MMS: Holden Coupe 60

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by fmc351

The fact Holden are actually doing at least slightly more than just toying with the idea of a coupe/hatch version of the flagship car is something Ford has lost touch on.

IMO, the BA was the first Ford since XB/C that would have suited a coupe design, maybe an EL would have looked alright. Ford Aus are just nowhere near brave enough, or their hands are tied from offshore.

I thought the AU coupes looked fantastic, even the production sedan has an XC coupe style flwoing rear window, the Hillier XR and 300+ coupe looked the goods!

[woteva]

I think it looks awesome!!! They've actually surprised me with this because I don't usually get too excited about concept cars because they never get produced.

I really didn't think the VE lent itself well to being a coupe but boy was I wrong! And that interior is schmick! Hopefully it goes the way of the Monaro and ends up going into production.

Too bad Ford had no answer to it. Don't think it is Ford Australia's fault though. I get the feeling Detroit has them on a pretty short leash. I'm sure the boys down at Ford could dish up some pretty awesome stuff too if given the opportunity.

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by The_Fantastic_Ford

even the production sedan (AU) has an XC coupe style flwoing rear window

Ha, what???

One is concaved the other convexed, if you mean the approximate angle was the same then I'm sure we could find at least a dozen or more other cars that have the same angle of descent, most of them wouldn't be a Ford either, nor Australian.

[LeadFoot81]

I meant the relationship between the window and sheetmetal/boot opening (my bad), if you have a close look its there, the AU Fairlane's rear window area was also similiar to the XA-C sedan. Anyway back on topic...

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by Mighty Reds

Like a lot of VE's to me it looks like the previous model Astra (coupe this time) although having used a few too many steroids.

It lacks the simple elegance that the last Monaro concept car had, very ricer-ish.

I tend to agree with this. The bottom of the flanks is very fussy with too much going on.

[fmc351]

Maybe Holden should have put raccoon eyes on it.

[Hoops]

I hate to say it but i actually like it, Ford/FPV need to build a coupe

[Cheahman]

Hot as! I want one!

[Bossxr8]

Holden attention seeking at its best. Just another Monaro concept that people like but if it reaches production they sell ok for 12 months and just die off, just like the last one did. The GTO was a failure in the US and it sold less than expected here. Because of that this Concept won't make it to production, it is just an expensive **** to get attention away from the FG, which already got most of the attention it needed 2 weeks ago. Ford planned a pre emptive strike before the show to avoid having to share the spotlight with this sort of stuff.

[fpr_esp]

anyone who says its nice is a traitor to the blue oval and should be bannished from these forums.

muhaha muhahahaha muhahahahaha lol. <-- random comment of the day.

[Geez Louise]

Originally Posted by fpr_esp

anyone who says its nice is a traitor to the blue oval and should be bannished from these forums.

muhaha muhahahaha muhahahahaha lol. <-- random comment of the day.

Geez Louise...guess I am bannished then...I thought it looked good. Loved the seats in it!

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by fpr_esp

anyone who says its nice is a traitor to the blue oval and should be bannished from these forums.

muhaha muhahahaha muhahahahaha lol. <-- random comment of the day.

You may find the membership numbers drop quite significantly if it were to be implemented, quite significantly indeed.

[kpcart]

pillarless looks great! i like this car. well done to holden, ford seriously needs to lift its game now, or they will end up like mitsubishi. falcon sales are dangerously low, if the fg doesnt succeed within a year, we could see ford shutting down falcon production. i read 3 newspapers today about the motor show, all had a photo of the holden coupe, and talked about the fastest ever australian production car (7l hsv), and all i read about ford was one sentence about a diesel monder wagon :P Ford has lost out so badly in the PR battle the last couple days alone, and motor shows like this are so important in peoples mindset about whether to buy a holden or ford. i drive a ford, but i want a holden now, they are creating exciting products you want to tell your friends about, while ford are at a standstill, still using the boring 5.4 thats totally lifeless in normal driving under 3000rpm.

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by kpcart

pillarless looks great! i like this car. well done to holden, ford seriously needs to lift its game now, or they will end up like mitsubishi. falcon sales are dangerously low, if the fg doesnt succeed within a year, we could see ford shutting down falcon production. i read 3 newspapers today about the motor show, all had a photo of the holden coupe, and talked about the fastest ever australian production car (7l hsv), and all i read about ford was one sentence about a diesel monder wagon :P Ford has lost out so badly in the PR battle the last couple days alone, and motor shows like this are so important in peoples mindset about whether to buy a holden or ford. i drive a ford, but i want a holden now, they are creating exciting products you want to tell your friends about, while ford are at a standstill, still using the boring 5.4 thats totally lifeless in normal driving under 3000rpm.

Exactly. And in a couple of weeks time, you'll find all the hoohaa of this coupe
would have disappeared indefinitely.

Then in a month or two, you'll see a barrage of ads for the FG on TV which
will last indefinitely. And, when you head off to your local newsagent to read up on
the latest comparo's between VE and FG, you'll come back to report to us
how biased wheels and motor magazine are, and that Ford bribed them.

I hope you do find the Holden you're after (thats who they're made for) as a
Ford really doesn't suit your style.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Exactly. And in a couple of weeks time, you'll find all the hoohaa of this coupe
would have disappeared indefinitely.

Then in a month or two, you'll see a barrage of ads for the FG on TV which
will last indefinitely. And, when you head off to your local newsagent to read up on
the latest comparo's between VE and FG, you'll come back to report to us
how biased wheels and motor magazine are, and that Ford bribed them.

I hope you do find the Holden you're after (thats who they're made for) as a
Ford really doesn't suit your style.

Thats a bit rough, he's right Ford do fail in the PR battle. First impressions last, most car buyers couldnt be bothered posting on a forum about the car they drive. They get in, turn the key and drive it, maybe get some aftermarket rims and thats about it. These are the people who make up the bulk of non-fleet car buyers, Ford cant afford to ignore the method by which they choose a car. Even when it comes to fleets, if the employees get a voice at all, then the same applies there too. They wont care about the coupe itself, just the hype which they remember. Most wont fork out the 120k for the Aussie fastest production car ever, but the base model thats close to it in appearance will do.

Jesus, look how many idiots talk about V8 Supercars as if the cars are actually produced by Ford or Holden. Association is enough.

[BadMac]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Exactly. And in a couple of weeks time, you'll find all the hoohaa of this coupe
would have disappeared indefinitely.

Then in a month or two, you'll see a barrage of ads for the FG on TV which
will last indefinitely. And, when you head off to your local newsagent to read up on
the latest comparo's between VE and FG, you'll come back to report to us
how biased wheels and motor magazine are, and that Ford bribed them.

I hope you do find the Holden you're after (thats who they're made for) as a
Ford really doesn't suit your style.

You really do need to wake up and smell the coffee, try getting out more, other than a few hundred die hard fans around here most of the press is saying "boring, looks like the old one, etc" thats where the real damage is being done. 99% of people don't buy it because it beats all comers round a track or down a strip (they buy FPV's and in dwindling numbers), Most buy it as an emotional purchase and so far Holden is winning the emotional battle (as well as the aspirational, inspirational and technical ones). Which car do you think kids will have on their bedroom wall on monday the FPV GT-P or the Coupe 60, oh thats right Ford couldn't even manage brochures at the MMS stand, guess Holden wins that mind space as well.

[elgt146]

Harry Firth must be working for Holden again, Ford have been out foxed.

Seriously, Holden have done wonders on the car and once again they have done wonders on the publicity side of their products.

Judging from everyone's responses not only now but in past threads the majority belive Ford have a marketing, identity problem with the general public.

Yes I feel peeved off. Now i have to try justify to my family, friends that Ford have a good product.

I think this is what Ford fans are getting sick of. Trying to justofy the product for Ford when they should be doing it themselves.

Ford don't need to go drop in big engines they can easily appeal by releasing some more special models with more than just stripe and suspension mods.

They need to create excitement in the house.

This problem wont be fixed overnight. The next 10-20 years you are going to see all these young kids grow up and only see red. Basic marketing such as handing out brochures, posters, etc. all create this fan base.

Holden have it right, Ford don't and will feel the ripple affect for a long time.

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by elgt146

Ford don't need to go drop in big engines they can easily appeal by releasing some more special models with more than just stripe and suspension mods.

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A stripe package is about as far as there collective fat, lazy behinds can move it seems, I mean the only reason the GT 40th and the Cobra sold out so quick is because of the inflated XY GT and XC coupe. The proof was in the R Spec F6 that they still have laying around waiting for a good home to go to, had the F6 been based on an X series early model it would have pre sold just the same as the other two.

This to me shows just how out of touch they really are with what people want and why they buy what they buy, they think if they replicate something that worked before it should work again.

[KBBossedXR]

Originally Posted by fmc351

. Most wont fork out the 120k for the Aussie fastest production car ever, but the base model thats close to it in appearance will do.

Jesus, look how many idiots talk about V8 Supercars as if the cars are actually produced by Ford or Holden. Association is enough.

If HSV put both the Coupe 60 and the W427 into a limited production run they wont have any problem selling them in my opinion. Just look at the prices some of the Cobras & 40th annerversary edition GT's have sold for since they were released, There are plenty of motoring enthusiast in this Country with plenty of money just waiting for the right car to be released.
How quick do you think a GTHO would sell out if it was released and it actually warrented the badge and had this sort of price tag.
Apart from that Gangster style Hot rod, i think it was a Mercury that Ford unveiled at the Motor show going back a few years, i cant remember Ford/FPV/Tickford doing anything like Holden/HSV when it comes to letting there imigination go, and letting us people that drive there performance cars see just what there capable of building.

Maybe there are some members on here that dont have all there information right and association is enough, there are also plenty of people on here that know alot of info and would prefer Ford/FPV to be doing what Holden/HSV are doing.

If you look at it another way, if there are people on here a dedicated Ford Forum that are not happy with what Ford/FPV are doing imagine how many supporters outside the Forum are feeling the same way

[dv8-01]

MT claims Holden Coupe 60 is really 3-year-old Pontiac GTO replacement

Spot any similarities? Holden surprised and delighted when it rolled out the Coupe 60 at the Melbourne Auto Show this past week. Motor Trend put two and two together and dug up some three-year-old photos that show off essentially the same car wearing a Pontiac suit, instead. The nose on the original concept shows what GM was planning for the next-gen GTO at the time. We're glad the prototype styling was deemed too expensive for production; the world wasn't ready for a modern interpretation of the 1982 J2000.

The Coupe 60 started life as Pontiac's replacement for the sales-proof GTO, but Motor Trend reports that development stopped when GM went full bore at getting its next-gen full-size GMT900 trucks to market early. The reappropriation of this past work to create the stunning new Holden show car could signal a return of the Monaro, which could trickle down to North America as another page in the G8 brochure, or a new GTO, but don't start holding your breath yet.

[KBBossedXR]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

A stripe package is about as far as there collective fat, lazy behinds can move it seems, I mean the only reason the GT 40th and the Cobra sold out so quick is because of the inflated XY GT and XC coupe. The proof was in the R Spec F6 that they still have laying around waiting for a good home to go to, had the F6 been based on an X series early model it would have pre sold just the same as the other two.

This to me shows just how out of touch they really are with what people want and why they buy what they buy, they think if they replicate something that worked before it should work again.

Well said, i couldnt agree with you more. They are actually giving quite good discount on the F6 R Spec compared to puting an extra $25,000 + on the Cobra Utes.

Ford/FPV had to have known that Holden/HSV were going to have something up there sleeve for the Motor Show so why didnt they have something extra to put along side the FG range in there display to get the crowd over to the display.
Maybe they will wait for next year when HSV will have the 09 Corvette's engine, Turbocharged V8 436kw then we really will be out of the game.

[KBBossedXR]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

. Because of that this Concept won't make it to production, it is just an expensive **** to get attention away from the FG, which already got most of the attention it needed 2 weeks ago. Ford planned a pre emptive strike before the show to avoid having to share the spotlight with this sort of stuff.

You seem confident it wont go into production.

If you didnt watch the news the night Ford/FPV did the Media release or read the paper the next day you wouldnt have seen the FG yet, i had to show all my mates photos i took from here with my mobile phone and also the paper.

A pre-emptive strike by Ford/FPV to not share the spotlight that sounds like something Dumb & Dumber would come up with.

[Daymoe]

I like the look of it, but the steering wheel looks like those really cheap and crappy PC ones. Though, compared to what Ford are doing, I'll now refer to "Ford" as "Sega".

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by BadMac

You really do need to wake up and smell the coffee, try getting out more, other than a few hundred die hard fans around here most of the press is saying "boring, looks like the old one, etc"

You're wrong Mac (again).
Most reviews I've read from the press are very positive, and most who've
seen it in the flesh are liking it very much... but I can understand why you'd
say otherwise, its the typical way you make yourself feel better with (just like
kpkart)... you're clutching at straws.

Originally Posted by BadMac

thats where the real damage is being done. 99% of people don't buy it because it beats all comers round a track or down a strip (they buy FPV's and in dwindling numbers), Most buy it as an emotional purchase and so far Holden is winning the emotional battle (as well as the aspirational, inspirational and technical ones). Which car do you think kids will have on their bedroom wall on monday the FPV GT-P or the Coupe 60, oh thats right
Ford couldn't even manage brochures at the MMS stand, guess Holden wins that mind space as well.

And if the BF isn't selling well at the moment its because its an aging model...
even though it did sell well enough but it seems you've overlooked that too.
It comes down to personal taste with people and alot do appreciate and like
the FPV product, judging from your post, you're not one of them.... both
eyes eh? Try opening them!

Originally Posted by KBBossedXR

You seem confident it wont go into production.

If you didnt watch the news the night Ford/FPV did the Media release or read the paper the next day you wouldnt have seen the FG yet, i had to show all my mates photos i took from here with my mobile phone and also the paper.

A pre-emptive strike by Ford/FPV to not share the spotlight that sounds like something Dumb & Dumber would come up with.

If you didnt watch the news the night the MMS opened or read the paper the next day you wouldnt have seen the Coupe 60 yet. And he's right, it won't make production.

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

If you didnt watch the news the night the MMS opened or read the paper the next day you wouldnt have seen the Coupe 60 yet. And he's right, it won't make production.

If it does make production, it won't be made here. The Exchange rate is killing the exporters (Toyota and Holden), with both of them having to justify exporting cars that are loosing them money. This will be made in the USA, and imported as a Monaro (which it can't be), as this will be far cheaper for both GMC and Holden.

As for Ford, they don't as of yet have the resources to get their biggest crate engine and throw it into a Falcon, as we have their biggest capacity V8 (and among the most powerful N/A) already in both the XR8 and GT. When Hurricane/Boss comes onto line next year, we'll have access to both N/A and TwinForce V8 Engines, which will show GM who is Boss (pun intended). Come FGII, Ford will have both V6 and V8 engines which should be at the top of their game.

[HSE2]

History has shown us that the coupe has a very limited shelf life and it doesn't seem to matter which generation they try to resurrect them in.

The Coupe 60 as a celebration of Holden’s 60th is excellent. As a preproduction model it will need to be underpinned by global sales which they seem to be able to attract reasonably easy.

While it is a stunning looking car and possibly a direction Holden will take with VF the fact remains that Ford stand is more relevant to the here and now and the more obtainable.

The over whelming reaction to people that come up to me is the Falcon range looks too similar to the one it is replacing on paper.

The VE also looked like the VZ just that the size difference was so noticeable that it made up for the lazy styling effort in people’s brains. FG is really no different with the exception that the proportions are visibly closer to what we have had when it comes to photos. If there is no XT on the Ford stand well they have completely given up in my book. That inexcusable and to me shows apprehension from within. That’s a sign Ford aren't confident themselves.

As far as the 60 goes, well it will grab headlines for short while then give way to the rest of the release from Ford, a release that will be about cars in the here and now. How that product is received in the media and the public eye is still to be revealed in the fullness of time. Early signs are positive for Ford.

The only significant Holden news from MMS seems to have been missed and it was a glorious as airbags.

Fitting? Well that’s not for me to say is it!

[BadMac]

I think something else interesting from MMS was the NON announcement of the LS3 from HSV. The speculation had it that FPV were waiting for HSV to announce before revealing their specs (I would doubt they can change anything this late in the piece anyway). HSV pulled the announcment, some commentators are saying they didn't need anything more at MMS to grab the press coverage so will wait for FPV's announcment and take some wind from that as well with the LS3.

[Fordoldie]

Originally Posted by BadMac

I think something else interesting from MMS was the NON announcement of the LS3 from HSV. The speculation had it that FPV were waiting for HSV to announce before revealing their specs (I would doubt they can change anything this late in the piece anyway). HSV pulled the announcment, some commentators are saying they didn't need anything more at MMS to grab the press coverage so will wait for FPV's announcment and take some wind from that as well with the LS3.

There is talk from somebody (who claims to know) on LS1 that the L98 will go to 290kw and the LS3 will be 320KW all happening around the same time that FG hits the showrooms

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by BadMac

I think something else interesting from MMS was the NON announcement of the LS3 from HSV. The speculation had it that FPV were waiting for HSV to announce before revealing their specs (I would doubt they can change anything this late in the piece anyway). HSV pulled the announcment, some commentators are saying they didn't need anything more at MMS to grab the press coverage so will wait for FPV's announcment and take some wind from that as well with the LS3.

Or how about there was never any plan to release the LS3 news at MMS because they are just slightly embarrassed about releasing the Maloo and then changing the engine in less than 6 months. Perhaps they are really just trying to get some distance into the situation all along.

HSV never pulled anything. Such talk is from embarrassed, supposedly well placed sources trying to save face.

This assumption has just as much merit as anything else doing the rounds.

[xe351]

mmeehh, its looks ok, its much like the old monaro - sleek, but not ballsy looking, lots of people will like it, but it kinda looks like a pumped up astra coupe to me. Those tail lights look baaad and the wheels look like they stole them off a territory

and for those who complain Ford never do anything, well its almost true but not quiet, anyone remember that au 2door??? red, blown?