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N/A all the way
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The only answer we have right now is getting vaccinated. Screw the advertising saying do it for everyone else. That wont work here because our population don't care about others. As Paul Keating said something like, "when in doubt, back self interest, at least you know that will be trying." Put an add up now, "After opening up, we will have 10000 cases a day. Those that are vaccinated will most likely catch it, and will most likely have symptoms like a cold. Vaccination is no good after you catch covid. Those that aren't vaccinated before catching it, well 1% will die. Who do you want to be?"
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how do those figures compare to road fatalities Australia wide?
Am I more likely to die from:
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Just got jab 2.
Now I can get infected and infectious without a care ;-) |
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1. COVID (in Australia) has an adult mortality rate of 5.22 per 100k of adult population. 2. Influenza in Australia during a bad year like 2019 has a mortality rate of 4.139 per 100k but is more normally about 1.68 per 100k and has been just about zero the last 18 months. 3. As a driver, the road death mortality rate in 2020 was 3.0/100k and for all vehicle occupants 4.044/100k although it is worse if we include pedestrians, cyclists and motorbike riders.
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One does not necessarily justify the other.
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#13417 | |||
Budget Racer
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Location: Melbourne
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Big differance and without internet trolls having access to every autopsy how do we know we are not being lied to? See what I did there? ![]()
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#13418 | ||
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Canberra Region
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Two out of those three don't collapse the hospital system.
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#13419 | ||
N/A all the way
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne
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Imagine how low the road toll would be if we only allow essential road traffic, made sure no vehicles came within 1.5 meters of each other at all times, and only allowed 1 person from each house in a car at one time, and didnt allow any car to go more that 5 km from home!!!
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Budget Racer
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Location: Melbourne
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#13422 | |||
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#13423 | ||
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Location: Melbourne
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Out of curiosity, has the flu ever killed 700+ aged care residents in the space of a couple of months within one small jurisdiction?
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#13424 | |||
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And Lung viruses in general kill more around Aust, (so far), than any other cause.
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BAII RTV - with Raptor V S/C. RTV Power FG G6ET 50th Anniversary in Sensation. While the basic Ford Six was code named Barra, the Turbo version clearly deserved its very own moniker – again enter Gordon Barfield.
We asked him if the engine had actually been called “Seagull” and how that came about. “Actually it was just call “Gull”, because I named it that. Because we knew it was going to poo on everything”. |
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#13425 | ||
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Was a simple question. Was that a yes or no? Honest question. Have we had a flu (or any other disease) that swept across a sector, and killed 700 odd in a very short period and in a small jurisdiction?
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#13426 | |||
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You get pollution standing on any street corner in peak hour traffic, where do people think it all goes to!....besides your lungs, it hangs around as you drive away to pollute elsewhere, not talking India or China, but try Port Kembla Steelworks on a windless day or any coal fired Power Station in any location, it's all pollution, and its from burning fossil fuels! And it's killing us, slowly but surely one by one! Cheers Billy ![]() |
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#13427 | |||
Falcon RTV - FG G6ET
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Anyway Spanish Flu, happily disposed of around 500mill people over a couple of years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
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BAII RTV - with Raptor V S/C. RTV Power FG G6ET 50th Anniversary in Sensation. While the basic Ford Six was code named Barra, the Turbo version clearly deserved its very own moniker – again enter Gordon Barfield.
We asked him if the engine had actually been called “Seagull” and how that came about. “Actually it was just call “Gull”, because I named it that. Because we knew it was going to poo on everything”. |
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And going by your theory Pt Kembla, along with living near any Coal Fired power station, should all be hot spots? Seriously? ![]()
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DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
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Mind you, winter pollution in the “bowl” of Launceston is pretty awful, too. |
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#13431 | |||
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Location: Melbourne
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#13432 | ||
2003 BA Falcon XT
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Wyndhamvale, Victoria
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I usually dont get into covid debates, but this statistic threw me. These are the TOTAL deaths for america for each year from 2015 with the differential from the previous year.
2015 - 2,712,630 2016 - 2,744,248. +31,618 2017 - 2,813,503. +69,255 2018 - 2,839,205. -25,702 2019 - 2,854,838. +15,633 2020 - 3,358,814. +503,976 I’m tired and maths isnt a strong point of mine but last year that was a massive massive jump in total deaths. Also seeing doctors and nurses pleading with people to get the jab for something that is now entirely preventable is just so sad.
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#13433 | |||
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It’s a paradox. There’s many folk dying young on a diet of organic veges in poor countries. |
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#13434 | |||
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My old man was born in 1903, he told us stories of the times. People in country towns & on farms burying people in back yards. Covered carts collecting bodies in cities. Sent from my SM-A305YN using Tapatalk
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BAII RTV - with Raptor V S/C. RTV Power FG G6ET 50th Anniversary in Sensation. While the basic Ford Six was code named Barra, the Turbo version clearly deserved its very own moniker – again enter Gordon Barfield.
We asked him if the engine had actually been called “Seagull” and how that came about. “Actually it was just call “Gull”, because I named it that. Because we knew it was going to poo on everything”. |
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#13435 | |||
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#13436 | |||
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Anyway, recent discussions here were on questioning the mortality rate and seriousness of Covid. So apart from Spanish flu, there hasn't been a specific disease that has caused so much carnage in such a short period of time?
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People have been studying the spanish flu for a long time, including knowing how well let it rip, herd immunity vs lock downs work. The latter works better BTW ;-) *of course there's been SARs and others in non western countries, but nothing major in Aus, USA or europe since the spanish flu. SARs is worse than the flu because it can be airborne as we took alomst a year to figure out! Droplets, surfaces etc that the flu spreads with is lower risk or more controllable. E: The worst thing about the spanish flu is it somehow used your health against you. It was the younger, more fitter people more likely to die from it! second worse thing was that no one knew how to make a proper flu vaccine back then so NFI what the hell they were taking! But they rolled up for WA and took it ![]() Some talk about that 'vaccine' here: https://www.mdpi.com/2414-6366/3/1/1...almed-03-00017 Last edited by oldel; 09-08-2021 at 10:00 PM. |
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You guys are missing the bigger picture.
It's not how many DIE from each cause...but the impacts. A road fatality statistics are dwarfed by the number of drivers/passengers/peds who end up in a wheelchair. The number of people with organs compromised for life after Covid is huge. The flu...dunno... Just sayin'...kinda like...sorta..kinda like...
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#13440 | |||
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Location: Perth Australia
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Well my research from over a year ago stated that the 1889 Russian flu was a corona virus, and again Russia was decimated by Russian flu in 1977, Maybe we have not been ascribing the right names to the right or same illnesses! Cheers Billy ![]() |
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