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26-06-2014, 07:18 PM | #121 | |||
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I agree with the 6cyl Cortina, but I was referring to Firth's efforts in successfully developing the 4cyl Cortina GT in the early to mid '60's as opposed to the Falcon of the same era. |
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26-06-2014, 08:12 PM | #122 | |||
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Also Bassxr8 my point was more to your post #99 & following one. I would say the E49 is a great car & this is a good thread respecting it. Living in Adelaiade & having mates & their fathers who worked at Chryslers may sway my opinion but not so much that I can't be a Ford man who appreciates other quality Australian made units |
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26-06-2014, 08:13 PM | #123 | |||
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Holden had JP Felice,, who didn't want to spend the money and saw that the cars were just getting faster and unsafe. You are forgetting that the Holden V8 wasn't supposed to be developed, the holden engineers who designed it went against their bosses orders. After all why build it when they could use Chevrolet engines.... The only really not great chev is the 307, was cast too soft, not good for hi performance applications. Everything is debatable from the muscle car era, that's what makes it interesting. |
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26-06-2014, 10:28 PM | #124 | ||
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27-06-2014, 12:16 PM | #125 | ||
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27-06-2014, 12:58 PM | #126 | |||
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Harry Firth had the first two GT's Falcon's on the road and working on the XW GTHO before Al Turner ever set foot here in late '68. By then Holden already had already released the 327 GTS Monaro. Debatable on who was first...Depends on your slant on history. We all know why Holden were desperate to produce their own V8 over importing the Chev. Even back then they feared that someday idiots were going to put Chev badges on Holden's!!! Unfortunately, they failed.... Yup!! |
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27-06-2014, 01:03 PM | #127 | |||
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Casting metal of the 307 is the same as most chev's as only some blocks are made of a stronger type of cast metals added. holden and ford are the same and only some cleveland blocks are stronger like XE194025 and holden HP race blocks in 308 and 202. Holden never went against GM orders but pushed for the development of it's own because of what they perceved best for an aussie car and we did not have big cars like in the USA. Germany was the same with GM Opel as they made the car for there own needs not the USA. All this rubbish about chev engines being better is hogwash in std form they are gutless as any other holden or ford. What is the best high performance block of the 5.0L be it holden ford or chev = the windsor 302 in fact. |
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27-06-2014, 01:22 PM | #128 | |||
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Now HD X2 well perfomance type sort of No the XR GT 289 was the start of a aussie performance car, end of story. True mucle car ? The HK-T-G 327 or 350 Monaro could not be consedered a real high perfomance car as in the likes of a XW-Y GT-HO P2 or P3 Never did holden have a worked V8 engine as such for sale publicly from the factory. The only worked engine holden had was a 6 cyl called XU-1. Valiant had only the 265 hemi types for what one would call a worked a HP engine. |
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27-06-2014, 01:34 PM | #129 | ||
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Old Norm Beechey did all right in the S4, even if it did mean shifting the cogs on the column......
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27-06-2014, 08:03 PM | #130 | |||
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Yup !! Nice diversion... |
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27-06-2014, 09:43 PM | #131 | ||
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Let me guess MethodX. You have a P.O.S. V6 Dunnydore with Chevy stickers/ badges on it. And you think its faster than a Brocky Special on wet nite, because you can spin the wheels in the rain with the extra 100hp from the wet roads.
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27-06-2014, 09:50 PM | #132 | |||
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And I drive a ford actually. |
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27-06-2014, 10:19 PM | #133 | ||
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Could you try conversing without resorting to personal insults please ?
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27-06-2014, 10:34 PM | #134 | ||
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28-06-2014, 02:59 AM | #136 | ||
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Huh?? Ford Aus failed where??? Both XW GTHO PH II and early HG GTS 350 were released around the same time...actually a month apart.
But I'll leave it to you. Show me where Ford Aus 'failed' with the XW GTHO PH II against the all conquering and later released McKinnon blocked, HG GTS Monaro 350 'secret weapon' that AMCM are ****ing themselves over?? Find me one factory stock McKinnon blocked HG GTS 350 that's quicker than the Phase II GTHO or mighty R/T Charger E 49 over the 1/4 mile even with the benefit of dyno tuning 42 years later. Where did the 'Macka' blocked HG Munro 'special' ever beat either one on track, including Bathurst???.....I'll give you a hint....it never happened!!! So you can if, but, maybe and theorize all you like. At the the end of the day the HG GTS 350 is a nice looking stop gap model until the HQ. In fact, I'd love to own one over a HT GTS 350!! But it ain't in the same category as a R/T Charger or XW GTHO PHII regardless of what myths AMCM want to purport ...Like they say in the 'Commodore' coupe ad's....game over. Yup indeed. But they still did it!!! Still do.... Sorry, no diversion here champ....backed with facts... But there's a time where you need to put the shovel down, especially when you hit rock bottom....here's your chance... Thanks for playing!!! |
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28-06-2014, 05:28 AM | #137 | |||
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Closing in 2016 innit? Im not disputing the fact that the phase 2 and phase 3 were faster. I was simply highlighting the untapped potential the 350 Monaro had, and a pity GM decided not to pursue it. Personally I would like a phase 1, a Windsor ho. No need to go off on a tangent like a yank neocon. All the old muscle cars are in the same category and should be revered. from all 3 companies, well 4 if you include AMC. |
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28-06-2014, 01:03 PM | #138 | |||
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Like the HG Munro, there's potential in ALL muscle cars. Particularly when dyno tuned and tested 42 years later. The point is ??????? Off on a tangent 'like a yank neocon'?? Funny. All I'm doing is providing facts to the claims you make in your posts. You put 'em in there, not me. Maybe and not quite. But anywho, I'm done here. |
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28-06-2014, 01:44 PM | #140 | ||
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28-06-2014, 01:50 PM | #141 | ||
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considering I used play around with Toranas, a Monaro and hae owned a few kingswood I am one to talk. name a fast car Holden had in the 1970's I cant can you??
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28-06-2014, 01:51 PM | #142 | ||
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how many Holdens in the 70's pushed 14 second quarters??
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28-06-2014, 02:16 PM | #144 | |||
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yes they where. Pottery beige is just upset because I spoke the truth. I hope he realises that I actually like the old Holden's up to the VL Commodore. after that I've never really liked them too much. |
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28-06-2014, 03:38 PM | #145 | |||
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28-06-2014, 04:27 PM | #146 | ||
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probably because I've got better **** to do then going around trolling people. and that's it. I spoke nothing because I wanted to find out peoples opinion about Chargers and I don't have to go back in the day as most of the old **** heaps like your that XA in your profile pic where cheap back 15 years ago. these where the cars I played around with and how I learnt about cars. I'm younger then you but i'm in my 30's. so yes I could get my hands on these cars back in the day when they quite cheap. I've never driven a Charger the closest I got was a Valiant Regal Coupe I was thinking of buying of a mate 14 years ago. My uncle had 351 powered XA coupe. besides having a nice note and looked tough. it was a bucket of ****. I've driven a few Toranas V8 and 6 cylinder. I even driven a gutless sunbird and a UC. the V8 Toranas weren't really all the quick as people like you make out. so I'm waiting for you to tell me all these Holdens that Holden made that ran 14 second quarter miles times??
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28-06-2014, 05:14 PM | #148 | |||
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Which E49 could do 140mph+? According to this article the blueprinted race track versions they could add an extra 1000rpm and get to 130mph which is quick, but you can't match the top end of a V8, even the article acknowledges the Phase 3's
It's a good read: http://www.chargerclubofwa.asn.au/me...asp?iMediaID=7
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28-06-2014, 06:03 PM | #150 | |||
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I thought so too!
The Chargers were and are a beautiful car but it didn't reflect this on the race track. Most Ford fanatics know Ford at the time of the HO's were underquoting both power and acceleration times (as they still do now) and the Phase 3's were way quicker than what was on paper.
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