Covid 19 - - Page 490

**GO FURTHER** · 09-09-2021, 07:21 AM

In reference to Government, politics...

To be fair, if you look at the bigger picture, I don't think any government in any country handled the pandemic as well as they could have.

Covid-19 was a curveball no one saw coming, and no government had experience handling this virus war since the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago.

We can blame our politicians playing politics, but our situation could have been much much worse... Just imagine if we had that former US president running Australia.

T3rminator · 09-09-2021, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ford71V8

Ummm
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...ddb6e38872d3d5

Of all the controls and restrictions being applied this pandemic......if this is true, it would be the most worrying IMHO. Not so much the goods involved, more so what it stands for. Whats next? Selective rationing of chocolate bars and chips?

T3rminator · 09-09-2021, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Covid-19 was a curveball no one saw coming....

Actually they did, hence Event 201 which ran in Oct 2019. Interesting timing. Also, watch the movie Contagion, you'd be surprised the similarities with what has played out.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity..../scenario.html

Trevor 57 · 09-09-2021, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Trev has an interesting way of putting words into what many are thinking, and I'm sure he wouldn't be copping it if he was slamming Vic Gov

Didn't hear many gov sympathisers during wave 2.

thank you and you are spot on - people wear their politics whether they know it or not, but their comments give them away - oh, but it is OK for them to do it

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Just looking at this talk of reopening international travel when 80% double jab is achieved, which could be "as early as November".

SARCASM Don' talk about opening Federal borders, that is our Federal Gvmt's issue, that would be talking politics - now you stop it you naughty boy

Trevor 57 · 09-09-2021, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

In reference to Government, politics...

To be fair, if you look at the bigger picture, I don't think any government in any country handled the pandemic as well as they could have.

Covid-19 was a curveball no one saw coming, and no government had experience handling this virus war since the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago.

you are spot on

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

We can blame our politicians playing politics, but our situation could have been much much worse... Just imagine if we had that former US president running Australia.

true that

Citroënbender · 09-09-2021, 08:42 AM

The massive amount of medical waste generated in a pandemic frenzy: I’ve been wondering about where it’s going; here’s one answer

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-...pike/100443968

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Originally Posted by The article

The federal government previously said there had been a hundred-fold increase in clinical waste being produced to handle coronavirus outbreaks.

PooDog · 09-09-2021, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

In reference to Government, politics...

To be fair, if you look at the bigger picture, I don't think any government in any country handled the pandemic as well as they could have.

Covid-19 was a curveball no one saw coming, and no government had experience handling this virus war since the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago.

We can blame our politicians playing politics, but our situation could have been much much worse... Just imagine if we had that former US president running Australia.

Are you for real ? No-one saw it coming? We sat down here and watched it all unfold watched the poms go hard immunity then about face when it went wrong they never closed there borders ? The bodies piled in the streets in Italy, then the US with their total disaster then Brazil, then India....all one after the other with all the lessons of what not to do ?

But hey I guess it just sneaked up on us

**GO FURTHER** · 09-09-2021, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PooDog

Are you for real ? No-one saw it coming? We sat down here and watched it all unfold watched the poms go hard immunity then about face when it went wrong they never closed there borders ? The bodies piled in the streets in Italy, then the US with their total disaster then Brazil, then India....all one after the other with all the lessons of what not to do ?

But hey I guess it just sneaked up on us

You have read my post out of the context to what I was implying.

When I stated, "Covid-19 was a curveball no one saw coming", I was referring to the the pandemic on a global basis ... Not just us little folks down here in Oz.

Read posts carefully before hitting the keyboard.
There can often be more than one interpretation.

Tassie f100 · 09-09-2021, 11:06 AM

Now Gladys has come and said basically that vaccines are mandatory if everyone wants back to some normality.If you are vaccinated you will have freedom,if not you won’t be going anywhere

Bossxr8 · 09-09-2021, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Metdevil

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27247

TL;DR - Stop spreading misinformation and get the damn vaccine...

Accuses people of posting misinformation, while posting misinformation

https://medicalrepublic.com.au/liveb...gust2021/51354

Breakthrough infections with Delta in fully vaccinated individuals show the same viral loads as infections in unvaccinated individuals, researchers have found.
The unpublished paper from Oxford University also suggests that the AstraZeneca vaccine offers slightly longer-lasting protection against the Delta variant.
The study prospectively tested 740,000 people – around half in the first Alpha wave of the pandemic and half in the latest Delta wave – regularly with RT-PCR on a preset schedule, regardless of symptoms or vaccination status.
This revealed that in the second wave, which was dominated by the Delta variant, peak viral loads in vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections were similar to those seen in unvaccinated individuals.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....31.21261387v1

We find no difference in viral loads when comparing unvaccinated individuals to those who have vaccine “breakthrough” infections. Furthermore, individuals with vaccine breakthrough infections frequently test positive with viral loads consistent with the ability to shed infectious viruses.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...V-2-delta.aspx

A US-based study has recently compared the viral load in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals who have been infected with the delta variant of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

The findings reveal that vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals exhibit similar viral loads following delta infection and that vaccine breakthrough cases have the potential to transmit infection to others.

At least do some research and stop watching the project

slowsnake · 09-09-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

In reference to Government, politics...

To be fair, if you look at the bigger picture, I don't think any government in any country handled the pandemic as well as they could have.

Covid-19 was a curveball no one saw coming, and no government had experience handling this virus war since the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago.

We can blame our politicians playing politics, but our situation could have been much much worse... Just imagine if we had that former US president running Australia.

Do you know that we did have a former US President here in WA, his name was Hoover, and he managed the Gwalia gold mine just out of Kalgoorlie, and you are correct in your assumption, Hoover lasted just 7 months, lol, from May to November 1898.........and that was just bossing a bunch of Welsh Miners around!.....

Can you dig it!..no pun intended......

Cheers Billy

Citroënbender · 09-09-2021, 11:38 AM

How long until the Covid vaccination status of a person in Australia, can be simply linked to their Medicare details? A simple 0-1-2-E (Exemption) code would cover all possible cases. I don’t like all the unnecessary doubling up of data.

**russellw** · 09-09-2021, 11:39 AM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT September 8th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

1,676 new cases for Australia and 11 deaths so the CMR is 1.603%.

27 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.705%.

The UK had a higher 38,486 cases yesterday and lower 191 deaths for a CMR of 1.884%.

A lower 147,205 new cases in the USA yesterday and lower 1,289 deaths sees CMR at 1.623%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 223M, the last 1M in 1 day;
Global deaths pass 4.6M, the last 50k in 6 days;

No countries

... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Serbia moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Tunisia and Kenya drop below.

**russellw** · 09-09-2021, 11:40 AM

NSW records 1,402 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases slightly to 1.0142 (from 1.0250) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend line.

VIC records 325 cases in the current period (a new high for this outbreak) and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.1858 (from 1.1173) while the actual line is now back above the predictive trend line.

slowsnake · 09-09-2021, 11:41 AM

And to Trevor57,
I like the style of your posts, always an opinion, but your opinion, and very honest......keep em coming....I for one enjoy them......

Cheers Billy

**Polyal** · 09-09-2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Now Gladys has come and said basically that vaccines are mandatory if everyone wants back to some normality.If you are vaccinated you will have freedom,if not you won’t be going anywhere

As if that wasnt going to happen, its been spoken about for ages, otherwise why bother with the vaccine?

FWIW my wife as of today has been asked to wear eye protection in the local hospital and we are pretty regional. Shes in mental health and not "frontline" as such.

**GO FURTHER** · 09-09-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

How long until the Covid vaccination status of a person in Australia, can be simply linked to their Medicare details? A simple 0-1-2-E (Exemption) code would cover all possible cases. I don’t like all the unnecessary doubling up of data.

Not a bad idea... But what happens when we start vaccinating children?

People under 15 can't have their own Medicare card. (On their parents card only).

slowsnake · 09-09-2021, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

How long until the Covid vaccination status of a person in Australia, can be simply linked to their Medicare details? A simple 0-1-2-E (Exemption) code would cover all possible cases. I don’t like all the unnecessary doubling up of data.

It's to keep Public service employees in their cushy jobs, blinded by their salaries and taxpayer funded extras, if anyone on this forum think they care about us " the rank and file ".....sorry, they don't, they push buttons and move papers around a desk all day, and go home satisfied and sated that it was a hard day at the office!....

PS:- George Orwell was right!

Cheers Billy

Citroënbender · 09-09-2021, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

FWIW my wife as of today…

Congratulations!

Tassie f100 · 09-09-2021, 12:00 PM

i am sure there are some senior public health officials deriving some sort of self gratification in being able to officially deny citizens going about their business and more importantly being able to go home.Case this morning where a young couple from Dalby can’t be together with their sick child because they have been in Sydney.The offer was made to fly them directly to Dalby,but that got rejected?????

**russellw** · 09-09-2021, 12:23 PM

There are still some countries struggling.

Philippines - 10DA is 18,127 - well above the 90th percentile of 8,958 and including a new daily record.

Azerbaijan - 10DA is 3,228 - above the 90th percentile of 2,605.

Israel - 10DA is 7,469 - well above the 90th percentile of 5,638 and including a new daily record.

Japan - 10DA is 15,342 - almost 2.5x above the 90th percentile of 6,250.

Kazakhstan - 10DA is 4,419 - above the 90th percentile of 3,941.

Sri Lanka - 10DA is 3,854 - above the 90th percentile of 2,673 and including a new daily record.

Palestine - 10DA is 2,448 - above the 90th percentile of 1,852.

Malaysia - 10DA is 14,438 - well above the 90th percentile of 11,655.

Thailand - 10DA is 14,789 - well above the 90th percentile of 9,731.

Vietnam - 10DA is 12,846 - more than 3x the 90th percentile of 3,446 and including a new daily record.

Norway - 10DA is 1,468 - more than 2x the 90th percentile of 689 and including a new daily record and

United Kingdom - 10DA is 36,317 - still above the 90th percentile of 34,439.

Trevor 57 · 09-09-2021, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Now Gladys has come and said basically that vaccines are mandatory if everyone wants back to some normality.If you are vaccinated you will have freedom,if not you won’t be going anywhere

Not sure I am a fan, but I do understand why and kinda agree, but the policing is going to fall to workplaces, venues etc and I am not sure that is fair

Trevor 57 · 09-09-2021, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

i am sure there are some senior public health officials deriving some sort of self gratification in being able to officially deny citizens going about their business and more importantly being able to go home.Case this morning where a young couple from Dalby can’t be together with their sick child because they have been in Sydney.The offer was made to fly them directly to Dalby,but that got rejected?????

when I hear that sentiment, I always wonder what would be the motivation of 'senior public health officials' or politicians in doing that?

To cut the earning capacity of society benefits no-one and to stop families being together as some 'power trip' is really a silly point to make - there is no benefit in them doing it, EXCEPT for public health reasons

five 7 · 09-09-2021, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Metdevil

I saw this *facepalm*
Ivermectin is not anti-viral. If they'd done even 2 minutes of research they would have known that...

Really.....maybe you need to spend a bit more time on the old google...hate to think you were spreading misinformation.

https://www.monash.edu/discovery-ins...ls-in-48-hours

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7539925/

slowsnake · 09-09-2021, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

i am sure there are some senior public health officials deriving some sort of self gratification in being able to officially deny citizens going about their business and more importantly being able to go home.Case this morning where a young couple from Dalby can’t be together with their sick child because they have been in Sydney.The offer was made to fly them directly to Dalby,but that got rejected?????

Senior Pulic servants climb the ladder, or so I was led to believe by a person who was one level below being an SPS, who informed me it is a natural progression through the ranks, age and time served, not quality of work or service.
All work places public or private have a pecking order, and it really can be a case of " if your face don't fit " you don't get ahead, seen it all to often, real life experience not off the news or internet!......

As for the Dalby couple, who made the offer and who rejected it?
The offer to fly them direct to Dalby could of been made by a private person or organisation doing " good " charitable work.
The government dident offer it surely, then turn around and reject it?

Cheers Billy

Tassie f100 · 09-09-2021, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Senior Pulic servants climb the ladder, or so I was led to believe by a person who was one level below being an SPS, who informed me it is a natural progression through the ranks, age and time served, not quality of work or service.
All work places public or private have a pecking order, and it really can be a case of " if your face don't fit " you don't get ahead, seen it all to often, real life experience not off the news or internet!......

As for the Dalby couple, who made the offer and who rejected it?
The offer to fly them direct to Dalby could of been made by a private person or organisation doing " good " charitable work.
The government dident offer it surely, then turn around and reject it?

Cheers Billy

Pretty sure it was Careflight who made the offer

**Polyal** · 09-09-2021, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Congratulations!

Thats, but that was my poor grammar, we have been married for 13 years...all of them happy happy happy

I meant as of today they have to wear eye protection along with the mask that was always mandatory.

PooDog · 09-09-2021, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

You have read my post out of the context to what I was implying.

When I stated, "Covid-19 was a curveball no one saw coming", I was referring to the the pandemic on a global basis ... Not just us little folks down here in Oz.

Read posts carefully before hitting the keyboard.
There can often be more than one interpretation.

Il agree with that In how it started in China but from then on it slowly migrated from country to country the whole world watched it spread like a slow moving train wreck they all operated independently every country did their own thing most countries medical professionals predicted what would happen still are it's not a curve ball that no -one saw coming

Guess I don't speak Stralian

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 09-09-2021, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

There are still some countries struggling.

Philippines - 10DA is 18,127 - well above the 90th percentile of 8,958 and including a new daily record.

Azerbaijan - 10DA is 3,228 - above the 90th percentile of 2,605.

Israel - 10DA is 7,469 - well above the 90th percentile of 5,638 and including a new daily record.

Japan - 10DA is 15,342 - almost 2.5x above the 90th percentile of 6,250.

Kazakhstan - 10DA is 4,419 - above the 90th percentile of 3,941.

Sri Lanka - 10DA is 3,854 - above the 90th percentile of 2,673 and including a new daily record.

Palestine - 10DA is 2,448 - above the 90th percentile of 1,852.

Malaysia - 10DA is 14,438 - well above the 90th percentile of 11,655.

Thailand - 10DA is 14,789 - well above the 90th percentile of 9,731.

Vietnam - 10DA is 12,846 - more than 3x the 90th percentile of 3,446 and including a new daily record.

Norway - 10DA is 1,468 - more than 2x the 90th percentile of 689 and including a new daily record and

United Kingdom - 10DA is 36,317 - still above the 90th percentile of 34,439.

Interesting story about Israel's struggle with Covid since opening up after achieving high vaccine rates and potential learnings for Australia. Those expecting a 'free for all' might be a little disappointed.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2...alia/100442304

Citroënbender · 09-09-2021, 01:11 PM

I felt the article was not evenly represented; it focused on cases, not deaths.

They are averaging (on a seven day basis), something like 23 Covid mortalities per day. That would be ~70 deaths per day for our population.