QLD Easter : 1 Km over Speed Limit Ticket!!!!!!

[Professor Farnsworth]

i was looking at some video we took from about 1992, when we had 75KM/h speed zones.. and 65 and so on. Bring em back!

[renegadeous]

While I'm on a rant I think they should keep their 1 km and change the licensing requirements. On top of your test you should be certified a) drive on a highway properly and overtake / slow down and read the road when you get off the main federal highways b) A basic maintenance check. Tyres, fluids and how to change a tyre c) how to tow a trailer and carry a load safely. Now I reckon that would sort do more than 1km highway signage. Learn to read road conditions and drive accordingly. Lost on a lot of people these days.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by CFOUR

I recently had a (high Ranking) cop tell me that 30%-50% of the people they employ are inept but the pickings are so slim they have little to no choice in staff.
They genuinely need quality recruits but the dismal pay and situations like this damaging there credibility wont help the situation.

I've been saying that for years... Anyone with a double digit IQ would not ever consider being a plod these days...... That speaks volumes...

[graham7773]

Stop whinging about it and turn your cruise control on. Your average speed will improve and you will get there quicker with out risking your job, money and licence. I have been back and forth from Sydney to Brisbane a dozen times in the last few years and my cruise is set 3k over the speed limit to allow for built in slow speedo reading. I have gone through numerous speed cameras, lasers, average trip recorders and not been booked in the last 24 years. Bring on double demerits, fines or whatever. If revenue concerns you, have a look at the financials of the various state road/rego/licencing authorities. Makes police fine revenue look like piggy bank change

[renegadeous]

Originally Posted by graham7773

Stop whinging about it and turn your cruise control on. Your average speed will improve and you will get there quicker with out risking your job, money and licence. I have been back and forth from Sydney to Brisbane a dozen times in the last few years and my cruise is set 3k over the speed limit to allow for built in slow speedo reading. I have gone through numerous speed cameras, lasers, average trip recorders and not been booked in the last 24 years. Bring on double demerits, fines or whatever. If revenue concerns you, have a look at the financials of the various state road/rego/licencing authorities. Makes police fine revenue look like piggy bank change

You weren't that fella with his legs sticking out the window on the news last Christmas were you? Sorry mate, couldn't help myself.

[ILLaViTaR]

Lol what a good way to make money.

[BHDOGS]

FFS people if you can't mantain a set speed without looking at your speedo every 5 seconds
Get the **** of the road as that's the least of your problems hate fines all you want but seriously I'm sick of the look at my speedo line all the time are people really that ******* useless

[burnz]

Originally Posted by GCRXR6

It's clear that you don't understand Anatomy and Physiology. Have a little research study before you make such quotes.

.05 BAC is the same BAC regardless of weight. A 50 kg person would require less alcohol than a 120 kg person to reach that level, but both will be effected physiologically to approximately the same level at .05. Females require even less due to fat content.

you also have trouble reading posts, depending on what state you live in,,0.05 or 0.08.
your drunk in one state safe in another.

[Kevxr8Leexr6]

To me , it appears that any state that is or going into a debt ridden state seems to pull out any way of funding to prop itself up. nsw being the worst broke state. qld after mother nature ripped her apart . easiest form of revenue collection, fuel , smokes , grog and traffic offences.

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

No cop with half a brain will waste his time fining someone 1 km over, not when there's bigger fish to score.

I commute 100km each way in a 110 zone. Usually sit on 122indicated although back it off 3 for the hiding spots.
Double demerit time I reset to 118 indicated and wipe off 3 at the hiding spots.

My speedo indicates 2 over actual, confirmed on 4 th Jan when I found a motorbike cop with lidar sitting in a new spot which just happened to coincide with a stretch of road where I liked to speed up. 133 indicated and the lidar had 131. A very pleasant if wallet lightening encounter. Wished him well as the encounter finished, 11-20 over.

[Bearman]

Speeding = very easy money for Govco. Simple as that. Orchestrate a very carefully planned campaign to ram it down our throats as THE cause of carnage on the roads and baby seals dying en masse to justify and protect the revenue stream and there you have it.

Driver training? Physical prescence and enforcement of bad driving behaviour by actual Police? Maintaining and upgrading roads to a better standard? Forget this, it all costs money. That is the bottom line. That's it. Govco will not accept any argument that threatens their revenue stream. End of story.

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by renegadeous

I miss the old days where you pretty much had three speed zones. 100km 80km and 60km. Yeah everybody took a bit of liberty on a good stretch of tar but I reckon it was safer doing that, then constantly trying to work out if your GPS is reading the correct speed of if it's dropped from 100 to 90.

Too much time now spent on trying to work out if you are doing the right thing rather than doing the sensible thing as in the past.

Did we have GPS back in the good ole days ???
Bit hard to compare then to now, the cars ,that we have now even in povo pack will wipe the floor with just about anything shy of top of the range from back then
I remember goin up the bruce highway on brissie northside taking on a LH torrie, he ran out of puff at 170, I went round like he was parked,in a skyline silo way way back in the old days,do it now get caught id be treated worse than a mass murderer ......
The way they parade , its a worse crime to possibly project an injury or death than it is to commit the injury or death
We will slap ridiculous fines for speeding ,even the minutest amount of speed over the limit because you "Could" possibly injure someone or kill them ......
Whats next ban ,or fine you for carrying anything,as anything used incorrectly could cause harm to others
Easy targets,money spinner , that's all

[MAD]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Victoria .... the leading state on stupidity ..... says they will NOT introduce double demerits. Why? Because they actually state that there is no evidence to prove that they have any effect on the road toll or incidents during the public holidays.

Someone is wrong .......

Nah, Vic just doesn't want the people to be scared in to slowing down for the weekend. They want maximum profits, all of the time.

[Professor Farnsworth]

is there a link to this non-double-demerit situation in Vic somewhere?

[last fairlane]

watched the news last night
they said that 100000 motorists caught speeding on the 100kph Pacific motorway that is five lanes wide doesnt that tell you the speed limit is too low for a freeway with 5 lanes when 2ks further down the motorway with the same conditions and the limit raises to 110
and as for every K over is a killer what a load of crap
I drive a 45 tonne gross truck and trailer now if I hit a Focus
Barina or even a Territory
at 101ks they all die but if Im only doing 99ks on the freeway
then they all live what a load of crap

[SB076]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

So, what would (in anyones opinion) be the most fair option for dealing with speeding on roads?

Some examples: remove double demerits, only actually fine people exceeding the limit by 10-15%, not fine anyone for speeding at all, increase all speed limits, do what they're already doing.

Rip out all speed cameras and relocate them to black spot areas - Make them highly visible and sign posted

Increase speed limits

[2011G6E]

Love the comments about the gods who think they can "maintain a set speed without looking at the speedo"...

What do you drive? Does it have some sort of audible alarm that tells you when the vehicle drifts slightly higher or lower? No...that's what a speedo is for.

I would challenge anyone to not look at the speedo and tell me if their car has gone one kilometer per hour faster or slower...you will not be able to, simple as that. No one can, not at 100 to 110kph. Modern cars are quiet and insulate you from the road noise very well..but even in our old '82 Celica there's no difference in noise or "feeling" of speed at 95 or 100.

People won't "go to court and fight"...why bother? You will be told the standard response...'The officer saw the vehicle approaching, thought it was speeding, and confirmed this with the radar device"...you are not questioning a piece of technology...you are questioning the skills of a highly trained traffic officer, who was merely backing up his suspicions with the radar/laser gun.
It's not worth taking a day off work only to be told "we're right, you're wrong, pay up...plus costs" unless you look like losing your licence. Which I believe is the whole point of the scheme...

Bring into it that no vehicles speedo is dead on, and it just breeds contempt for the laws.

Car speedometers are not a scientific device...they all have inaccuracies built in, and are affected by so many external factors that you can never be sure what you are actually doing...tyre pressures, road condition, variations in internal things of the gauge itself.
Then you have the miraculous radar and laser and camera speed detection devices...these are the only measuring device in the world of any sort that always work with 100% accuracy in all environmental conditions and never make mistakes. If you give a scientist a device and tell him to measure something, he will want a long list of things first to ensure an accurate measurement...air temperature, the location, everything aroundthe location, a history of conditions at that location, when the device was last tested, when it was last used at that exact location in those exact same conditions...etc, etc, etc...before he could even confidently give you a reading which even then will be "plus or minus" a certain amount.

Police speed measuring devices are truly miraculous, and maybe NASA and other international scientific organisations would be interested in just how they manage it with 100% accuracy everywhere...

[The Monty]

Most if not all modern cars do have a speed alert system so that you dont have to keep looking down..
But I love the mentality here. And I wont give my opinion on what I think about the whole 1km over thing, although I do agree with most of you. But back to the mentality thing I was on about.
Media release about more police on the road and zero tolerance, including a warning about you will get booked for 1km/h over.
Gets posted on AFF.
People read it, and make a mental note, and then decide to comment that it is revenue raising etc, how dare they, you know the sort.
People go out and consciously speed and get caught.
Then go on AFF and ask if they should fight it as its not fair.
Ahh the interwebs, such a pity it doesnt require the user to pass certain mental testing before using it.

[EDManual]

I was just in WA, passing road trains on some highways hundreds of km north of Perth, often hitting good speed $1.50+, by the time I pulled back in. Lucky not to get caught, but as if doing 110 past a tripple road train doing 100 is safe!
Then again if doing that is safeish, doing that when no one is there is also safish, in fact safer....

I give up on speed limits, do what you feel is right, the only problem is getting caught. Luckily in WA you can have radar detectors.

[blueoval]

If govco started fining drivers who clog up the right hand lanes unnecessarily, they would make a bundle more cash than just 1km over infringements. Especially here in SA.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by blueoval

If govco started fining drivers who clog up the right hand lanes unnecessarily, they would make a bundle more cash than just 1km over infringements. Especially here in SA.

Or better still the Federal Government took 1.5 times the revinue raised by speed cameras from the state's yearly funding and used it to improve federal roads.

That way all of the money raised would go to a good cause and the states would also be forced to contribute to building and repairing our national highways.

It is all about safety you know............

I wonder how long the speed cameras would last once they were not making the states money?

[burnz]

Originally Posted by flappist

Or better still the Federal Government took 1.5 times the revinue raised by speed cameras from the state's yearly funding and used it to improve federal roads.

That way all of the money raised would go to a good cause and the states would also be forced to contribute to building and repairing our national highways.

It is all about safety you know............

I wonder how long the speed cameras would last once they were not making the states money?

what ever happened to state lottery's where the money went to the hospital's..

if camera revenue was put to actually saving lives, (cancer research, emergency/trauma wards...ect..ect) then I suppose I wouldn't mind to much.
but not when it goes to consolidated revenue

[JACK250]

The other day I was driving up Sydney road to leave Melbourne and get onto the Hume, and found myself getting increasingly frustrated with people going below the limit. Presumably because they're concerned about getting done for speeding. I know my FG's speedo is dead on so I like to sit right on the limit. When I finally exited onto the ring road, the two left lanes of traffic were not speeding up, and getting increasingly frustrated I dropped into second, accelerated from 60 to 100 in pretty much no time and crossed the two lanes of traffic to overtake, without having as good of a head check as I usually would.

I know that my aggression with other drivers and driving is my problem, and I'm trying to deal with it, but technically I didn't do anything illegal considering I indicated with warning, didn't lose traction and didn't exceed the speed limit. So what sort of system is it where people are getting so frustrated they're doing stupid, but not illegal things, because of laws that are supposed to maintain our safety?

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by burnz

you also have trouble reading posts, depending on what state you live in,,0.05 or 0.08.
your drunk in one state safe in another.

The difference in state levels did not escape me at all. I refered to this ....so a 50kg woman is ok at 0.049
but a 120kg man at 0.051 is not?

[chamb0]

Originally Posted by JACK250

The other day I was driving up Sydney road to leave Melbourne and get onto the Hume, and found myself getting increasingly frustrated with people going below the limit. Presumably because they're concerned about getting done for speeding. I know my FG's speedo is dead on so I like to sit right on the limit. When I finally exited onto the ring road, the two left lanes of traffic were not speeding up, and getting increasingly frustrated I dropped into second, accelerated from 60 to 100 in pretty much no time and crossed the two lanes of traffic to overtake, without having as good of a head check as I usually would.

I know that my aggression with other drivers and driving is my problem, and I'm trying to deal with it, but technically I didn't do anything illegal considering I indicated with warning, didn't lose traction and didn't exceed the speed limit. So what sort of system is it where people are getting so frustrated they're doing stupid, but not illegal things, because of laws that are supposed to maintain our safety?

My guess is that the slow traffic in this area is probably due to a combo of heavy traffic (lots of trucks - today it was a solid wall of them), the roadworks on that part of the Ring Rd that have been going on for what seems like 20 years and people aren't sure whether it's 80 or 100km/h, and a preponderence of 'mature age' low confidence drivers in this part of Melbourne... I feel your frustration, I often take this route and get stuck behind people who don't speed up and merge safely into the river of trucks. Then later get stuck behind farmers in utes wearing big brimmed hats. Just gotta be patient though!

I was driving with a civil engineer friend along that section of the Ring Rd towards Greensborough, and he was saying that it's a textbook example of how to build a bad freeway.

[irish2]

I really don't mind people driving slow. Just wish they would get out of the damn right lane FFS. 3 or more lanes of 80-90km/h in a 110 zone is damn annoying.

What most people are also forgetting is that most highways built in Australia are built to an international standard for 130km/h. That is why it feels like you are crawling when doing 80km/h on a 2-5 lane highway behind numpties.

[Sprint]

There designing new cars to burst into flames if you hit 101kmh and a message comes up on your hud system "Game over".

[XR6TCraig]

Originally Posted by irish2

I really don't mind people driving slow. Just wish they would get out of the damn right lane FFS. 3 or more lanes of 80-90km/h in a 110 zone is damn annoying.

How would you feel about slow drivers if there were just one lane and no overtaking lanes for 60klm?

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

is there a link to this non-double-demerit situation in Vic somewhere?

It was a report done by the RACV last year and they have also done similar reports for years in the magazines. They agree with Govco on the situation and luckily they do take notice of the RACV for some reason. It might still be on the RACV website?

[graham7773]

Originally Posted by renegadeous

You weren't that fella with his legs sticking out the window on the news last Christmas were you? Sorry mate, couldn't help myself.

Mate, I couldn't get my legs out the window if my car was stationary and you paid me.

A simple question. Who on these forums, whining about totally avoidable fines has actually been fined in the last few days for speeding? While out on a freeway yesterday at 110kph I checked my speed several times. Time to look at speedo and up to the road again, less than 1/2 a second. No deviation in my track, maintaining my lane evenly so no problem to check my speedo from time to time.
If the speedo watchers need some help, they can buy an after market heads up display which puts the speed and other relevant info on the lower section of the windscreen. No more hanging their heads risking endangering theirs or other road users lives or property.