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Old 28-07-2021, 11:24 AM   #12901
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For the singlies in NSW at the moment, the government is allowing single person bubbles to be established. The rules are:

A singles bubble will be introduced
Here's how it'll work.

* If you are living by yourself, you'll be allowed to nominate one person to visit you
* It has to be the same person for the next four weeks (not a different person every day)
* Those inside the eight local government areas must nominate a person inside the same areas and they must be within 10km
* Those outside the eight areas must nominate a person outside of the areas

This is great news for those singlies struggling with the loss of face to face interaction with others. I know my mum and some of her friends have really relied on this in Vic to help keep their mental health in a good space during our lockdowns, and I would encourage those who are eligible for it to utilise it.
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Old 28-07-2021, 11:30 AM   #12902
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My third negative covid test result today. in ten days..yet...still in home quarantine.

interesting to have experienced a covid test in melbourne and then Hobart.

the melbourne one was at frankston hospital, the crap they stuffed up my nose there was much....MUCH...smaller than in Hobart....in fact at frankston it wasnt intrusive at all.

In Hobart...the half wits must still be using old swabs...at least double the diameter of the melbourne stock.

I am a big bloke and I cringed as they showed the crap right up my nose.

I gotta tell you...I would not do it voluntarily again....it's a stupid way to put people right off voluntary testing.

And i told them what i thought of the procedure...boy did I tell them.
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Old 28-07-2021, 11:32 AM   #12903
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Got my first jab yesterday.

Whole procedure was well organised and trouble free.

Got a bit of a sore arm but that's the only issue so far.

Get the next one in 3 weeks.

Actually only issue was that I couldn't give feedback - apparently my Hotmail account is not a real account? And the feedback app is set up in a way that you are telling a 'story' or some airy fairy arty farty rubbish.

Just give me a survey and a score to fill out for goodness sake.

Good to hear on the radio this morning that they are considering travel incentives for vaccinated people.

That should give more the motivation to get the jab.

Hurry up... I have a passport that needs filling.
Got my second shot yesterday. This time I was able to fill out my satisfaction survey afterwards... I mean.. I was able to 'share my story'.

I got this email soon afterwards:



As I said... Arty Farty rubbish.

Sure, remove any identifying information (not that I put anything) but I don't agree with this PC gender neutrality crap.

If I said he or she then that's what I meant. Not they or them or any other crap.

I should have known as soon as the feedback was referred to as 'my story'.

Will try and remove my feedback in its entirety.

I hope they ask why...
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My third negative covid test result today. in ten days..yet...still in home quarantine.

interesting to have experienced a covid test in melbourne and then Hobart.

the melbourne one was at frankston hospital, the crap they stuffed up my nose there was much....MUCH...smaller than in Hobart....in fact at frankston it wasnt intrusive at all.

In Hobart...the half wits must still be using old swabs...at least double the diameter of the melbourne stock.

I am a big bloke and I cringed as they showed the crap right up my nose.

I gotta tell you...I would not do it voluntarily again....it's a stupid way to put people right off voluntary testing.

And i told them what i thought of the procedure...boy did I tell them.
Just hope that it's not the same person doing the test next time around then, otherwise they might try sticking a tampon up there!
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Old 28-07-2021, 12:04 PM   #12905
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 27th 2021.

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184 new cases for Australia and 4 deaths so the CMR is 2.772%.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.908%.

The UK had a lower 23,228 cases yesterday and much higher 131 deaths for a CMR of 2.250%.

A lower 44,029 new cases in the USA yesterday and lower 107 deaths sees CMR at 1.777%.

Other notable points:
France passes 6M cases;
North America passes 42M cases;
Mauritania (341) - the previous high on 15/12/20;
Algeria
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Kazakhstan (6,797) - the 6th consecutive day;
Morocco (6,971) - the previous high on 12/11/20;
Iraq (12,185); and
Iran
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... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

The Philippines and Kenya move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while no countries drop below.
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Not meaning to upset anyone or incite any state v state debate over conditions, but I feel rather fortunate living in SA and getting press conference delivered by Marshall, Spurrier and Stevens. All quite well groomed every day. If I had to watch the NSW team every day there's no way I could sit through it all. Doesn't Gladys or Kerry Chant have a mirror or make up team behind them?
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New mystery case in Melb. Traffic controller at a testing site. Not linked to any current outbreak yet.

Wouldn't be surprised if Zilo gets a txt to start his 14 days again.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Zilo gets a txt to start his 14 days again.

Why in the F** K would anyone willingly live in melbourne?

Oh wait...smaller nasal swabs...
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I'm just here for the footy.
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I live far enough away to not have to put up with Melbourne, but it is only 1:50 down the road
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I gotta ask the most stupid question of this thread.
100+ cases a day.
What are 100+ people doing wrong each day to catch it?
There is no analysis what they are doing other than they have caught it.
What are we really learning.
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I gotta ask the most stupid question of this thread.
100+ cases a day.
What are 100+ people doing wrong each day to catch it?
There is no analysis what they are doing other than they have caught it.
What are we really learning.
50% of the NSW daily numbers have been active in the community whilst contagious and without knowledge of the fact.

What we've learnt in SA and Victoria is that the virus loves people moving about, it is very easy to pass on, it doesn't respect council boundaries, nor does it wait patiently while decision makers ponder.

Gladys appears to have missed the memo.
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Not meaning to upset anyone or incite any state v state debate over conditions, but I feel rather fortunate living in SA and getting press conference delivered by Marshall, Spurrier and Stevens. All quite well groomed every day. If I had to watch the NSW team every day there's no way I could sit through it all. Doesn't Gladys or Kerry Chant have a mirror or make up team behind them?
Don't they wish their CHO was hot like ours...
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50% of the NSW daily numbers have been active in the community whilst contagious and without knowledge of the fact.

What we've learnt in SA and Victoria is that the virus loves people moving about, it is very easy to pass on, it doesn't respect council boundaries, nor does it wait patiently while decision makers ponder.

Gladys appears to have missed the memo.
I thinks it's more that the people are not listening............... like the families who got caught in Jindabyne and Thredbo, from a lockdown area in Syd, because they wanted a holiday in the Snow
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I thinks it's more that the people are not listening............... like the families who got caught in Jindabyne and Thredbo, from a lockdown area in Syd, because they wanted a holiday in the Snow
What do you believe is the difference then between the people of NSW and SA?
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I thinks it's more that the people are not listening............... like the families who got caught in Jindabyne and Thredbo, from a lockdown area in Syd, because they wanted a holiday in the Snow
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I gotta ask the most stupid question of this thread.
100+ cases a day.
What are 100+ people doing wrong each day to catch it?
There is no analysis what they are doing other than they have caught it.
What are we really learning.
I’ve been tilting at this detail for a while. My unqualified analysis is: Unstructured living. Shopping too often, not planning jobs, buying convenience foods.

It would help - but is practically a challenge - if the smaller residential flat buildings could nominate a “grandma/aunty” as Covid cop. Someone who was home almost all the time, understood the regs, could do the basic sanitising (common area doorknobs, intercom pads, mailbox fascias) a few times a day, and was multilingual if required.
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I gotta ask the most stupid question of this thread.
100+ cases a day.
What are 100+ people doing wrong each day to catch it?
There is no analysis what they are doing other than they have caught it.
What are we really learning.
Probably 50% thick as 2 short planks and 50% just plain old selfish


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Don't they wish their CHO was hot like ours...
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............the melbourne one was at frankston hospital, the crap they stuffed up my nose there was much....MUCH...smaller than in Hobart....in fact at frankston it wasnt intrusive at all.


..............Why in the F** K would anyone willingly live in melbourne?

Oh wait...smaller nasal swabs...
What did I say about this virus? Don't egg it on....

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@2mins and @4.20mins, I reckon thats her


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Why isnt Avi wearing a mask?
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Most people in South Australia got up to grade 7 in school. Most people in New South Wales didn't
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OMG don’t know if it’s Stockholm syndrome speaking, but I’ve developed a crush on Nicola Spurrier. She’s a silver fox 🦊🤣
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OK, I have been giving this a few brain cycles.
Given that lockdowns cannot stop coronavirus, they can only change who gets sick, and when, what role to lockdowns have during a pandemic ?


The Who and When are the important things.
1) the who:

lockdown the vulnerable - commonsense should come into play though, a vaccinated relative who tests negative should be able to visit.
2) The when:
Create a history based projection of hospitalisations based on infection count - this should be updated daily.
When the projection indicates that a given 'community' (state, country, LGA, Hispital area) would pass say 30% of hospital capacity, then that community should be locked down for a week - this of course should be revised daily, with any lockdown being for a minimum of a week.
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It's to stop folk in their tracks and force them back on their own resources, problem is nobody listens to others, even if it's for their own benefit, case in point the riff-raff that were involved in protests.

This life of eating and drinking from "the horn of plenty " is well and truly over, only we can repair the damage done, pretty basic sh.t really


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