatever ,just give a different state of tune and keep one engine ,surely it would be more cost effective.
What is the priorities for you guys ? Is it about the kw rating being better than Holden ? The cubes ? or just a good handling ,good looking,performance vehicle that seats five and can average 10 l/100 at 100k's at a reasonable price. The latter is mine.............

Unfortunately, these days its not all about cubes, It's not the "GREEN" thing to do.
Many of the Euros are producing some knockout grunt from small block V8's these days with modern technology. But I agree, Imagine how much they could get by applying that tech to a 7L engine. :

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by GTGTP

I was under the strong impression that all the V8s had the 5 litre engine and all were being S/C'd including the XR8. - same supercharger, just with different setups. Three levels for 3 cars - XR8, GT and the car that is on again/off again.

GT

This could be true but I highly doubt it. It doesn't make any sense when the n/a 5L has enough in it to be as powerful and a whole lot more responsive than the Boss 290 it will replace.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by snappy84

An quite shore clarkson did prove that the revonuckle does not quite work still had plenty of torque steer . Just being fwd tells me it was built for a budget not built for passion.

That's one of the stupidest things I've heard.

Some people want FWD some want RWD. It designed to be the best performing FWD around, for people who have that sort of passion. There are allot of performance FWDs that have had as much, if not more money spent on developing them, compared to RWDs. Also FWDs are competitive in many racing series in the world.

But one-eyed brogan's cant understand points of view, its FWD so it must be a cheap, nasty bag of doggy-doo.


On the main topic, 351 GT! Lets hope...

2011 GTHO would be awesome, who cares about people with rose glasses. No one complains about the Mustang GT500 being around :

[GT]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

This could be true but I highly doubt it. It doesn't make any sense when the n/a 5L has enough in it to be as powerful and a whole lot more responsive than the Boss 290 it will replace.

My understanding is they struggling to find power in the 5L and currently they are unable to find as much power as the current XR8. People here are quoting power figures that the motor is making in the US but be mindful that we have different fuel quality, emission and exhaust regulations, which impact.

Cheers
GT

[BENT_8]

My crystal ball says...

302GS n/a

351GT s/c

428HO s/c if it happens(Bill Bourke anyone?)

As i mentioned 6mths ago.