Qld revenue camersa tolerance to drop to 3 kph

[new2ford]

On the subject of Czech Republic again, they have an absolute zero blood alchohol rule and that's doing it tough in a country with the world's nicest beer! Having a soft drink with lunch just isn't the same, but the rule can only be a good thing and their public transport is excellent.

I was initially surprised (from an Australian's viewpoint) to see hundreds of factory workers piling onto the trolleybuses after shifts in the industrial area of Plzen when there was plenty of parking space around. Until the penny dropped that they liked to have a drink or three at the pub on the way home.

Unfortunately we don't really have much public transport here so we're stuffed.

I question over-zealous speed limit nannying (except in built up areas) but dead set against any tolerance for driving with alcohol or mobile phone/pad use while driving. They need to be concentrating on that more.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XBROO

Trev I agree with 0.00 but only after they have been caught more then once. It shouldn't be for everyone especially people doing the right thing. I can understand what you have seen over the years would have a big impact on your point of view. But lets be real the ones that are in accidents or cause them are well over the limit.

And sorry to hear about your wifes supervisor, no one needs to have that happen to them and even worst this time of year.

Who cares, I did it for 4 years as a P plater, someone is deso and the others get on the sauce.

I support 0.00 all around for everyone, we've done it before and I generally still do it now even though we're all fully licensed.

Even .05 it doesn't take much for you to hit the limit anyways.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Speed limits in suburbia are essential, but get on a motorway or interstate highway, why bother enforcing or even having 100 kph+ zones ?

Could be because there are a LOT of people who, if they get into trouble, would have real problems over 100.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Could be because there are a LOT of people who, if they get into trouble, would have real problems over 100.

They just need to keep left. Driving at a higher speed isn't compulsory. People are free to drive at what speed they feel comfortable on a multi lane road, they just need to keep left.

But what's the sense of slowing people who are more competent down to the lowest common denominator?

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Who cares, I did it for 4 years as a P plater, someone is deso and the others get on the sauce.

I support 0.00 all around for everyone, we've done it before and I generally still do it now even though we're all fully licensed.

Even .05 it doesn't take much for you to hit the limit anyways.

Really myself, I don't care as I don't really drink unless it's a special occassion, but you should be able to have a beavage to wash down a nice meal. And still be able to drive home without relying on public transport, which can stuff you around. Then your pleasant dinner out, turns to **** because of public transport and worring about your safety with all the ice heads running around.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by new2ford

They just need to keep left. Driving at a higher speed isn't compulsory. People are free to drive at what speed they feel comfortable on a multi lane road, they just need to keep left.

But what's the sense of slowing people who are more competent down to the lowest common denominator?

Agreed!

I have found that people who drive slower don't like it when others make them feel like they are inadequate old farts when being overtaken, and hence is the reason why they speed up when there is an overtaking lane as well as block others from going past them. They are usually too proud to admit they are holding everyone up and rather than admit they are incompetent and pull left, they choose to be a pest on the road for no added benefit other than making everyone else think they are a complete tool. This is evident mainly on highways going up hill.

If you are not overtaking, KEEP LEFT!

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by new2ford

They just need to keep left. Driving at a higher speed isn't compulsory. People are free to drive at what speed they feel comfortable on a multi lane road, they just need to keep left.

But what's the sense of slowing people who are more competent down to the lowest common denominator?

Here in the bush there aren't many (ie: none) two lane highways around here. But there are lots of trees for those that drop of the edge at 100 and get into trouble.

If these people were allowed to do, say 120-140, Emergency services would have to walk a lot further to pick up the pieces.

[the_scotsman]

I drive 85km each way to and from work every day, so I do a fair bit of driving (Nowra area to Wollongong).

Every. Single. Day. I'm regularly stuck behind some moron on the highway who sticks in the right lane, even though there's no one ahead or to the left of them. Usually end up passing on the left.

Other roads with one lane in either direction, again, having to regularly overtake muppets driving well under the limit. A lot of the time they'll flash me as I overtake. I find this comical. Why flash me? I'm entitled to overtake. You're going too slow. I'm not in the wrong.

But I digress. 3kph seems a little tight. Similar to Victoria isn't it? The only reason for this is further income generation. You can't tell me 4 kph over the limit is far more dangerous than the limit itself. I know you need to draw the line somewhere, but this is taking the ****.

As for the alcohol discussion, I never do it. very very rarely do I drive after 1 beer, but never more, mostly none at all. It's not worth it.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Here in the bush there aren't many (ie: none) two lane highways around here. But there are lots of trees for those that drop of the edge at 100 and get into trouble.

If these people were allowed to do, say 120-140, Emergency services would have to walk a lot further to pick up the pieces.

I'm talking about motorways really. I don't advocate a limit above 100 for typical two lane roads except in certain (outback) circumstances.

But now you mention it, people who drive along country roads at 10 or 20 under the limit (there's plenty of them and yes they're legally entitled to) should pull over occasionally to let the tailback behind them pass. They are more dangerous from the frustration they cause than somebody creeping 5 ks over the limit.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by new2ford

I'm talking about motorways really. I don't advocate a limit above 100 for typical two lane roads except in certain (outback) circumstances.

But now you mention it, people who drive along country roads at 10 or 20 under the limit (there's plenty of them and yes they're legally entitled to) should pull over occasionally to let the tailback behind them pass. They are more dangerous from the frustration they cause than somebody creeping 5 ks over the limit.

Again, I agree on this. But sadly, the whole entitlement attitude comes into play. The 'why should I', 'I have every right to be here and go slower', 'Im ok, I don't care about anyone else' selfish me-first mantra comes into the minds of these arrogant individuals.

On the odd occasion I'll come across someone who kindly knows they are slowing others down and pull over when on an incline. I give them a thank you toot and wave to show my appreciation and proceed to keep to the speed limit.

[MercurySilver]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Could be because there are a LOT of people who, if they get into trouble, would have real problems over 100.

Can see it now, a crappy old el or vn doing 150 on the freeway with bald rubber, stuffed ball joints and rooted shockers

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Speed limits in suburbia are essential, but get on a motorway or interstate highway, why bother enforcing or even having 100 kph+ zones ?

So long as the vehicles driven safely and to conditions. I have no issue with open speed limits on interstate highways and quality motorways.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by flooded one

So long as the vehicles driven safely and to conditions. I have no issue with open speed limits on interstate highways and quality motorways.

It was okay in the 70s with no airbags, no abs, no seatbelts, drum brakes. We live in a massive continent. Have a serious stack at 110kph or 150kph, either way your are screwed. Except at 150kph it would be painless and 110kph might land you as an invalid in a wheelchair for life, at best. 110kph is so yesteryear. It's almost equivalent to a 56k modem in 2015. Speaking of which, why did they bother with the NBN, I think getting people physically around this continent is more important than getting the porn to download quicker, reduce the lag times for avid gamers, or people to be able to max out their BitTorrents and steal as much music, movies and software as possible?

[b0son]

Because pollies watch porn but fly everywhere?

[Trevor 57]

and you all know what?

No matter how much whinging or speculation or claims of how good a driver you are, the respective Governments will continue to collect squillions because people don't giver a **** about 'limits', no matter what 'limits' are set at, if they set them at a 100% tolerance then ******* would still complain and still get caught over the limit

[ronwest]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

and you all know what?

No matter how much whinging or speculation or claims of how good a driver you are, the respective Governments will continue to collect squillions because people don't giver a **** about 'limits', no matter what 'limits' are set at, if they set them at a 100% tolerance then ******* would still complain and still get caught over the limit

Which is a win all round.

Could you imagine a world where the whingers who whinge about the whingers had nothing to whinge about?

[Trevor 57]

My god, that would be simply awful

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

and you all know what?

No matter how much whinging or speculation or claims of how good a driver you are, the respective Governments will continue to collect squillions because people don't giver a **** about 'limits', no matter what 'limits' are set at, if they set them at a 100% tolerance then ******* would still complain and still get caught over the limit

doesn't the injustice, the waste and the deceit bother you?

just because you dont pay speeding pay fines doesnt mean you don't loose out under the current morally bankrupt regime

tax collection and road safety need to be not only disconnected, but they should be quarantined from one another to stop a repeat of the despicable path it has gone down

[irish2]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

Can see it now, a crappy old el or vn doing 150 on the freeway with bald rubber, stuffed ball joints and rooted shockers

Not really any different to the crap boxes I rented throughout Europe. However often they were only 1.2L econoboxes and we still cruised at 150+km/h just to keep up with traffic.

[simon varley]

people will obey limits that they think are reasonable and can be defined by some sort of risk assessment. the problem is that the limits are so arbitrarily low that nobody any longer believes they mean anything so they drive at the speed they feel is safe, not at the posted limit.

I bet if highway limits were lifted to 140, most people would sit at 120-130

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

and you all know what?

No matter how much whinging or speculation or claims of how good a driver you are, the respective Governments will continue to collect squillions because people don't giver a **** about 'limits', no matter what 'limits' are set at, if they set them at a 100% tolerance then ******* would still complain and still get caught over the limit

You should take a leaf out of your own book...

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

you have evidence of this of course?

and you have evidence to back up your claim?

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I sit on the speed limit, unless there are prevailing conditions that would prevent me doing that. Cruise is my friend

Try that on the Monash! 4 lanes, each going a different speed, none really doing 100kph. Most doing 90kph in the right lane because it's the fast lane.

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

after spending 13 years pulling living and dead people from cars (using jaws of life etc) bring on 0.00 BAC for everyone, simple rule, you have had a drink then you don't drive, saves confusion or misunderstanding, but then again you will always have the ******* who couldn't give a **** about other road users, because "it will never happen to me"

Whilst you and most would disagree, I am a better driver intoxicated than my partner (no I don't encourage this behavior). She is dangerous but is of the opinion "I have a licence therefore I know how to drive" yet she scares the C**P out of me!!
Whilst I don't deal with as many intoxicated drivers in the last 15 years of my job, I have dealt with a alarming amount of drivers who think they can drive and the death wasn't a result of speeding or intoxication.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

doesn't the injustice, the waste and the deceit bother you?

and my friend, who the **** do you think pays for all the (State) Government provided goodies, do you think they just fall out of the sky.

Who pays for:
* schools
* hospitals
* roads
* all things Melbourne 'centric like football ovals, tennis courts, soccer pitches etc

Do I need to list more or do you get the idea, tax money, however that is achieved is what pays for all the goodies that you and me and our families enjoy, some-one has to pay, it is just the way it is

If you want to give your money to the Government in the way of fines, fantastic, it stops them taxing me in other ways

[cro142]

I would be happy to pay an extra, say, $300 "driving tax" each year up front, rather than have to put up with this cynical nonsense about cameras being for road safety, and making us all clock watchers rather than good drivers.

By the way, I have not had a speeding fine for several years, so I'm not complaining about the fines.

But I am complaining about the use of cameras for revenue raising.

I reckon 10% leeway is reasonable.

[Beastie]

So why don't we do away with $ fines altogether and just increase the demerit points per infringement.

I think the message would sink in a lot faster if people started having their licenses suspended instead of having to cough up some $$'s

Just say'n

[simon varley]

yes, if it was in any way about safety. but it's not, is it?

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by The Beast

So why don't we do away with $ fines altogether and just increase the demerit points per infringement.

I think the message would sink in a lot faster if people started having their licenses suspended instead of having to cough up some $$'s

Just say'n

The big problem with the demerit points system is that the camera can't tell who was driving.

So the demerit points won't necessarily be taken from the offending driver.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

The big problem with the demerit points system is that the camera can't tell who was driving.

So the demerit points won't necessarily be taken from the offending driver.

That's no different to getting a stat dec done by some to keep their points. I know of many who are on maximum points and they get a stat dec done with their spouses/family members to avoid losing their license.

Fining per point isnt a bad idea. It would make those who freely cop points for their family to think twice.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by b0son

You should take a leaf out of your own book...

well done, thanks for your contribution

You know it always easy to see when you have the upper hand in argument, you just refer to posts just like yours

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by The Beast

So why don't we do away with $ fines altogether and just increase the demerit points per infringement.

I think the message would sink in a lot faster if people started having their licenses suspended instead of having to cough up some $$'s

Just say'n

do you watch the Highway Patrol shows? Do you see how many unlicenced drivers there are on the road? People who have lost their privilege to drive, but who choose to drive regardless