FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread

[FalconXV]

That'd be a Chinese market car not 201X

[naddis01]

That looks like that Chinese thing that someone posted a month or two ago.

[Mighty Reds]

Didn't we see that black car once before and come to a conclusion it wasn't a Ford.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by BLOWN.GTP

According to the article the biggest mechanical change is the Chinese made ZF 6HP21 auto which will be used on all models except for XR6T and XR8 which will continue with the German made ZF HP26.

I thought some say here they were going to put the 6HP28 in the cars (or at least the Ts and 8s)?

Surely going with a Chinese-made lower-grade 6HP21 alongside the Chinese-made heat exchanger is a recipe for disaster?

Hopefully the G6ET retains the same as the XR6Ts.

[borough]

Originally Posted by BLOWN.GTP

According to the magazine article they have not decided on its designation yet (FH).
They claim it will possibly be called FZ for obvious reasons.

Since this car is such a minor update it really should be the FG Mk III.

[pearlhead]

Originally Posted by borough

Since this car is such a minor update it really should be the FG Mk III.

Uhhh No

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by borough

Since this car is such a minor update it really should be the FG Mk III.

Lol. As with the other poster who mentioned this earlier in the thread, a styling change is hardly "minor".

Heck, even EAII - EBI which was the smallest change still had a new model code.

[NanoDuke]

But if FG was a nod to the Fairmont Ghia, and this is shaping up to be a new model, there's a chance it won't be called FH, or even F*anything*. Could be any combo of letters, really.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by borough

Since this car is such a minor update it really should be the FG Mk III.

Are you serious? This is an update ala XD - XE etc

Front and rear will be different. That's not minor. Minor is EA - EB - ED (in regards to the 'look' of the car) and they got different model codes. EF - EL got different model codes. Geez even BA - BF got a different code and this will be much more than that update.

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by bArNsY

Another pic snapped in Geelong, courtesy of Krock

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Nice, the XR8. It looks good with the 4 tips instead of one on each side.

On another note, I saw an FPV ad today mentioning the end of the company, offering a John Bowe drive day experience. John Bowe used to appear on FPV's website years ago, it's good to see John Bowe with the FPV again before it closes forever.

[XR Martin]

This is more like VX to VY update. Front and rear-end change, plus an update of the dash.
EA-EB and EF-EL didnt have any sheet metal changes, and the interior was basically unchanged.

I actually dont the FG's update is comparable to any Falcon update, uless you go back to the 70s.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

This is more like VX to VY update. Front and rear-end change, plus an update of the dash.
EA-EB and EF-EL didnt have any sheet metal changes, and the interior was basically unchanged.

I actually dont the FG's update is comparable to any Falcon update, uless you go back to the 70s.

EF to EL had a new hood outer and inner.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

EF to EL had a new hood outer and inner.

True! But only the base model.

XRs, Fairmonts and Fairlanes remained the same

[borough]

Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Are you serious? This is an update ala XD - XE etc

Dead serious mate

Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Front and rear will be different. That's not minor. Minor is EA - EB - ED (in regards to the 'look' of the car) and they got different model codes. EF - EL got different model codes. Geez even BA - BF got a different code and this will be much more than that update.

I suppose we have different ideas on what is a "major" update. To me a major update includes changes to the interior as well and new tech, like VE mk II to VF.

From what I've read I see nothing that makes me want to update my FG. Actually they seem to be making it look like a Mondeo, that IMHO looks like crap.

As for model codes why not XZ, or ZZ, as this is the last Falcon, and it is going out with a whimper.

[csv8]

Should be the LF Falcon..Last Falcon.

[Bobman]

I like 'XZ' - pays homage to the codes used which first introduced and grew the Falcon from XK-XY & XA-XH.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by borough

Dead serious mate

Fair enough, but why should this latest update be any different to those models where a different code was given for a similar upgrade?

I come back to XD - XE. Interior was the same, save for different colours etc. Do you think the XE should be XD III? Or even XA - XB. Interior the same there too. Should XB be XA II or III? Hell maybe Ford should've just had XK, XKII, XKIII, XKIV and so on.

I'm just trying to work out your rationale.

[stazza]

Does it really matter what it is? What a pointless debate.

[Adamz Ghia]

Some people are just never happy. The car will have a new front, new rear, some interior changes and still they're not happy...

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Some people are just never happy. The car will have a new front, new rear, some interior changes and still they're not happy...

If you can't please your potential buyers/customers you ultimately fail as a business.

That's kind of what happened though eh?

[|Nate]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Some people are just never happy. The car will have a new front, new rear, some interior changes and still they're not happy...

A new front and rear + minor interior changes means stuff all when it's still lagging many many years behind in the included technology that comes with the car.

No it's not necessary/needed, but it's what sells cars.

When you put them (FH and VF) together, the average buyer will see "Auto parking, auto wipers, auto windows, adaptive cruise, blind spot assist and other fancy features" and go "wow, let's get that one," completely brushing aside the Falcon, as it has no tech appeal. We all know that the Falcon has always had a far superior driveline, but the general public couldn't give two stuffs about that.

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by |Nate

A new front and rear + minor interior changes means stuff all when it's still lagging many many years behind in the included technology that comes with the car.

No it's not necessary/needed, but it's what sells cars.

When you put them (FH and VF) together, the average buyer will see "Auto parking, auto wipers, auto windows, adaptive cruise, blind spot assist and other fancy features" and go "wow, let's get that one," completely brushing aside the Falcon, as it has no tech appeal. We all know that the Falcon has always had a far superior driveline, but the general public couldn't give two stuffs about that.

With all that in mind, I wonder if Ford will go aggressive with their pricing to counter balance the missing fruit?

[CyberWasp]

It also depends on what car you are coming from.
I would be coming form a BA so there is a bigger difference than someone who currently owns a FG.

[Polyal]

Yeah i think at the start, or like a few months it will be full rrp. But Ford will want to clear the shelves so the best time to buy will be the last few months. Then...the dealers want to clear thir stock, you will get a couple that will hold on to "the last one" at some silly price.

Wonder what the XR8 ill get down too....$40k?

[chookaradley]

The xr8 needs to be in the sub 50k category. I think it will prob be $49990. As many have said it will be a contest btw superior driveline and tech (VF). Pretty sure Holden will counter at some stage by making the 317kw v8 as standard equipment in the SS, as in the Chevrolet SS in the states. Still inferior to the blown Miami, but will no doubt appease the bogan lion fans.

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by |Nate

A new front and rear + minor interior changes means stuff all when it's still lagging many many years behind in the included technology that comes with the car.

No it's not necessary/needed, but it's what sells cars.

When you put them (FH and VF) together, the average buyer will see "Auto parking, auto wipers, auto windows, adaptive cruise, blind spot assist and other fancy features" and go "wow, let's get that one," completely brushing aside the Falcon, as it has no tech appeal. We all know that the Falcon has always had a far superior driveline, but the general public couldn't give two stuffs about that.

I agree with much of what you've said there but a new front and back is more than I was hoping for given the very modest R&D budget they've had. Interesting contest between VF and all its tech and the new Falcon. I'm really feeling it in terms of wanting to change but am doing my best to hold off doing anything until the next Falcon arrives but as far as I am concerned if they dish up the same unsupportive seats as in FG and there's no GT-P seat option or we get ZF's made in China that's unacceptable to me.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by DABOSS

Took these this morning , Thought Id go for a flyby.

That's the Geely that has been getting around...

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

EA-EB and EF-EL didnt have any sheet metal changes, .

EA had a different bonnet, front guards, boot and taillight panels compared to the EB

EL received a new bonnet..

[Wretched]

I'll have to wait until the new Falcon is released but from what I have been reading here I am becoming more and more disappointed with what will be the final Falcon.

It may look the goods but will still be a generation behind the competition in terms of technology. I hope the chassis has been upgraded to improve the dynamics and the ability to utilise all the power from the engine(s).

The engines have to be the only shining light. I6 is still a good engine whether in petrol or LPG, the ecoBoost engine is a world class engine with proven results and the Miami engine is a top V8.

It's going to be a hard task for the marketing dept. to sell it if the only updates are really only cosmetic. To try and convince the market it is a better choice than the rest.

[csv8]

Wretched.."It's going to be a hard task for the marketing dept. to sell it if the only updates are really only cosmetic. To try and convince the market it is a better choice than the rest. " There is a Falcon marketing Department ????????