Covid 19 -

[Tassie f100]

So the Waste Trailer mob are doing exactly what they were told not to.Crowds at the beaches etc.14 more cases today,and after todays stupidity on the beaches the number will no doubt increase by a bigger number.When the rest of the country get back to normal the mob over there will still be locked down for months.

[GO FURTHER]

It seems to me there are some confusing "anomalies" in the stay-at-home rules.

On one side of the equation it's legal but on the other it's not?

For example;

It's legal for a tyre store or a Car dealership to remain open, but is it legal to leave your home to buy new tyres, get your car serviced or go to a car showroom to look at new cars?

If it's not a valid reason to leave your home for these reasons, then why do the above businesses stay open?

In some cases its a bit of a paradox.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

It seems to me there are some confusing "anomalies" in the stay-at-home rules.

On one side of the equation it's legal but on the other it's not?

For example;

It's legal for a tyre store or a Car dealership to remain open, but is it legal to leave your home to buy new tyres, get your car serviced or go to a car showroom to look at new cars?

If it's not a valid reason to leave your home for these reasons, then why do the above businesses stay open?

In some cases its a bit of a paradox.

If you need your car for work then keeping it roadworthy is legal.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

It seems to me there are some confusing "anomalies" in the stay-at-home rules.

On one side of the equation it's legal but on the other it's not?

For example;

It's legal for a tyre store or a Car dealership to remain open, but is it legal to leave your home to buy new tyres, get your car serviced or go to a car showroom to look at new cars?

If it's not a valid reason to leave your home for these reasons, then why do the above businesses stay open?

In some cases its a bit of a paradox.

I work in Healthcare and a happy little story I heard just last week was a nurse that I work amongst had a deflating/flat tyre, straight after her shift she went down to the local Bob jane T mart to get it fixed as she needed the car for obvious reasons.

They told her to wait 30 odd minutes, and when they were done she had 4 Brand new tyres on her car and was told "thank you for being a front line worker, and this was on us" !!!.

[BENT_8]

I'm filthy that it's ok to go away for Easter if its to your own holiday shack, so what they're saying is if your elitist and can afford a shack you only use a few times per year it's ok to invade those little communities because your rich.

Meanwhile, my whole family has been stuck at home for longer than they quarantine someone coming in from overseas for but I can't hook up the camper and be self sufficient up the river.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by guzzis3

My point exactly. If they don't keep the people onside as soon as their backs are turned people will deliberately disobey to spite them.

The messaging has been incredibly unclear, maybe deliberately so.

It took ages to get a ruling up here in qld that motorcyclists can't go for a ride, which is stupid. We are antisocial people at the best of times, no one wants to go near us. I've not heard of a single case of motorcyclist to human transmission...

People aren't allowed to go for a dive in their cars. Again zero chance of transmission.

I'm still trying to find out if we are allowed to buy and sell on gumtree under the "2 people allowed to visit your house" rule or if we'll get pinged $1300 for selling a flipping lawn mower.

But I guess we can't expect more from our politicians and cops, afterall we all know what they are like, and they haven't lifted their game one millimetre for this...

Which part of

Stay
The
Fu#k
At
Home

Is it that that you don’t understand?


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[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Nice to see all the beaches packed in Perth today. Beautiful weather, I took my drone and got some great footage. No sharks to be seen. Tomorrow is going to be even hotter. Let's see if McGowan closes the beaches.

Hope you're not complaining about people at the beach. It reminded me of this Betoota article.

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/brea...1amznPXE4UQvPs


As for the post about tyres, Car parts and car maintenance are essential items. You can buy new tyres.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Which part of

Stay
The
Fu#k
At
Home

Is it that that you don’t understand?


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There's MP asking questions about the draconian nature of Victoria's restrictions:

Victorian crossbenchers have called on the Government to immediately review some of the most draconian regulations put in place to suppress the spread of coronavirus, including directions prohibiting people sitting alone in public spaces and going fishing.

"I understand we need to take disruptive and drastic measures … but when you make those measures stupid or nonsensical, that's when you lose the community support."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...-njsV6y5FiuwJw

On Thursday at work I drove 200km+ around Melbourne's suburbs, visiting 10 different businesses and chatting with various amounts of their staff and their customers and dropped off/picked up goods.

On any given day at work I come into close contact with 50+ people.

Its fine to do that, but I can't go for a drive on the weekend by myself or wash my car even if I'm the only person at the car wash

[Fed]

To anyone now at home instead of going to work beware of bill shock from your power supplier.

[Ben73]

The hypocrisy is out of control.

We are not allowed to drive unless 100% essential because the more you drive the more chance you will be in a crash and the more times you will have to visit the fuel station, yet I saw information today saying essential workers who travel in a single vehicle now HAVE to take 1 car per person. So more cars on the road, more chance of crashes, more social interaction at fuel stations.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Fed

To anyone now at home instead of going to work beware of bill shock from your power supplier.

But look what you might be saving to offset that;

- Saving on bait cause you can't go fishing

- Saving on petrol

- Saving on tickets and overpriced popcorn at the cinemas

- Saving on a pint at the local pub

- Spending less because you might lose your job

And the list goes on.

[Captain Stubing]

Governments are struggling to contrive the best attack against this virus, to keep it controlled and contained, all around the world spending billions to keep their countries citizens and economies alive.

And we all are concerned about our rights to drive here and there in our classic cars, motorbikes, or to go to the beach.

FFS, it's a global emergency that everyone has to suffer a little bit for, until it's under control.

Me, I have to go to work against my wishes, so I can be exposed to the population who don't take this situation serious, and will be the one's helping spread it.

The government hasn't done this before, and is learning along the way, and so far Australia is fairing well compared to other countries. The rules have been made up quickly, without time to consider every situation, of course there are questions.


Do something for the country and stay at home for a bit!

We aren't all intelligent, clever, or possessing common sense. The rules are to cover all of us (even people who don't fit into the above)

[Gambit]

Originally Posted by Ben73

The hypocrisy is out of control.

We are not allowed to drive unless 100% essential because the more you drive the more chance you will be in a crash and the more times you will have to visit the fuel station, yet I saw information today saying essential workers who travel in a single vehicle now HAVE to take 1 car per person. So more cars on the road, more chance of crashes, more social interaction at fuel stations.

Yeah we got told by work they’d rather us not carpool anymore. Gone from 2 cars to 5. Roughly 150km round trip. Upside is I’m slowly getting through the backlog of podcasts but other than that I think it’s a bit ridiculous.

Then get to work & sit in the same room for our prestart meetings, just distanced more than usual.

Can’t really complain as at least I still have a job to go to. I do feel for the huge list that don’t anymore.

[GO FURTHER]

Or a simpler way to put it...

"The virus doesn't move, people move it.
If we stop moving, it stops moving, and the virus dies."


It's that simple.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Governments are struggling to contrive the best attack against this virus, to keep it controlled and contained, all around the world spending billions to keep their countries citizens and economies alive.

And we all are concerned about our rights to drive here and there in our classic cars, motorbikes, or to go to the beach.

FFS, it's a global emergency that everyone has to suffer a little bit for, until it's under control.

Me, I have to go to work against my wishes, so I can be exposed to the population who don't take this situation serious, and will be the one's helping spread it.

The government hasn't done this before, and is learning along the way, and so far Australia is fairing well compared to other countries. The rules have been made up quickly, without time to consider every situation, of course there are questions.


Do something for the country and stay at home for a bit!

We aren't all intelligent, clever, or possessing common sense. The rules are to cover all of us (even people who don't fit into the above)

There is way too much mixed messaging between what Federal Government and State Governments are doing - we're operating like we're 8 different countries.

Victoria has given Victoria Police ridiculous extra powers that are being applied unfairly and abused with no review process - until something picks up pace on social media then they decide to 'review' fines.

South Australia appears to be allowing groups of up to 10 people where as here in Victoria we can't do anything except the four things on our approval list and the police are handing out fines for ridiculous circumstances.

Victoria Police are on a doozy this year - George Pell and the sham trial by media having to make it to the highest court in our country and now this.

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There is way too much mixed messaging between what Federal Government and State Governments are doing - we're operating like we're 8 different countries.

Victoria has given Victoria Police ridiculous extra powers that are being applied unfairly and abused with no review process - until something picks up pace on social media then they decide to 'review' fines.

South Australia appears to be allowing groups of up to 10 people where as here in Victoria we can't do anything except the four things on our approval list and the police are handing out fines for ridiculous circumstances.

Victoria Police are on a doozy this year - George Pell and the sham trial having to make it to the highest court in our country and now this.

As I said, each Government is working out what to do, so each State has their own plan. George Pell has nothing to do with it.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Swanny

As I said, each Government is working out what to do, so each State has their own plan. George Pell has nothing to do with it.

'Working out what to do' is not a good enough excuse to persecute your own citizens and George Pell has everything to do with our sham police force and court system influenced by media pressure.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

'Working out what to do' is not a good enough excuse to persecute your own citizens and George Pell has everything to do with our sham police force and court system influenced by media pressure.

The only other option is getting all citizens to be OK with the thought it's alright to die.
The quarantines are only to alleviate a rush to the ICU and the morgues. It's accepted that unless a vaccine comes out we're all to get it eventually
I'm a middle aged smoking fatty so when I get it I know I'm going to die.
I'm fine with that because often I want to anyway. But I'm looking forward to a couple of sweet months of double dole before I go so I'm staying the **** at home mostly and don't care what others do

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

'Working out what to do' is not a good enough excuse to persecute your own citizens and George Pell has everything to do with our sham police force and court system influenced by media pressure.

Damien, you're argument is outside this topic, Covid 19 has nothing to do with your sham police force and court system.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Damien, you're argument is outside this topic, Covid 19 has nothing to do with your sham police force and court system.

Yes it does, it has everything to do with the current restrictions and extra powers granted in Victoria to our police who are judge jury and executioners with the ability to penalise people with $1600 fines at their discretion and the only oversight being social media.

There's serious social and political issues with this scenario.

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yes it does, it has everything to do with the current restrictions and extra powers granted in Victoria to our police who are judge jury and executioners with the ability to penalise people with $1600 fines at their discretion and the only oversight being social media.

There's serious social and political issues with this scenario.

Yes, even in Wuhan. Nothing to do with Victoria... you’re just a fly on the backside of the world. Wake up, bro!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Yes, even in Wuhan. Nothing to do with Victoria... you’re just a fly on the backside of the world. Wake up, bro!

We're not China and some communist dictatorship that can lock it's citizens inside their homes, feed bull**** to the 'World Health Organisation' who then parrots falsevinformation to the world - well we claim we aren't anyway but it seems I've been mistaken.

I'm curious about NSW as it has the highest amount of cases out of any state, what suburbs in Sydney have the highest instances of community transmission and cross it with the demographics receiving the fines?

[cheap]

Australia's current Case Fatality Rate is 0.84% i.e. our hospital systems can cope and provide appropriate care.

Using lockdown and social distancing hopefully we will curb the virus to 10,000 cases, and that means approx 100 dead.

But when C19 is left uncontrolled/hospitals overwhelmed the CFR becomes 10-12%.

Uncontrolled C19 into our entire population of 25,000,000:

10% CFR = 2,500,000 dead
5% CFR = 1,250,000 dead
3% CFR = 750,000 dead
1% CFR = 250,000 dead

Which number do people want?

FWIW, NZ which has early on implemented a total shutdown, their CFR is 0.16% (2 dead)

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by cheap

Australia's current Case Fatality Rate is 0.84% i.e. our hospital systems can cope and provide appropriate care.

Using lockdown and social distancing hopefully we will curb the virus to 10,000 cases, and that means approx 100 dead.

But when C19 is left uncontrolled/hospitals overwhelmed the CFR becomes 10-12%.

Uncontrolled C19 into our entire population of 25,000,000:

10% CFR = 2,500,000 dead
5% CFR = 1,250,000 dead
3% CFR = 750,000 dead
1% CFR = 250,000 dead

Which number do people want?

FWIW, NZ which has early on implemented a total shutdown, their CFR is 0.16% (2 dead)

I want the actual numbers not the fear porn BS estimates that is being thrown around.

The USA appears to have 470,000 cases and 17,000 deaths out of 330M people.

[DOC]

Some people are just going to bitch and complain no matter what. Sad really.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by Fed

To anyone now at home instead of going to work beware of bill shock from your power supplier.

Thank goodness for solar!

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Governments are struggling to contrive the best attack against this virus, to keep it controlled and contained, all around the world spending billions to keep their countries citizens and economies alive.

This virus is the catalyst for a dry run at a communist style lockdown, especially in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic Victoria. This is to gauge our reaction as a population. The next one will not be benign...

Tin foil? If it looks like a duck...

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Ben73

The hypocrisy is out of control.

We are not allowed to drive unless 100% essential because the more you drive the more chance you will be in a crash and the more times you will have to visit the fuel station, yet I saw information today saying essential workers who travel in a single vehicle now HAVE to take 1 car per person. So more cars on the road, more chance of crashes, more social interaction at fuel stations.

Yes... I have to work in fairly close proximity with 40 plus people five days a week and part of my job i looking after stuff they've touched and handled . That's okay apparently but if I want to take my XR6 for a run on my own or do something that's not 'essential' it's not okay .

Double standards everywhere you look but not quite as much common sense and trust on many things it seems . .I have no problem with social distancing . I have no problem with no gatherings more than two people and carrying some basic things to sanitize stuff because I don't want to get the disease and certainly don't want to be responsible for someone else getting it. It has to be enforced with common sense and respect though and not have so much confusion with interpretation by the coppers...I bet they wish for much better definitions too. Punish the blatant and defiant of course but be a bit flexible with anyone unsure of what's essential or isn't. Hope that's the case and every infringement in every State gets appropriate review .

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by LG17

Thank goodness for solar!

Yeah, who is this bloke "Bill Shock" they speak of.............

[LG17]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Yes... I have to work in fairly close proximity with 40 plus people five days a week and part of my job i looking after stuff they've touched and handled . That's okay apparently but if I want to take my XR6 for a run on my own or do something that's not 'essential' it's not okay .

Double standards everywhere you look but not quite as much common sense and trust on many things it seems . .I have no problem with social distancing . I have no problem with no gatherings more than two people and carrying some basic things to sanitize stuff because I don't want to get the disease and certainly don't want to be responsible for someone else getting it. It has to be enforced with common sense and respect though and not have so much confusion with interpretation by the coppers...I bet they wish for much better definitions too. Punish the blatant and defiant of course but be a bit flexible with anyone unsure of what's essential or isn't. Hope that's the case and every infringement in every State gets appropriate review .

You've shot your argument down with one word - want. You want to go for a drive, you don't need to.