QLD New Cycling Laws Exposes Flaw in New CyclingLaws. - Page 4

Smoke Pursuit · 31-10-2014, 01:48 PM

Its bull**** if you ask me.

I'm sick of these arrogant bike riders riding in the lane instead of on the shoulder because they are scared of getting a puncture, that's all its about. FFS get off the road and keep left. There are plenty of roads that do not accommodate this law and there is no bearing on how far left the bike rider must keep, as far as I'm concerned the bike rider should be as close to the left of the road as possible, or within half a metre. Half the idiots that live in my area are all over the place so by the time you get to them they could have moved a metre either way anyhow, whats the driver supposed to do, put the car on a full lock into other traffic because old mate riding up the hill is snaking to keep the pace.

The way its going everyone will need a camera on their left mirror facing forward and back.

SumoDog68 · 31-10-2014, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Its bull**** if you ask me.

I'm sick of these arrogant bike riders riding in the lane instead of on the shoulder because they are scared of getting a puncture, that's all its about. FFS get off the road and keep left. There are plenty of roads that do not accommodate this law and there is no bearing on how far left the bike rider must keep, as far as I'm concerned the bike rider should be as close to the left of the road as possible, or within half a metre. Half the idiots that live in my area are all over the place so by the time you get to them they could have moved a metre either way anyhow, whats the driver supposed to do, put the car on a full lock into other traffic because old mate riding up the hill is snaking to keep the pace.

The way its going everyone will need a camera on their left mirror facing forward and back.

http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/...d-run/?cs=2452

Regardless who is at fault it is the cyclists who get hurt - cyclists are legaly allowed on the road and it would be nice to have some sort of understanding and mutual respect.

1TUFFUTE · 31-10-2014, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

Mate, I think you can get your point across with out the personal name calling attacks. Settle down

Get a hobby. Don't see you policing any other comments

and I didn't "name call attack" any one here!
I'm very passionate about this topic, where we live it's very hilly with lots of cyclists acting like LOOSERS almost everyday you pass them.
My wife for eg.....isn't the most confident driver so it pains me to think the danger she could be in with the lack of common courtesy from other motorists...whether they be cyclists or other cars!

1TUFFUTE · 31-10-2014, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BHDOGS

pottery beige has the right idea the realistic truth is if a cyclist is riding like a twat and we crash he loses im fine if im driving like a dick we crash he loses im fine. So id say im golden either way i might go to jail but im getting 3 meals a day your dead its very nice to be the right of way king in the cemetery they can even write it on your tombstone. But the facts are if your playing around things that can kill you its best to be cautious even if the person in the car did the wrong thing because your still dead hes fine.

What if the cyclist has a 5star ANCAP bike....

mechanic · 31-10-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dirty hands

in our town heaps of bike tracks and bike lanes to almost every where

yet I cant number the riders seen rolling though stop signs and red lights

even the bike riding clubs in their lycras ride side by side - wide sometimes

you have to stop or go out into the oncoming lane --for a 1 mtr clearence

Same here in Cairns, there's an extremely good network of cycle tracks, I know because I used to use them. However on the 80k/hr stretch of Mulgrave Rd cyclists persist in using the edge of the road.
Same as the gun laws and pool laws here in the nanny state, the law abiding 99.9% of us have to pay up because of the careless, couldn't be bothered .1%

pottery beige · 31-10-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Does the tough guy anti cyclist mentality held by some in this thread apply to kids riding their bikes to school or is it just adult cyclists ?

You guys should lobby your MP's I'm sure the Govt would love the tax take from all the 5-18 y/o that ride a bike to school having to registered/licenced.

how dare you bring child cyclist into this tough guy thread

i happened upon a bunch of lycras last weekend, i gave them space / went around them

and carried on with life

DBourne · 31-10-2014, 04:40 PM

Edit: Actually, not even worth it. If an admin can remove this post, that would be great.

Cheers.

MAGPIE · 31-10-2014, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

i happened upon a bunch of lycras last weekend, i gave them space / went around them

and carried on with life

Rubbish, they would have made you late, inconvenienced you, forced you into a dangerous overtaking maneuver, endangered you and your entire family's life (even though they weren't in the car) plus they would have all being talking about you behind your back calling you a LOOSER for driving a car.

I'm surprised your actually here to write about it

MAD · 31-10-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

So a cyclist is legally traveling in a straight line and the truck crosses the line causing the accident. Similarly the scooter is traveling in straight line, the truck crosses the line causing an accident.

Who is at fault in both?

My point is it is not the cyclists (or the scooters) fault because it is the truck that did the illegal action. You can not blame the mere presence of a legitimate road user for a crash. Also in your point it would have to be a big swerve from the cyclist to take up that full meter forcing the truck to swerve. I don't know to many cyclists that will swerve a metre into the path of a truck.

In simple terms it's not that cyclist's fault, but it's the cycling group's fault for bringing in this stupid law.

As in the OP example, they were overtaken safely but the 'law' was broken technically.

pottery beige · 31-10-2014, 05:02 PM

i was honestly more concerned what i was going to do about lunch that day

2011G6E · 31-10-2014, 05:20 PM

Here's a quick question which I posed on a Facebook group called Drivers For The Registration Of Cyclists. Although "registration" is probably too strong a word...some form of identification is however needed (an "accessory number plate" sized licence plate and a one off fee to register the plate to an owner would be fine) , and badly, so cyclists doing the wrong thing will know they can't just toddle off and be safe from identification.

How many people who are speaking out strongly against the new cycling laws and critisizing cyclists actually ride pushbikes themselves?

I hate the new cycle laws, I strongly critisise certain cycling groups...but I ride a pushbike too. I would bet many many people who do so, also ride a pushbike.

There seems to be a vast gulf between two main bodies of "cyclists". On one end you have "ordinary cyclists"...people who ride a bike occasionally for fun, ride one to work, mundane things like that.
Then on the other end of the spectrum you have the "hard core cyclists"...those who see themselves as being superior to other road users in several ways ("we don't pollute", "there's too many people driving cars", etc), who feel morally obliged to deliberately hold up traffic, who tell everyone in cars that they should "slow down and smell the roses" and "why is everyone in such a hurry", a group who use the roads not for simply going somewhere, but for their own private touring or circuit track...the "serious" cyclist.

And there seems to be very little...if any...overlap between the two groups. And the two groups have vastly different attitudes to riding on the road with other traffic.

pottery beige · 31-10-2014, 05:25 PM

deleten

blueoval · 31-10-2014, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Get a hobby. Don't see you policing any other comments

and I didn't "name call attack" any one here!
I'm very passionate about this topic, where we live it's very hilly with lots of cyclists acting like LOOSERS almost everyday you pass them.
My wife for eg.....isn't the most confident driver so it pains me to think the danger she could be in with the lack of common courtesy from other motorists...whether they be cyclists or other cars!

So what? It's not my job to police anything here sunshine, I just said settle down without the name calling, and you're still acting like this. You can still get your point across without the 'loser' jabs as if EVERY cyclist is one. Not all are. I too am passionate about the subject as well, but you don't see me calling every driver a 'loser' because of it do ya? I'm not saying you cannot be passionate, but do so with some dignity and respect.

Ben73 · 31-10-2014, 06:52 PM

I don't think bicycles should pay a yearly fee, but if you are going to ride on the road, claim a lane and become apart of traffic, then you should have to buy a number plate similar to a back rack plate. Something that is registered in your name.
People will bring up the "what about kids bikes" argument, well they are legally allowed to ride on footpaths, so they shouldn't need a plate.

MAGPIE · 31-10-2014, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

People will bring up the "what about kids bikes" argument, well they are legally allowed to ride on footpaths, so they shouldn't need a plate.

They are legally allowed on the road too

Also what about runners/walkers who run/walk on roads where there are no footpaths, do they need to be registered, pay tax and wear a number plate too.

MITCHAY · 31-10-2014, 07:04 PM

Forgetting who is better or worse than the other (both are as bad), If you want to ride on the road there should be some means of identifying you as a cyclist.

I think it should apply at the same point when you can be granted a provisional car licence and have to pass a test however basic it may be.

You can't apply a standard to one group without applying it to another when they both use the same roads which seems to be the case now.

The responsibility and accountability appears to be entirely on motorists where it should apply equally.

2011G6E · 31-10-2014, 07:10 PM

There's probably a bad word choice in the argument..."registration" is the only suitable term, but what is really meant is "clear identification".

If you want to be a "legitimate road user" with rights and privelages far above your actual status on the road (you're slow, you are very vulnerable, you're in no position to force your position in heavy fast moving traffic, etc), then you must be prepared to be clearly and positively and easily identified if you do something wrong...

It's not a new or revolutionary idea, despite what some cycling groups would have you think...
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=b...ed=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

SumoDog68 · 31-10-2014, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Here's a quick question which I posed on a Facebook group called Drivers For The Registration Of Cyclists. Although "registration" is probably too strong a word...some form of identification is however needed (an "accessory number plate" sized licence plate and a one off fee to register the plate to an owner would be fine) , and badly, so cyclists doing the wrong thing will know they can't just toddle off and be safe from identification.

How many people who are speaking out strongly against the new cycling laws and critisizing cyclists actually ride pushbikes themselves?

I hate the new cycle laws, I strongly critisise certain cycling groups...but I ride a pushbike too. I would bet many many people who do so, also ride a pushbike.

There seems to be a vast gulf between two main bodies of "cyclists". On one end you have "ordinary cyclists"...people who ride a bike occasionally for fun, ride one to work, mundane things like that.
Then on the other end of the spectrum you have the "hard core cyclists"...those who see themselves as being superior to other road users in several ways ("we don't pollute", "there's too many people driving cars", etc), who feel morally obliged to deliberately hold up traffic, who tell everyone in cars that they should "slow down and smell the roses" and "why is everyone in such a hurry", a group who use the roads not for simply going somewhere, but for their own private touring or circuit track...the "serious" cyclist.

And there seems to be very little...if any...overlap between the two groups. And the two groups have vastly different attitudes to riding on the road with other traffic.

Your cyclist group division is far from correct and there is a big overlap between all cyclists - they all ride bikes and have fun while doing it.
I know a lot of "hard core " cyclists and none are holding traffic on purpose , take high moral ground or tell anyone to slow down and smell the roses.
They do train for racing and that does mean they are not just going somewhere as you say - lol.
Lot of them incorporate riding to and from work as a part of training as most work full time .These are not some extremists but normal human beings that are all around you - just as people swim or run some ride bikes as their preferred sport.
Other group are riders that use bikes as a transportation and not a sport although even if they don't race they still get fitness benefits of being active.
I try and do most of my traing off road as driving standards are in general pretty low - just have a look at how many are texting and "driving" - to think your life depends on their driving focus would make you pretty edgy wouldn't it ?

dirty hands · 31-10-2014, 08:56 PM

I thought the subject of this discussion and most problematic

a minority adult cyclists who should know better

poor road design , and increased number of motor vehicles each week

i have only seen smaller children ride on the foot paths

i like the onboard car video suggestions

this is another Pub topic for later --that are on the roads
bmx cyclists skate borders then the two wheel foot scooters

Nova 8 · 31-10-2014, 09:13 PM

I saw my first lycra brigade indicate the other day, he was at the back of a group of about 10. There was a car parked blocking the bike lane (within legal times to do so) and the rest of the group didnt even look over their shoulders. Just crossed into the next line over a solid white line and without indication because of course its the motorists responsibility. If I wasn't sitting down when I saw him look over his shoulder and then indicated before safely changing lanes I would have fallen over.

I hear so many cyclists comment on drivers inability to follow the law and to give appropriate room, which I have seen without a doubt. But far, far more cyclists (vast majority) DO NOT follow the road rules. I've said it before, cost of the plate and a nominal fee ($50pa or what ever) for cyclists using major roads and in peak hour traffic. Also taking a note from their book motorists should be able to record and hand in the evidence of law breaking and they should be punished just like motorist. They'll be bankrupt in a month.

Also my bonnet is not for someone on a bike to lean on!

pottery beige · 31-10-2014, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nova 8

I saw my first lycra brigade indicate the other day, he was at the back of a group of about 10. There was a car parked blocking the bike lane (within legal times to do so) and the rest of the group didnt even look over their shoulders. Just crossed into the next line over a solid white line and without indication because of course its the motorists responsibility. If I wasn't sitting down when I saw him look over his shoulder and then indicated before safely changing lanes I would have fallen over.

I hear so many cyclists comment on drivers inability to follow the law and to give appropriate room, which I have seen without a doubt. But far, far more cyclists (vast majority) DO NOT follow the road rules. I've said it before, cost of the plate and a nominal fee ($50pa or what ever) for cyclists using major roads and in peak hour traffic. Also taking a note from their book motorists should be able to record and hand in the evidence of law breaking and they should be punished just like motorist. They'll be bankrupt in a month.

Also my bonnet is not for someone on a bike to lean on!

what did you have for lunch?

Rockape · 31-10-2014, 10:36 PM

Think i might get my dirty old truck exhaust re run to the passengers side so they can enjoy the money im burning getting around them 50 times a day

pottery beige · 31-10-2014, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockape

Think i might get my dirty old truck exhaust re run to the passengers side so they can enjoy the money im burning getting around them 50 times a day

i bet you like pies and flavoured milks

keep on chuggin Mctrucky

Rockape · 31-10-2014, 11:36 PM

Dont dig pies but dont mind the moo juice

Chopped · 01-11-2014, 12:04 AM

I don't mind giving space to cyclists, I even appreciate the wave of approval for doing so.

I am curious though, do cyclists also have to allow the 1.5m space from vehicles?
I have noticed in slow moving traffic or at the lights, they tend to ride up right beside you and I would hate to get a fine for something that is more their fault than mine.

commonrails · 01-11-2014, 02:32 AM

I'm all for cyclists on our roads and I give them all the space they want, as I'm quite cautious around them.
Like other have said, I believe cyclists should have some sort of identification i.e. number plate and possibly some form of assessment to cycle to ensure they understand the road rules.
I remember as a kid our primary school took us to "bike school" at bass hill nsw which was run by the rta. It had traffic lights, round abouts and line markings etc. They ran us through theory and practical assessments which taught us/me the basic road rules as well as hand signal. Is this sort of thing still done at schools?

1TUFFUTE · 01-11-2014, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

So what? It's not my job to police anything here sunshine, I just said settle down without the name calling, and you're still acting like this. You can still get your point across without the 'loser' jabs as if EVERY cyclist is one. Not all are. I too am passionate about the subject as well, but you don't see me calling every driver a 'loser' because of it do ya? I'm not saying you cannot be passionate, but do so with some dignity and respect.

So your gunna waste your breathe simply because I called a guy a looser. A guy who took a motorist to court for overtaking him marginally inside the required limit and actually bothered to record it, report it and go all the way to court! I got news for that looser......he'll be spending a lot of time in court, because the simple truth of the matter is......the current laws are not sufficient for all road users safety. They've been slapped together to suit a minority! And that particular dousche is simply applying no common courtesy, common sense or respect for others on the road!

I also think an 'identification' system could work to a degree.
Surely the law also needs to be amended so all cyclists must stay as far as possible to the left when motorists approach.

If that means mirrors and tougher tubes then so be it.