HSV VF GTS performance figures.

[Shonky.]

that's great Hulk, but this thread is about performance figures, not driving experience

[XR Martin]

John Bowe said he was ****ting his pants during that top speed run in the GTF, and id find it unlikey he'd be willing to do it again or try any faster.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Wretched

And an upgraded tail shaft

Yep, you do have to do that, at that speed and that's why they have speed limiters on them.
If a shaft goes, so do you at that speed.

[Express]

The speed run with the GT F and to a lesser extent the Phase 3 was originally a Unique Cars article and you can watch the episodes here.

Look down the bottom of the page for the 'Off The Clock Special Feature Video'.


http://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/fe...-ho-phase-iii/

[701let]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

what happened on this run?

guy must have lifted surely, to get 4.34 for the 0 - 100, but meander over the line at 118mph and 12.5???

This is one of the slower runs.

Surely shonky you must yield. This GTS is an absolute beast in all ways.

That being said the Miami powered falcon is a great bit of kit

[Shonky.]

yield? to what?

I haven't made one comment about the GTS, positive or negative, not wading into that nonsense

I am just saying I think its unusual to cut a 4.34sec 0-100 and then take a full 12.5sec to get to 400m

I am just looking at the data mate, don't care about what car it is

[Shonky.]

ps. I don't see how a 4.34 could be slow!!

[XR Martin]

What makes you think both times were achieved on the same run?

[Shonky.]

surely they would have to be wouldn't they?

it would be completely meaningless to publish a table of data from different runs....

[Shonky.]

you're probably right though hey

wow, now i know why i wouldn't spend a cent of buying journo drivel

Edit. Yep, just skimmed the article. I want the 2 minutes of my life back

Just goes to show, put the magazines down and get out to the track boys, only way to know!!!

[Dave R]

If you believe most journos, a 335 does mid 13s

[99AUXR]

And the falcon was meant to stop production 15 years ago.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Uwish

Best Australian Built sedan. Period.
Please name a better all round sedan built in Australia. ( production car )

Better built as in quality, durability?

[Motorbreath310]

Originally Posted by Uwish

Albeit modded to suit top speed runs. I'm sure the GTS could match or better it

I reckon (opinion, no facts or data) above 240-ish, it'd run into an aerodynamic brick wall. On account of it being about as aerodynamic as a brick wall.

Depending on your priorities and preferences, you could almost argue that the GTS is too good. Despite having a ~430kw V8, it sounds as if it's support systems seemingly bolster it too well. There's no 'mongrel' to it, like say....an F6

Not always a bad thing, however....

Although the same applies to the lesser HSV's. Haven't been in a GTS, but an N/A LS in a big VE body is not much of a memorable experience. They feel like what they are: a big sedan with a big engine (and great brakes) and nothing more. They aren't exciting.

[Uwish]

Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

I reckon (opinion, no facts or data) above 240-ish, it'd run into an aerodynamic brick wall. On account of it being about as aerodynamic as a brick wall.

Depending on your priorities and preferences, you could almost argue that the GTS is too good. Despite having a ~430kw V8, it sounds as if it's support systems seemingly bolster it too well. There's no 'mongrel' to it, like say....an F6

Not always a bad thing, however....

Although the same applies to the lesser HSV's. Haven't been in a GTS, but an N/A LS in a big VE body is not much of a memorable experience. They feel like what they are: a big sedan with a big engine (and great brakes) and nothing more. They aren't exciting.

Because the Falcon is slippery as **** and as light as a feather..... I guess most ford fans don't have
to much between the ears

[Motorbreath310]

Originally Posted by Uwish

Because the Falcon is slippery as **** and as light as a feather..... I guess most ford fans don't have
to much between the ears

But did you die?

[mtbkym01]

Originally Posted by Uwish

Because the Falcon is slippery as **** and as light as a feather..... I guess most ford fans don't have
to much between the ears

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

I reckon (opinion, no facts or data) above 240-ish, it'd run into an aerodynamic brick wall. On account of it being about as aerodynamic as a brick wall.

Depending on your priorities and preferences, you could almost argue that the GTS is too good. Despite having a ~430kw V8, it sounds as if it's support systems seemingly bolster it too well. There's no 'mongrel' to it, like say....an F6

Not always a bad thing, however....

Although the same applies to the lesser HSV's. Haven't been in a GTS, but an N/A LS in a big VE body is not much of a memorable experience. They feel like what they are: a big sedan with a big engine (and great brakes) and nothing more. They aren't exciting.

A blown big cube V8 has no "mongrel" to it

[duaned]

Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

I reckon (opinion, no facts or data) above 240-ish, it'd run into an aerodynamic brick wall. On account of it being about as aerodynamic as a brick wall.

Depending on your priorities and preferences, you could almost argue that the GTS is too good. Despite having a ~430kw V8, it sounds as if it's support systems seemingly bolster it too well. There's no 'mongrel' to it, like say....an F6

Not always a bad thing, however....

Although the same applies to the lesser HSV's. Haven't been in a GTS, but an N/A LS in a big VE body is not much of a memorable experience. They feel like what they are: a big sedan with a big engine (and great brakes) and nothing more. They aren't exciting.

I could swear that you are tripping on fresh air!

[OCTANEBOSS]

Originally Posted by bionic2006xr6t

Hi Guys and Girls,

Was talking to the old man the other day and he was saying how he could not find and performance figures on the current GTS. 0-100km/h and 1/4mile. He had looked on the net and in the buyers guides in most magazines. Does anyone know them and would wish to share?

Thanks in advanced.

Cheers Ryan

Try this one, I probably drink with some of these blokes even thou the despise my ride

http://www.hsvforum.com.au/

[Dash_XR]

Originally Posted by Uwish

Best Australian Built sedan. Period.
Please name a better all round sedan built in Australia. ( production car )

Australian built sedan with an imported engine or 100% Aussie like an F6?

Originally Posted by bionic2006xr6t

I have been watching! Did I expect it to grow to a 3 page thread in a little over 2 days? No. I was hoping for a couple of links to car reviews that had the figures. The original question contained nothing along the lines of "what do you think would win in a drag race, dyno comp or is the better car exhibit A or exhibit B" I got the answer I was after. That being the figures and relayed them to the not so technical savvy old man that was curious as to what they where. Job done. What the rest of you decided to contribute/discuss in the tread well that's up to you.

Cheers Ryan

He'd be better off test driving both and seeing which one he likes betters.

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Despite having a ~430kw V8, it sounds as if it's support systems seemingly bolster it too well. There's no 'mongrel' to it, like say....an F6

They aren't exciting.

Just the opposite actually... having driven a amg c63, the most remarkable part of the car is how it hooks up, bites and bolts. In my book thats more mongrel as it puts down all its big grunt and quick numbers against the stopwatch

Sitting there spinning on the spot of kicking out sideways really is a thing of the 1970s. This is an archaic trait of performance cars, not really mongrel. These ol school type mongrel cars often get dispatched by your modern family car with much less grunt.

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Just the opposite actually... having driven a amg c63, the most remarkable part of the car is how it hooks up, bites and bolts. In my book thats more mongrel as it puts down all its big grunt and quick numbers against the stopwatch

Sitting there spinning on the spot of kicking out sideways really is a thing of the 1970s. This is an archaic trait of performance cars, not really mongrel. These ol school type mongrel cars often get dispatched by your modern family car with much less grunt.

IMO mongrel is exactly that 70s thing you described, a car that's hard to control, a car that you would be scared to let your dear old gran drive. The amg you described is just a put your foot down and let the electronics take care of the rest type car, its a modern refined car that gets its power down well, handles well and if any mongrel tries to rear its ugly head its electronic trickery shuts it down.

[GTP534]

Temperature 4C this morning; hit the starter button.

Drive off letting the car warm up.

Slip over to "Performance" Mode, hit the accelerator, hear that supercharger whine, feel the grip from the rear end and get a thrill from the seamless acceleration. Even though it's cold the drivers window is down to hear the exhaust - no radio stations pre-set.

Smile time!! A Mastercard moment - priceless!!

Mongrel alright!

I'll keep my FPV thanks, but I wouldn't say no to an AMG V8!

[GTF1]

If you drive a GTF with out traction control on, and you will know it when the mongrel bites you on the *** ....lol

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Just the opposite actually... having driven a amg c63, the most remarkable part of the car is how it hooks up, bites and bolts. In my book thats more mongrel as it puts down all its big grunt and quick numbers against the stopwatch

Sitting there spinning on the spot of kicking out sideways really is a thing of the 1970s. This is an archaic trait of performance cars, not really mongrel. These ol school type mongrel cars often get dispatched by your modern family car with much less grunt.

The AMG is brutal and efficient and exhilarating and seduces you by the relentless surge that makes you abandon and give up your common sense to its charms- but its not mongrel. The C63 makes you feel you are a better driver than you are.

C63 has very good software systems but is not perfect- week ago my brother got stupidly sideways in his AMG C63 with no letup from his right foot when it was all on, me in passenger seat, and the software died in the **** and went into limp mode

It was like max at 25 kph, he was freaking, and I said just pull it up, shut it off, waited 3 minutes, and it was all fine again.

Having driven both the AMGC63 all the way, and the FGX XR8 hard, I have had more sphincter inducing moments in the FGX XR8.

And you know, I love that in the FGX XR8, with traction control off, I have worked out on cold roads better warm up the tyres or else, have worked out its fun to do corners in 2nd on the juice but there is a fine line between fast and sideways with that blinding split second moment that you think you have gone too far-and it is a challenge that is rewarding.

Makes me realize that I better know and improve my driving skills if I really want to play with it.

I drove a Porsche boxster S and was bored- too locked in to the point it was ho hum- for me.

Really depends what you want in a car I suppose, and that's the beauty of machinery.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by zilo

Better built as in quality, durability?

You're not seriously going to argue a GTF is better designed/built are you? Its better bang for buck, no question, possibly the best bang for buck car ever released in Aus. But the GTS is comprehensively better engineered, from the chassis/platform (VE/VF chassis has had so much more put into its development than FG its not worth arguing), right thru to engine/driveline. Does the GTS have to restrict its engine such that the full output is only available some of the time? That's as close to an admission as you'll get from Ford that its car is not quite up to the task. That doesn't make its performance credentials any less. Its akin to the Nissan GTR, you cant get the sorts of 0-100 times it does anything approaching consistency, but that doesn't make it any less a hero car.

[arronm]

The biggest difference between the GTS and GT is one was built to handle the power.

[Express]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

The amg you described is just a put your foot down and let the electronics take care of the rest type car, its a modern refined car that gets its power down well, handles well and if any mongrel tries to rear its ugly head its electronic trickery shuts it down.

Originally Posted by asagaai

The AMG is brutal and efficient and exhilarating and seduces you by the relentless surge that makes you abandon and give up your common sense to its charms- but its not mongrel. The C63 makes you feel you are a better driver than you are.

C63 has very good software systems but is not perfect- week ago my brother got stupidly sideways in his AMG C63 with no letup from his right foot when it was all on, me in passenger seat, and the software died in the **** and went into limp mode

It was like max at 25 kph, he was freaking, and I said just pull it up, shut it off, waited 3 minutes, and it was all fine again.

The C63 may have more refined electronics but that’s not to say it doesn’t have mongrel.

You can switch down the amount of traction control or you can switch it completely off.

You can do the same with the stability control, switch it down or switch it off.

Both stay off until you switch them back on.

You then have 600Nm of torque on hand.

It will throw the vehicle every which way while tearing the tyres off the rims.

If that isn’t mongrel I don’t know what is.

That’s why Jeremy Clarkson referred to it as an “axe murder with headlights”

As far as going into limp mode the C63 protects it’s transmission from overheating by going into limp.

This is common on the track when manual down changes are used to brake.

Installing a bigger trans cooler fixes that.

You rarely hear of them going into limp mode from a good old thrashing and there are many YouTube videos showing them being abused without problem.

This is where Clarkson talks about the problems with the C63 traction control.

https://youtu.be/DaZExdTHHjY


If I was spending money to just buy a ballistic car I’d go for the Ford, either turbo or supercharged as they are by far the best value.

If I wanted more than just the engine, I’d look further up the ladder.

[mr_xlr8]

Originally Posted by nz13boy

Even on the back of a tow truck it would probably still be quicker then a GT, corner better and brake better as all the GTs are all in pit lane at the drags with dodgy superchargers and no warranty.........


When the VF GTS was first released it was pillared from post to post on here when Hsv said it would do 0-100 in 4.4secs and go close to running a 11sec qrta. Go figure.

Saw one run down in 12.8 down the qtr manual. Tune.
My mates GT with tune ran 0.55 sec quicker around a race track in tallong vs a GTS best lap for lap.
Safe to say they go hard...however nowhere near as hard or better than our GT's as what the mags make out.