Pursuit of happiness no longer

[Kamshaaft]

Errrr, you're right. It is IRS. (transverse) Leafe srung, yes, but live rear no. I knew I my mind was ********e dtoday.

[04redxr8]

Originally Posted by Kamshaaft

Yep, here's our common sense. If I recall correctly, coil overs all round and large rims are the main reason why the Holden utes can't carry much more than 2 wheelbarrows worth of soil or a motorbike, or half a Saturday night's worth of beer.

Its actually a whole uteload more reasons than that. Firstly, the last few (VU onwards) was actually a station wagon with the back cut off. I owned a Holden wagon, they sucked real bad for handling. The ute was even worse.

If people want an IRS rear in a ute. Buy a Holden. You have missed the point of a ute altogether. If Ford were to put IRS into their utes, I'd never buy a new one again. The idea is idiotic and foolish. Don't believe me, take a crapadore ute for a drive.

If the choice is Irs or Pursuit ute, I vote good bye pursuit. And I will buy a new ute. Just not with IRS.

[Bossxr8]

If the GT sells in droves with the new engine, will they quickly change their minds and rush one into production?

[Smoke Pursuit]

Why stop producing it?? Obviously they dont wanna put the R&D into the ute driveline?? nothing else needs to change??

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

If the GT sells in droves with the new engine, will they quickly change their minds and rush one into production?

That would depend on why FPV believed the ute didnt sell well in the first place....
If they believe it had nothing to do with the engine then no, i dont think they would.

[FPV8U]

Pursuit has a business case as does the Super Pursuit, the reason the FG isn't selling is they put about 50% of the effort in they should have, it looks bland compare to IMO the overdone Maloo, it still cops a average ICC despite being a $50,000+ Machine..

FPV needed to step up in the ute segment if they wanted people to Trade up, not sit on their hands with a package that has been considered 2nd best to the competition since 2003..

[JPFS1]

The decision one way or another has been made some time ago. They wouldn't be able to rush one to market based on Sedan sales as the Ute would require its own crash cert. and other types of cert.

If this is true, and I will hopefully find out more soon, it's evidence that a N/A version of Coyote is in use for Ford based product with which a crash program for them is viable based on their higher volume, where as FPV based V8 Ute sales are tiny in comparison and a specific crash program for them wouldn't be viable.

It makes more sense to keep to new V8 engine config the same (or relatively similar) for the Ford/FPV based product to prop up volume which would make the FPV Ute lineup viable.

There must be real benefit for them to go down N/A path for Ford products knowing that this will more or less close the door on the V8 FPV Ute.

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Pursuit has a business case as does the Super Pursuit, the reason the FG isn't selling is they put about 50% of the effort in they should have, it looks bland compare to IMO the overdone Maloo, it still cops a average ICC despite being a $50,000+ Machine..

FPV needed to step up in the ute segment if they wanted people to Trade up, not sit on their hands with a package that has been considered 2nd best to the competition since 2003..

My personal opinion is that it will remain.

I will stick by what I think is happening in terms of engine lineup which will help FPV V8 Ute viability, while the short comings you mention which are valid, should be addressed with the next release.

[FPV8U]

Agreed mate, i'd be disapointed if they didn't give the "FPV Ute" Concept one last try, if it doesn't work with FGII then maybe they would have just cause to delete the program.

[XR Martin]

I wonder if its just the Pursuit name that will be discontinued, and not the actual vehicle.
It is the only FPV with an individual name, and not just a series of letters.

Remember they got rid of Typhoon and Tornado, and they are now F6 and F6 Ute.

Perhaps they will be just called GT Ute and GTP Ute.

[xdc351]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

The difference is in the terms of the live axle and comparing it to race cars is that we do not drive on race tracks, we have bumps, pot holes and undulations to contend with in our corners.

Yes the vette may have a live axle, so does a V8SC and both steer through corners very well, but neither have dinosaur breed leaf springs that belong on a horse drawn wagons and trucks (not performance cars).

Lol, now thats funny. Here's some real world examples of dinosaur breed leaf springs vs your unbelievably awesome IRS with coil springs at the 2010 Bathurst 12 hour:

POS 23 Car 99 Australian V8 Ute Racing B.Dunn/A.Fisher/J.Elsgood Ford FG XR8 Ute Group G 2:37.5107
POS 28 Car 75 Auto Motion A.McGill/M.McGill/M.Williamson Ford FPV BF GT Group B 2:41.6676


And fastest laps from some Fords in the race including the 2 above:

Car 10 K.Douglas/J.Moffat/R.Hislop Boylan Traffic Solutions Ford FPV FG F6 2:36.0153
Car 99 B.Dunn/A.Fisher/J.Elsegood Australian V8 Ute Racing Ford FG XR8 Ute 2:39.6487
Car 94 D.Howe/D.O'Keefe/D.Neville Aporschapart / Kitome Ford BF XR8 2:45.3648
Car 75 A.McGill/M.McGill/M.Williamson Auto Motion Ford FPV BF GT 2:47.1410

:togo:

[Scott]

Originally Posted by xdc351

Lol, now thats funny. :togo:

Did you miss or just ignore the bit where he said "we don't drive on racetracks"?

[56L]

I recently seen an FPV ute in the Klosters showroom if i seen correctly it had MUDFLAPS no wonder they werent selling :

[xdc351]

Originally Posted by GTP006

Did you miss or just ignore the bit where he said "we don't drive on racetracks"?

Oh yeah, Bathurst is a perfectly flat track with no undulations, kerbs, or rough areas... my bad.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by xdc351

Oh yeah, Bathurst is a perfectly flat track with no undulations, kerbs, or rough areas... my bad.

lol, you obviously haven't driven it after driving up Lachlan Valley Way to get there. Bathurst is bitumen heaven compared to a highway.

btw - in all the laps I've done there I can't think of any rough surface ontrack??

[xdc351]

Originally Posted by GTP006

lol, you obviously haven't driven it after driving up Lachlan Valley Way to get there. Bathurst is bitumen heaven compared to a highway.

btw - in all the laps I've done there I can't think of any rough surface ontrack??

The entry to the chase for one (plus it has a fair dip just before it)! And there's not too many roads where you need to mount a slippery kerb at the apex of a corner either.

If you read his post carefully you'll notice the section he was talking about live axles was in relation to racecars... and although the track is in better condition compared to some roads, I'd hardly call it unfair to point out that the IRS equiped V8 sedans were noticeably slower than the utes in both race and qualifying.

[DJM83]

Getting a bit off topic here guys this has NOTHING to do with the canning of the Pursuit/SP

[mcnews]

The FG ute is much more settled on broken pavement than the BF. Particularly on 19s, on the roads I like to fang on running 19s on the BF was borderline dangerous, so much so that I would have been going back to the stock 18s on the next tyre change, but traded into FG F6 ute. Much more settled over pavement and rear definitely behaves better, front feels softer though and a little more wallowy than BF through a succession of undulations through a corner.

As they finally went to the trouble of giving FG FPV series utes a proper full stability control program, something they never did with BF, you wouldn't expect them to be dumped.

And for those that somehow think FPV don't have the best and fastest ute, they do, it's called the F6. I wanted to buy a Super-Pursuit but the 315 was a disappointing let-down on the test drive, so it was Maloo or F6, and despite the fact that I quite like the Maloo in white and with the bi-modal exhaust it sounds great, the F6 just walks all over it for all round performance. So I bought one.