Ambitious China

[George V]

QUOTE GasoLane; "Seeing as China is the flavour of the month/year they conveniently forgot England, the USA and Canada.

And it seems that Canada doubled China's buying in 1027/2018"

Canadian pension funds were looking for investment opportunities in Australia for last few years and were in the run for acquiring some infrastructure assets too. They have funds to invest and presumed trying to spread their portfolio and risks.... So are other managed funds, sovereign funds and others.

Regards,
George V

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Holly molly. So you are saying you can think like a nazi, act like a nazi, but as long as you are not a communist, then its ok?!?!? Wasn't it the communists who defeated the nazis?

Speaking of control of banks. What happened during the GFC? It was the biggest transfer of wealth in our time, was China behind it? Crickey!



Agree. Abe has been a very strong ally of the US. There are a lot of japanese citizens who have been protesting against foreign military bases on their soil, will be interesting to see if there is a shift in policy.

If China was not controlled by Communist today I do not think we would have a problem on our hands, it's their intentions that are the problem, I do not want to become a filthy murdering Communist grub, I totally despise Communism and any Socialist Government Nazi or otherwise because they are all a cancer.

The GFC was a creation in fact ! hell I can remember my dad and every business man in the pub pointed out at the creation of the housing scam that started way back in the day. they were laughing about such madness could not work and then the chickens came home to roost.
It all was a total scam from the beginning that every business man said such would come to bite all involved. and so many years later it did.

The real big banks only cleaned up in fact, they can never loose, it's only the smaller banks that get shafted in fact. hey be carful if you have a investment or housing loan bro as to who it's with. not all banks are the same type of thing.
We had a real good Banking system before the Socialist undermined it with Keating kicking it down and every Aussie business was shafted by his games, I remember that to bro.

China is not the problem it's Communism that is.

[Fordman1]

Wow, wacko posting here ?

[gooseneck]

This I believe is the thread meant to keep these kind of posts out of the more serious Australia - China - Politics thread.

[gooseneck]

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.”
― Dwight D. Eisenhower

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Wow, wacko posting here ?

Most can not handle the truth nor do they bother to look into anything other than what the Socialist controlled media print. media indoctrinated simpletons who will end up slaves to Chinas Communist plans for you all.

What is Communist Chinas ambition, it's to dominate the world, but don't tell anyone because most can't handle the truth because they are not mature enough to understand the facts of history. let alone they have never bothered to seek anything beyond what they were told and that's why Australia is doomed to fail. sadly what all them diggers did was in vain, because we are set to become Communist.

Now I do agree that Communism is good for controlling a backward hopeless 3rd rate people however. but I don't aspire to such.

I have talked to many a Communist and all of them were total brainwashed morons who lacked any depth in reality. not to mention that Socialism is a ends to Communism. but if you do not understand such well how the hell could you truly understand Chinas Ambitions in fact.

[Charliewool]

So.... Whatcha gunna do about it Mick?
Come on.... What’s Your blueprint to stop this red hoard taking over?

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

............ What is Communist Chinas ambition, it's to dominate the world ....... but if you do not understand such well how the hell could you truly understand Chinas Ambitions in fact.

Just like the Brits.
I suggest that is more understood than what you imply. They will dominate through business and investment, it is to be an Asian century. In my opinion they plan to do it in more peaceful than the colonisers of the past.

They consider they are simply retaking their rightful place.
Yes, communism starts with socialism, its not for everyone but with a large population, half of which were farmers or fishers, maybe that works for them.

I am not sure we want to 'stop' them from making business where there is mutual benefits. We do need to be better at the negotiating table.

I couldn't recall where diggers fought Chinese, assume you were referring to invasion. May be wrong but not sure that is how they will roll.

[T3rminator]

I take comfort in the knowledge that the world has learnt from the past, and will not let the 40s repeat, irrespective of ideologies, beliefs or governing systems. And by "world" i don't mean just the US.

The way it is playing out, this whole thing is looking like it has little to do with fighting for "freedom" and "justice". But everything to do with economic and technological dominance. Although you can use propaganda of one to achieve the other. Huawei, tiktok, alibaba are prime examples, it seems they are being targeted because they are the market leaders. We are told all chinese people have no freedom, and all companies belongs to the CCP, if that was real then similar brands like OnePlus and Xiaomi should also be targeted. But they are not, because they are insignificant. If security is really the trigger, we would be banning a lot more technology coming out of China. How many of your smart TVs actaully have PBCs made or assembled in China, how do you know they are not spying on you in your own home? And Telsa will start exporting China made EVs in the very near future, think about the risk there.

Take 5g for example, why is the US going so hard at Huawei? The 5g market is estimated to be a multi trillion dollar industry by 2030...yes trillion....some estimates have put the market up by as much as $17t. Prior to the sanctions, Huawei had no real competitor of any significance, it was going to dominate.

Here is motley fool's take on 5g.
https://www.fool.com.au/free-stock-r...15fbcl10000078

This talk of all out war is unlikely. What would be the cause? Who wants to send their fathers, brothers, sisters to die over a fight between the US and China?

Meanwhile, certain sectors of our agri business will suffer. Won't be long till it spreads elsewhere. I sure do hope there is a plan.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I take comfort in the knowledge that the world has learnt from the past, and will not let the 40s repeat, irrespective of ideologies, beliefs or governing systems. And by "world" i don't mean just the US.

The way it is playing out, this whole thing is looking like it has little to do with fighting for "freedom" and "justice". But everything to do with economic and technological dominance. Although you can use propaganda of one to achieve the other. Huawei, tiktok, alibaba are prime examples, it seems they are being targeted because they are the market leaders. We are told all chinese people have no freedom, and all companies belongs to the CCP, if that was real then similar brands like OnePlus and Xiaomi should also be targeted. But they are not, because they are insignificant. If security is really the trigger, we would be banning a lot more technology coming out of China. How many of your smart TVs actaully have PBCs made or assembled in China, how do you know they are not spying on you in your own home? And Telsa will start exporting China made EVs in the very near future, think about the risk there.

Take 5g for example, why is the US going so hard at Huawei? The 5g market is estimated to be a multi trillion dollar industry by 2030...yes trillion....some estimates have put the market up by as much as $17t. Prior to the sanctions, Huawei had no real competitor of any significance, it was going to dominate.

Here is motley fool's take on 5g.
https://www.fool.com.au/free-stock-r...15fbcl10000078

This talk of all out war is unlikely. What would be the cause? Who wants to send their fathers, brothers, sisters to die over a fight between the US and China?

Meanwhile, certain sectors of our agri business will suffer. Won't be long till it spreads elsewhere. I sure do hope there is a plan.

I think it has started but building better relations with India for exports would be a good idea right now but they are in a world of hurt with CV19 too.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

So.... Whatcha gunna do about it Mick?
Come on.... What’s Your blueprint to stop this red hoard taking over?

It more to do about what people think Communism is, that's the problem.
I have talked to many Communist in Australia and not one of them has any true idea what it truly is in fact, wishful thinking is all that it is in the main, oh they claim they got it wrong in the past, but utopias are a fools paradise.

The Communist will crash and burn eventually, because they are full of moronic idiots.

Yes I know people who have lived under Communism and they say in some ways they had more freedom than in Australia to be idiots or stupid disregard for life on the roads driving crap cars blowing smoke ect. but talking to the ones who are bright, Doctors or people who want a better life, they point to the reality's that they sure as hell don't want to deal with that again, but if sitting around like a no hopper is ones bag maybe it's not so bad, many people who take drugs are that way inclined and people who I know who say they are content with anything as long as everyone is in the same boat. you see such people are simple weak minded shallow and never truly a real Man, but a boy trapped in their selfish ego driven dementia and that's why equality becomes a idol for them, because they can't handle the truth.

[GasoLane]

.../\...I think I need a Panadol.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Just like the Brits.
I suggest that is more understood than what you imply. They will dominate through business and investment, it is to be an Asian century. In my opinion they plan to do it in more peaceful than the colonisers of the past.

They consider they are simply retaking their rightful place.
Yes, communism starts with socialism, its not for everyone but with a large population, half of which were farmers or fishers, maybe that works for them.

I am not sure we want to 'stop' them from making business where there is mutual benefits. We do need to be better at the negotiating table.

I couldn't recall where diggers fought Chinese, assume you were referring to invasion. May be wrong but not sure that is how they will roll.

I am not on about Chinas people, but dictatorships.

In reality what is peddled nowadays as to do with History is only indoctrination and not an education, such is only a one sided position that lacks any real value as to the true history in reality's , so they peddle all the hype giving such hype more value than the reality endured for the times. so young people are totally oblivious to such as the hardship endured in the times ect, so they have lost all reality of the real subject that was at hand.
So such a ignorant moronic fool will have the guile to say sorry for another generation before them. not to mention such morons will even try to tout the generation that did not exist with a hex.
What a God less deranged Australia we have nowadays so easy led simple minded dupes.
We have been played for fools and we are kept in the dark on Nuclear advancement's of new Generation power plants, we are forbidden to even talk about such advancement's.
we are living in the 1960's with that attitude ffs ! how are we going to compete living under a rock.

When a dictatorship takes over us, no one will have a voice on any issue what soever at all.
The Devil is in the detail, Australians are sh----g in our own nest. we are being led astray by Cultural Marxist degenerates.

[FTE217]

Far out - mocking colonists/explorers to new worlds way back then to the Asian drive of today through the corporate/business/banking/investment advance being more peaceful lol.....
Yes on one hand the past had explorers with only a map and wind as intel stepping onto land inhabitants couldn't comprehend, pretty much visa versa and sadly Brits/Spanish etc due to ignornance went to violence - I don't excuse that at all BUT todays advancement to near on all countires is calculated with all the intel at disposal - looks peaceful by presentations/graphs and figures but its to gain ground/leverage more so for themselves with the camoflauge of hiding behind subsidies etcetcetc.....
Put it this way, do you prefer being the Landlord or the tennant ?
Cheeez for T3rmin, majority here knows nothing of Xiaomi mobiles, not in this country - OnePlus a little, why would the average person make any noise about them, phhhhft.
Add in the UK making a stand re 5G as well you forgot to mention.
Mate, come on you know more than you lead on about China from memory.
They have freedom as they know it, wherever you grow up thats the way you know life to be but I know for a fact manymany are not happy, they are walking zombies, I couldn't fathom living their life tbh and people complain here, still don't know how good we have it tbh.
Ofcourse the CCP don't own every single business in the vast land but excl the companies they do own under alias names the private companies are goverened just as here re tax's and all BUT have far more rules to apply, if the CCP suddnely change a law its not democratic its tuff titties you jump or your gone.
You also know you lease the land your business is on - it can be fleased from under your feet.
Also the amount of bribes paid by business owners to the local CCP Provence officer depending on circumstances.
So apart from robbing their own people the Asian century already doesn't taste good imo.
G6ET, you ask those youth today what its like under CCP today, I'm sure a good % of the educated ones will say otherwise.
Ask the poor how are they living today ?
Ask about those in regional areas why their rivers/lakes are puke ! water levels decreasing.
People thrown out of their Provence for modern crappy quality buildings.
The only reasonable point you brought up - is yes we and every country need to negotiate farfar better instead of worrying about just the MONEY ! neglecting the knock off effects that later gens pay for.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Cheeez for T3rmin, majority here knows nothing of Xiaomi mobiles, not in this country - OnePlus a little, why would the average person make any noise about them, phhhhft.
Add in the UK making a stand re 5G as well you forgot to mention.
Mate, come on you know more than you lead on about China from memory.
.

Wowee you make a lot of assumptions. I know as much as I know from the people I speak to, and reading what is being reported that might be contrary to popular opinion. But it seems every time someone asks a question that doesn't "tow the line", accusations fly. I have set foot in China...once. For a 2 week holiday. Certainly was an eye opener. Mind you didn't see any oppressed people, starving or being kidnapped by police. Not that I went looking.

UK's stand against 5g, why don't you tell us, is that due to concerns on spying or is it due to concerns on security of future supply of equipment due to sanctions? UK is part of the 5 eyes, why did they approve BEFORE the sanctions?

Xiaomi, Oneplus - that is my point though, they are not being targeted because their market share is insignificant...So is this security or just market dominance? Mind you, Xiaomi is catching up...
https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone...t-share/vendor

Anyhow, it doesn't matter. There will never be a balanced debate on this topic. Look at all public figures that pop their head up every now and then to challenge the status quo. Its like wacko mole...bash. And accusations fly.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Far out - mocking colonists/explorers to new worlds way back then to the Asian drive of today through the corporate/business/banking/investment advance being more peaceful lol.....
Yes on one hand the past had explorers with only a map and wind as intel stepping onto land inhabitants couldn't comprehend, pretty much visa versa and sadly Brits/Spanish etc due to ignornance went to violence - I don't excuse that at all BUT todays advancement to near on all countires is calculated

Colonists, yeah not a good example but my point was they won't bring troops here and invade, they don't want to stop the trade.
If a business is paying their dues, why would the CCP stop that ?
Yes, river water is bad but they are working that. Not sure what they do about the groundwater.
Not sure the new cities are crappy, look pretty flash to me and certainly better than the humpies that were there. Obviously the CCP want more business, more middle class.
Who let them do the poor deals with their exports, or the IP agreement(s) ?
Who did not have the smartz to control where we are at now ?

The point of the thread was regardless or their methods, political status, poor people, water, the sheer speed on how fast they are advancing, tech advances over and above the ones we let them steal.
Its not all legal (sea claims) but they are simply marching forward at a faster pace that any other.

Sure the commentary on politics, water etc. is relative but maybe its deviating from the ambitious bit

I was thinking, not that I am saying everyone should but space travel, space station in 2 yrs, Gen 5 weapons, economy, new big city every year?

As someone said here, we cant even change tax laws even though we talk about it but continue to be robbed...familiar

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Wowee you make a lot of assumptions. I know as much as I know from the people I speak to, and reading what is being reported that might be contrary to popular opinion. But it seems every time someone asks a question that doesn't "tow the line", accusations fly. I have set foot in China...once. For a 2 week holiday. Certainly was an eye opener. Mind you didn't see any oppressed people, starving or being kidnapped by police. Not that I went looking.

UK's stand against 5g, why don't you tell us, is that due to concerns on spying or is it due to concerns on security of future supply of equipment due to sanctions? UK is part of the 5 eyes, why did they approve BEFORE the sanctions?

Xiaomi, Oneplus - that is my point though, they are not being targeted because their market share is insignificant...So is this security or just market dominance? Mind you, Xiaomi is catching up...
https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone...t-share/vendor

Anyhow, it doesn't matter. There will never be a balanced debate on this topic. Look at all public figures that pop their head up every now and then to challenge the status quo. Its like wacko mole...bash. And accusations fly.

Thankyou, you just confirmed my hunch.
Assumptions eh by me.
So your intel is people here.
What you read on the internet.
Been to China for a 2wk hol.
and another point is "not toeing the line" accusations fly.
Keep reading the internet for "facts"
FYI my assumptions come from near on 20yrs of business travels to China min 4times a year, some years to 6.
My stays have been up to a month during our developing years - not being around tourist Shanghai/Beijing but right out west/south, the regional areas, Factory cities/towns, real China.
I've have come to know certain business associates like family, been to weddings and have built relationships even with some Factory workers and below management level employees IF I can call them that.
I've walked the streets/shopping centres/eaten what you wouldn't even know. I love people watching.
I read the daily news papers, what a load of CCP chest puffing and building tensions towards the Japs/NK etc, we have muscle.
I have conversations with all these people I've come to know about life.
I listen to them.
So many always want to come home with me and or ask to work for my company.
In saying that I see them happy but they are depressed for they have NO outlets alot of them.
The general person is no where near the same as here.
Anyway this is why I pull you up.
The internet is what you wish to believe, nothing beats seeing the proof with your own eyes.
I'm not bothering to counter re the UK 5G for I just get too mad about it all seeing people justify topics with only a journalists pov that TBH they are the ones you should question more than anybody else.
Please excuse me for my tone.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Thankyou, you just confirmed my hunch.
my assumptions come from near on 20yrs of business travels to China min 4times a year, some years to 6.
My stays have been up to a month during our developing years - not being around tourist Shanghai/Beijing but right out west/south, the regional areas, Factory cities/towns, real China.
I've have come to know certain business associates like family, been to weddings and have built relationships even with some Factory workers and below management level employees I

You are well qualified to quote what you have ! Fair call external messaging (i.e what we read) would be well 'crafted'.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

The point of the thread was regardless or their methods, political status, poor people, water, the sheer speed on how fast they are advancing, tech advances over and above the ones we let them steal.
Its not all legal (sea claims) but they are simply marching forward at a faster pace that any other.

Careful mate, you've already been flagged on here as having different "intentions" You don't need to speak anything positive of them, by just asking the questions being reported you get put into the same camp.

Originally Posted by FTE217

Thankyou, you just confirmed my hunch.

Well thanks for clarifying that. I haven't had the privilege of the experience you've had.

But there you go assuming again. People include friends and relatives that, some live in China - including HK and Taiwan (not intending to be contentious), some who grew up there but have migrated else where. It is different to what I am reading and hearing which is why I question whether we are being told the full story.

Ok so you don't want to talk about 5G. Maybe you know something the UK goverment isn't telling the public. Fact remains, they voted for it. After sanctions, they reversed their decision, citing security of supply into the future.

What do you think is behind this then? Why is France, Germany, UK opposing the US led motion? Have they been co-erced by China? Or do you think they can think on their own? I'm not supporting either side, just interested to hear what you think is going on here....but only if you can be bothered.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...curity-council

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...re-on-the-west

[T3rminator]

Disclosure, I am not the author, but this is exactly what I was getting at a few posts ago...... dominance of technology and economics, under the guise of "security". Sorry if you disagree.

https://www.theage.com.au/technology...01-p55r8r.html

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Colonists, yeah not a good example but my point was they won't bring troops here and invade, they don't want to stop the trade.
If a business is paying their dues, why would the CCP stop that ?
Yes, river water is bad but they are working that. Not sure what they do about the groundwater.
Not sure the new cities are crappy, look pretty flash to me and certainly better than the humpies that were there. Obviously the CCP want more business, more middle class.
Who let them do the poor deals with their exports, or the IP agreement(s) ?
Who did not have the smartz to control where we are at now ?

The point of the thread was regardless or their methods, political status, poor people, water, the sheer speed on how fast they are advancing, tech advances over and above the ones we let them steal.
Its not all legal (sea claims) but they are simply marching forward at a faster pace that any other.

Sure the commentary on politics, water etc. is relative but maybe its deviating from the ambitious bit

I was thinking, not that I am saying everyone should but space travel, space station in 2 yrs, Gen 5 weapons, economy, new big city every year?

As someone said here, we cant even change tax laws even though we talk about it but continue to be robbed...familiar

Mate, they have their business troops here right now, WTF
Ofcourse to increase their trade and also their political ways.
Do you think every single Nationalised Chinese Aussie is behind here 110% ? those who start to get into local politics/the Reserve Bank and Finance sectors. Please don't be so niave unless I'm mistaken.
Mate, the pollution over there is way past to recovery.
Its so woeful I just can't quote here what I'd prefer to say.
Yer the new cities look flash on the screen, I've seen them developed from ground up having gone so many times.
The workmanship is absolutely sub standard.
I'm a ex mechanic and Engineer also a hands on person with my cars and home, their work is like a new paint job but the prep is woeful !
Its funny its always us consumers who see the questionable long term judgement done by the people we voted in, for lets face it they are not hands on thats part of the prob......they are immersed by the flashy ROI but at what cost.
The many business's I know that have been succcessful here is because the BOSS/owner gets out in the field once a week or fortnight or at least a monthly.
Then he gets where his business deal could prosper more or not.
Govs should look to have real source from the field instead of being just in the board room.
I get the point of the thread.
Its easy to see why the Chinese have grown so quick, you only had to look at the Jap car, it took them for eg 30+ yrs to gain cred, followed cutting it back to 20+ for Korea whereas the Chinese car developed quicker (reverse engineering) is struggling to gain traction on our shores BUT has grown very much in poorer countries like Chile for eg, 20+ Chinese brands in that market at very low start base.
Tech, well they are just following on from Taiwan/Korea purely due to their massive Factory production abilities and the copious amounts of other consumables made for Export.
Its not being smart really but the ability of having such a large low wage base population to exploit and proper.
Good on them for that but I have no respect for the CCP with all the money they have for their poor is not much better off let alone the working standards in many many companies.
Normal workers are treated like a piece of you know what.
If you treat your people as such what does it say about the heirachy integrity doing business with other countries.

OK T3rmin you have some intel, noted as much my chinese co herts reply.
By the way, I hadn't assumed again, just once

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Mate, the pollution over there is way past to recovery.
Its so woeful I just can't quote here what I'd prefer to say.

Yes, 100%. Food sourced from there, especially those grown in soil like garlic, ginger, rice etc, is something that our family avoid at all cost. I don't feed any of my pets where ingredients are sourced from there either. The people there know it too, hence why our food products are so valuable to them.

Unless there is some miraculous technology that can reverse the damage, it will be a big problem going forward. But having said that, I have visited "The Eden Project" in the UK, which kinda makes me think anything is possible.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Colonists, yeah not a good example but my point was they won't bring troops here and invade, they don't want to stop the trade.
If a business is paying their dues, why would the CCP stop that ?
Yes, river water is bad but they are working that. Not sure what they do about the groundwater.
Not sure the new cities are crappy, look pretty flash to me and certainly better than the humpies that were there. Obviously the CCP want more business, more middle class.
Who let them do the poor deals with their exports, or the IP agreement(s) ?
Who did not have the smartz to control where we are at now ?

The point of the thread was regardless or their methods, political status, poor people, water, the sheer speed on how fast they are advancing, tech advances over and above the ones we let them steal.
Its not all legal (sea claims) but they are simply marching forward at a faster pace that any other.

Sure the commentary on politics, water etc. is relative but maybe its deviating from the ambitious bit

I was thinking, not that I am saying everyone should but space travel, space station in 2 yrs, Gen 5 weapons, economy, new big city every year?

As someone said here, we cant even change tax laws even though we talk about it but continue to be robbed...familiar

In bold......
T3rmin will agree maybe ? knowing his background, they love doing deals, the quick and the dead, I've sat in board rooms over many discussions of new business opportunities and I marvel at the aggressive and loud nature of getting the deal over the line, they love a long session and I feel they rate their client how much of a fight they give them to come to the final agreement. They love a contest.
Then as time goes by once they have enjoyed the relationship honeymoon is over the approach changes suttley, you have to dot the i's cross the t's for they have sneaked a change in without advise - those not on the pulse get burnt.
Before you know it they have opened up another deal with a competitor.
For the many many Compnaies I have been involved with ther eis only so few that are honourable.
So many companies over there can't help themselves wanting more in turn building short bridges.
They have not learnt the grass is not always greener on the otherside.
Its in the DNA. Dog eat dog.
Yes hence the accelaration.
Another point you mentioned about the IP.
Yes this is a catch22 scenario for any company wishing to have a slice of the China domestic pie.
Last I knew you had to agree to sell X % of your IP to them, I see this as fair business int he big picture BUT the problem is you can't trust anyone there.
Your IP drawings have been emailed out to xyz company who within months reverse engineered your product in a blink of an eye.
This is so hard to track and to then take them to court - you got buckleys chance.
I have been at large Industry shows there and companies I know have come to see me and advise their product is front and centre in another brand.
We also had one experience as such, you give up for its like playing hide and seek trying to source the facts so you can throw the book at them.
and you guys wonder why people have concerns.

Yes T3rmin, our Food and ag is GOLD to them, we should leverage our position far better - and also NOT allow any ownership but only "lease's" that can be terminated immediately.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FTE217

In bold......
T3rmin will agree maybe ? knowing his background, they love doing deals, the quick and the dead, I've sat in board rooms over many discussions of new business opportunities and I marvel at the aggressive and loud nature of getting the deal over the line, they love a long session and I feel they rate their client how much of a fight they give them to come to the final agreement. They love a contest.

<snip>

Yes T3rmin, our Food and ag is GOLD to them, we should leverage our position far better - and also NOT allow any ownership but only "lease's" that can be terminated immediately.

I'm not a business owner so can't comment on how they do business, but yes have heard they do drive a hard bargain. Except when it comes to property, they will give you 30% over value for it

A lease that you can terminate immediately.....good luck. Who would want to take up a lease like that? If you knew your landlord can kick you out immediately, would you rent from him/her? Hence why I think these bills being introduced need to be carefully implemented. It's a bit like resource stocks. You avoid the companies that go into country where the gov can take the mine away willy nilly after you have done all the hard work. It sounds like we are putting in bills that will allow us to do just that, which is going to deter a lot of investments, maybe not from the likes of US, Canada and UK, but asia in general will be nervous. To some, that might be a good thing.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Mate, they have their business troops here right now, WTF
Ofcourse to increase their trade and also their political ways.
Do you think every single Nationalised Chinese Aussie is behind here 110% ? those who start to get into local politics/the Reserve Bank and Finance sectors. Please don't be so niave unless I'm mistaken.
Mate, the pollution over there is way past to recovery.
Its so woeful I just can't quote here what I'd prefer to say.
Yer the new cities look flash on the screen, I've seen them developed from ground up having gone so many times.
The workmanship is absolutely sub standard.
I'm a ex mechanic and Engineer also a hands on person with my cars and home, their work is like a new paint job but the prep is woeful !
Its funny its always us consumers who see the questionable long term judgement done by the people we voted in, for lets face it they are not hands on thats part of the prob......they are immersed by the flashy ROI but at what cost.
The many business's I know that have been succcessful here is because the BOSS/owner gets out in the field once a week or fortnight or at least a monthly.
Then he gets where his business deal could prosper more or not.
Govs should look to have real source from the field instead of being just in the board room.
I get the point of the thread.
Its easy to see why the Chinese have grown so quick, you only had to look at the Jap car, it took them for eg 30+ yrs to gain cred, followed cutting it back to 20+ for Korea whereas the Chinese car developed quicker (reverse engineering) is struggling to gain traction on our shores BUT has grown very much in poorer countries like Chile for eg, 20+ Chinese brands in that market at very low start base.
Tech, well they are just following on from Taiwan/Korea purely due to their massive Factory production abilities and the copious amounts of other consumables made for Export.
Its not being smart really but the ability of having such a large low wage base population to exploit and proper.
Good on them for that but I have no respect for the CCP with all the money they have for their poor is not much better off let alone the working standards in many many companies.
Normal workers are treated like a piece of you know what.
If you treat your people as such what does it say about the heirachy integrity doing business with other countries.

Well informed, good input, knowledgeable and indeed relative
All for a unified push to normalise or make fair global economy starting at the biggest, np. 'developing country bs' is obviously ****ed up

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Mate...

And my input was however they do it, the Chinese are developing 'ambitiously' and as you state, at the expense of the people.
Again, respectively , good input/insight into how they roll internally

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by FTE217

In bold......
T3rmin will agree maybe ? knowing his background, they love doing deals, the quick and the dead, I've sat in board rooms over many discussions of new business opportunities and I marvel at the aggressive and loud nature of getting the deal over the line, they love a long session and I feel they rate their client how much of a fight they give them to come to the final agreement. They love a contest................

full respect but you people must have detailed and less defined commercial positioning that I am used to.
Sure I don't do commercials on LNG sales but no way after the Contact is signed I need to listen to a raised voice

[Mr_G6ET]

Sorry multiple post but you go to bed earl for some reason
https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...81d5deb3bb10ab

[gooseneck]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Its in the DNA. Dog eat dog.

Yes T3rmin, our Food and ag is GOLD to them, we should leverage our position far better - and also NOT allow any ownership but only "lease's" that can be terminated immediately.

I wouldn't give anything to people of today who think that they are descended from Genghis Kahn.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/06/09/genghis-khan/

You may have also heard of the hidden-in-plain-sight Religion known as Yoga.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I'm not a business owner so can't comment on how they do business, but yes have heard they do drive a hard bargain. Except when it comes to property, they will give you 30% over value for it

A lease that you can terminate immediately.....good luck. Who would want to take up a lease like that? If you knew your landlord can kick you out immediately, would you rent from him/her? Hence why I think these bills being introduced need to be carefully implemented. It's a bit like resource stocks. You avoid the companies that go into country where the gov can take the mine away willy nilly after you have done all the hard work. It sounds like we are putting in bills that will allow us to do just that, which is going to deter a lot of investments, maybe not from the likes of US, Canada and UK, but asia in general will be nervous. To some, that might be a good thing.

Really ending.
Is that so re 30% more - first I've heard of that for NOONE I've spoken with have quoted anything as such, you'd think they would for its a nice outcome if so, business owners and their private premise's and employees have never mentioned this.
I'm guessing its 30% more when the CCP want their land for development - you need to be more specific if possible.
Regards my mention of a "lease" - I'm not talking about residential but our commercial business and bills as you mention, ie farming/incl mining etc to Chinese companies, well bugga that IF they don't like it, they will make hay while's the sun is shining IF they comply during the lease and rolling it on as long as they comply with what was signed off on.
As you quote, it may lose US some business, I'm all for it and I'm sure I'm not alone.
IF you support selling our "souls" to OS investors who in turn abuse the privilidge that weakens US or more so over a barrell and inturn have different rules US doing the same/similar in their turf I'm sorry

G6ET, did you hear (once again) on last nights news of China muscle tactics towards Countries that don't toe the line with them.
I can't find the press on this at this stage.
Nothing like fast advancement - the Asian century troops are marching along whilst the rest of the world is covid stalled.