Covid 19 -

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by lumen8

Dr. Varon in the US (Texas) uses it along with other medications as part of a treatment method he has devised.

https://www.********.com/video/rvccR4Tg6fRS/

Someone got covid on another forum I post, knocked him about a bit, then went with the above and got over it.

Yep, 'worked' once, validated by 'someone' on a forum. Therefore must be a proven treatment.

Apologies if I sound sceptical.....

[lumen8]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Yep, 'worked' once, validated by 'someone' on a forum. Therefore must be a proven treatment.

Apologies if I sound sceptical.....

I was thinking any validation is more from what Dr. Varon has achieved with multiple patients, rather than results from one person on a forum.

You'd have to watch the vid and look into Dr. Varon some more. Apparently he shares the treatment with other doctors and its use is expanding.

He has been featured on mainstream media over there also, so its not from some dark corner of the internet.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by lumen8

Dr. Varon in the US (Texas) uses it along with other medications as part of a treatment method he has devised.

https://www.********.com/video/rvccR4Tg6fRS/

Someone got covid on another forum I post, knocked him about a bit, then went with the above and got over it.

Idiots peddling bull-****

This was put up as a 'leading light' and as a reference why they should be using Ivermectin - the person posting this bull-**** didn't bother to read the detail - the devil is in the detail - see below

From: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines posted by the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health

Recommendation:
There is insufficient evidence for the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19.

and

Rationale:
Ivermectin has been shown to inhibit the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in cell cultures.However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by lumen8

Dr. Varon in the US (Texas) uses it along with other medications as part of a treatment method he has devised.

A completely different cocktail to the one he used a year ago, which at the time he claimed had a 100% success rate. Why would you fix what isn't broken?

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by russellw

I'm not disputing your conclusion as I agree with you but I do need to question the numbers.

The NSW outbreak was 'called' on July 9th and although you could probably argue it started on 26th June (the first day over 20 cases in a year), I've based my data around July 9th as Day 1.

Likewise for Victoria, I've been a bit harsher as they had lower baseline case numbers and my data collection starts from 15th July which was the first day over 10 cases.

On that basis, yesterday was day 49 for Victoria with 1,482 cases in total whereas at day 49, NSW had recorded 15,596 cases and even if we go back and call June 26th 'day one' for NSW, the first 49 days still yielded 6,996 cases.

The only way we could be at day 28 in Victoria was if you didn't count the earlier spell of 229 cases between 15/7 and 4/8 which are included in the official stats but even if we said it didn't start in Vic until August 5th, those first 28 days result in 1,252 cases (up to yesterday) while the first 28 days in NSW (9-7-5/8) recorded 4,020 cases. Even using June 26th as the 'start' in NSW still has 1,803 cases for the first 28 days and you really can't go any earlier than that when rolling daily average case numbers had been consistently in single digits for months before that date - doing anything else is just trying to make the numbers fit an agenda.

Here you go Russ;

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by b0son

A completely different cocktail to the one he used a year ago, which at the time he claimed had a 100% success rate. Why would you fix what isn't broken?

Fish tank cleaner is sooo last year.
This year is all about dewormer.
Next year it'll be painting your nose green.

[Citroënbender]

NSW just skimming under Russell’s trend line again. And we get a biscuit; people in LGAs of concern no longer have to wear their masks in the shower.

[hayseed]

Ivomec has been around for over 30yrs as a Worm treatment for Cattle..
Buy some & Treat yourself...LOL

https://www.airr.com.au/product/live...lus-injection/

[russellw]

We'll start today with the NSW/VIC outbreaks.

NSW records 1,288 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.054 (from 1.038) while the actual line is heading back toward the predictive trend line.




VIC records 176 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.1501 (from 1.111) while the actual line is now well above the predictive trend line.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

NSW Premier warns other Australian states to 'get ready'
"Vaccinate your populations, get intensive care capacity going as we've already done to make sure you can meet those challenges, because there is no way that Australia or parts of Australia will be COVID-free, especially once we hit those 70 per cent and 80 per cent double doses," Ms Berejiklian says.

Is that because Gladys is going to let her state's people free once the 70 and 80 percent targets are reached in NSW?

Perhaps Gladys is Guru Swami (let's see if anyone picks up on that reference )

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT September 1st 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

1,234 new cases for Australia and 6 deaths so the CMR is 1.837%.

76 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.713%.

The UK had a higher 35,493 cases yesterday and much higher 207 deaths for a CMR of 1.945%.

A higher 190,241 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 1,799 deaths sees CMR at 1.640%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 219M, the last 1M in 1 day;
UK moves above France to have the 2nd highest case numbers in Europe;

Nicaragua (568);
Benin (2,566) - weekly reported;
Mongolia (3,726); and
Israel (16,629) - the previous high (11,316) on 23/9/2020

... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while no countries drop below.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Perhaps Gladys is Guru Swami (let's see if anyone picks up on that reference )

I got it coz I am old

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Ivomec has been around for over 30yrs as a Worm treatment for Cattle..
Buy some & Treat yourself...LOL

https://www.airr.com.au/product/live...lus-injection/


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Living in the tropics, intestinal parasites are an ongoing issue. We both had them early days and it ain’t nice! pharmacist recommended these (below)… 2 a day for 3 days… We now do the 3 day course each 6 months and no parasites.
Interestingly, the same drug is being accessed (and actually used) in mild Covid cases to lessen severity…



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[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I got it coz I am old

Does that mean I am, too?

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Living in the tropics, intestinal parasites are an ongoing issue. We both had them early days and it ain’t nice! pharmacist recommended these (below)… 2 a day for 3 days… We now do the 3 day course each 6 months and no parasites.
Interestingly, the same drug is being accessed (and actually used) in mild Covid cases to lessen severity…
image


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At least that's an anti-viral, as well as anti-parasitic. Ivermectin is only anti-parasitic.

In saying that however...

In patients with mild COVID-19, symptom resolution did not differ between nitazoxanide and placebo groups after 5 days of therapy. However, early nitazoxanide therapy was safe and reduced viral load
significantly.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It says 'significantly', but the results show only a 10 point difference in results (55% compared to 45%). Being anti-viral though, it's bound to show some difference...

Oh and then there's this too.
https://www.science.org/news/2020/10...-covid-19-drug

"Everyone who examined the data said this reduction in viral load doesn't have any clinical or epidemiological implications,"

[tweeked]

It's looking bleak for VIC. My son's footy league just cancelled their season, at least they got a few games this year, last year none. It was his last two years in the juniors, a sad way to end his time in junior footy.

I really feel for the young kids, many are missing out now on whole slabs on "being a kid". That has a limited timeframe and you don't get a second go.

Until you are 40 and you buy a GT at least.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Lets just get some perspective, in modern times this is pretty much unheard of and even doing routine tasks all GovCo's show how slow rubbish our system is.

Who has actually done well here? The countries that culturally have discipline or they are communist and even then that's sketchy.

We had our chance, we had control, we should have had vacc rates up and we didn't.

I agree its pot luck up until this point and luckily the weather is warming up and this may assist.

Would be interesting to see how countries in the EU have opened up, what their vacc % is and how they are travelling with hospitalization.

well put buddy.....

I was suprised on this - delayed reporting on deaths.
If someone posted this before sorry not reviewing and are these incl in the recent stats quoted by GO FURTHER and Russell......
https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...31-p55qsz.html

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Polyal

We had our chance, we had control, we should have had vacc rates up and we didn't.

there are 2 reasons
1. apathy
2. no supply of vaccines

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by tweeked

It's looking bleak for VIC. My son's footy league just cancelled their season, at least they got a few games this year, last year none. It was his last two years in the juniors, a sad way to end his time in junior footy.

I really feel for the young kids, many are missing out now on whole slabs on "being a kid". That has a limited timeframe and you don't get a second go.

Until you are 40 and you buy a GT at least.

We got through our season (not making finals helps that), last year was a basketcase.
I've been thinking a lot about this too, my youngest is 15. Wearing masks and being educated on minimising contact and sharing of germs, etc is not a good environment for trying to "get it on" with your chosen crush. You don't get those years back

[russellw]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Here you go Russ

Thanks for that. Clearly, the dates I am using (based on the VIC data) is referred to in those charts as (almost) VIC Delta 1+2 and I'm OK with keeping that and I'll amend the start date from 15th July to the 13th July.

Using the 17th June as the start of NSW 2nd wave is a bit early in my mind but I'll amend my data set to use that start date even though it will alter the numbers when the case average was only 19 per day across those first 22 days.

I'll also amend the start date for VIC 2nd wave (27th May) to match.

I'll update the charts shortly to reflect that position but on that basis Victoria is now at Day 52 with a 10-day average growth rate of 1.1501 and a total of 1,663 cases while at the same 52 day point NSW had recorded 5,071 cases so the premise was still incorrect. Those charts look the way they do as they use a logarithmic scale which is not dissimilar to my polynomial growth trends which (for this purpose), I have amended to 2nd order polynomials.

Note that by this stage the Vic 2nd wave last year was already in decline (78 days in) but it would be another 74 days before it was declared over because the target was pretty much zero unlike this time.



This clearly shows a similar pattern to the log charts as the Vic growth rate has remained above that of NSW this year and also well above the rate for the outbreak in 2020. The only reason that hasn't resulted in higher case numbers is simply that Victoria had a 15 day streak of low case numbers between Delta 1 and 2 while NSW continued to climb and the growth rate impact is influenced by the base case numbers.

Perhaps the best way to show that is to show the weekly numbers with 7 weeks fully completed (we are in the 8th now).



The other two charts don't change enough to merit reloading.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by FTE217

well put buddy.....

I was suprised on this - delayed reporting on deaths.
If someone posted this before sorry not reviewing and are these incl in the recent stats quoted by GO FURTHER and Russell......
https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...31-p55qsz.html

That's a 2020 article, FTE. The giveaway was the deaths into the future....

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

That's a 2020 article, FTE. The giveaway was the deaths into the future....

DOH, thanks my error.....

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

We got through our season (not making finals helps that), last year was a basketcase.
I've been thinking a lot about this too, my youngest is 15. Wearing masks and being educated on minimising contact and sharing of germs, etc is not a good environment for trying to "get it on" with your chosen crush. You don't get those years back

yes I'm sure all us Dads in here are feeling the same.....
Damn, our youngest were dealing with a 16yr old daughter
and her elder brothers.
Were all sports people, I feel for them all but I keep telling them lucky were here, been far worse elsewhere etcetcetc.....as you do.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Yeah, drawing a long bow calling it illegal

It kills over 3000 people in Australia every year. The terminology is not important.

3000 families have to deal with this tragedy every year.

[russellw]

It's worth noting that the 'official' end to the Victorian 2nd wave last year was 26/10 which meant the total duration was 152 days - most of which were spent in some level of lockdown.

This time around (thus far), Victoria is 52 days in duration and NSW is 78 days.

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by FTE217

yes I'm sure all us Dads in here are feeling the same.....
Damn, our youngest were dealing with a 16yr old daughter
and her elder brothers.
Were all sports people, I feel for them all but I keep telling them lucky were here, been far worse elsewhere etcetcetc.....as you do.

I reckon I'd not be as concerned if it was about the daughter





(mine's past her teen years. If I'd realised how effective a mask is to keep the boys away she'd have been the first masker in the state )

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Ben73

It kills over 3000 people in Australia every year. The terminology is not important.

3000 families have to deal with this tragedy every year.

I'd say the terminology is quite important as you said breast Cancer screening is illegal and I was curious as to where you got that idea from.

However if it was illegal my wife has just broken the law again.

[ford71V8]

Just booked me and the wife in for both hits of jabby juice.


I bought a Covid 19-84 tshirt online the other day for a bit of a laugh.
I hope it arrives before my first shot appointment

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by russellw

It's worth noting that the 'official' end to the Victorian 2nd wave last year was 26/10 which meant the total duration was 152 days - most of which were spent in some level of lockdown.

This time around (thus far), Victoria is 52 days in duration and NSW is 78 days.

This is a good visual for Vic lockdowns with the Government future predicted vaccination rate target dates if anyone is interested.

[DJR-351]

Australia's international travel ban has been extended by a further three months.....

COVID-19 emergency measures extended for a further three months

https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/...three-months-0

Date published: 2 September 2021
Media type: Media release
Audience: General public

The human biosecurity emergency period under the Biosecurity Act 2015 will be extended for a further three months.

The emergency period, which has been in place since 18 March 2020 to protect Australians during the COVID-19 pandemic, will continue until 17 December 2021.

The extension, declared by the Governor General today, was informed by specialist medical and epidemiological advice provided by the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) and the Commonwealth Chief Medical Officer.

The AHPPC has advised that the international COVID-19 situation continues to pose an unacceptable risk to public health.

The extension of the emergency period is an appropriate response to that risk.

The human biosecurity emergency declaration ensures the Government has the powers to take any necessary measures to prevent and control COVID-19.

This extends the four existing emergency determinations including:

- mandatory pre-departure testing and mask wearing for international flights
- restrictions on the entry of cruise vessels within Australian territory
- restrictions on outbound international travel for Australians
- restrictions on trade of retail outlets at international airports.

To date, these and other measures have greatly assisted in protecting Australia by preventing and controlling the entry, emergence, establishment and spread of COVID-19.

Australia continues to suppress the virus to minimise community transmission, as part of our four-phase National Plan to transition Australia's National COVID Response. It is important the emergency determinations remain in place to continue to help combat COVID-19.

We will continue to review these determinations regularly to take into account the latest medical advice

The Government also continues to consult with the States and Territories and the maritime industry on options for the staged resumption of cruising when the medical advice is that it is safe to do so.

These measures in place under the Biosecurity Act 2015 the can be amended or repealed at any time.