Calais Gets Blown Away - Page 5

Joe5619 · 15-10-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

I understand the situation is the lesser of two evils but at the end of the day if customers are walking away because of a lack of supply then its simply not good enough and makes the business look rather unprofessional.

I disagree 100%!! NO point in building cars you can't sell (AKA Holden 12 months ago) as this kills margin & profit & that is what every business is about.. 2nd point, being unable to supply does not make a company like "unprofessional", it creates a stronger band (i.e. something that is hard to get, is considered more valuable). I know the company I work for will at times “stock out” on purpose rather than flood the market with the wrong product just to prevent “stock out”.. And every time it is done, that particular brand has a stronger growth long term.

mcnews · 15-10-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Good point... why even compare it to a GTS..?
The G6ET is a magnificent luxury sedan, its NOT a performance sedan, even if its quick in a straight line that's only 10% of what make a performance sedan creditable....

That was my point. It is silly to compare it to a GTS.

**Polyal** · 15-10-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I disagree 100%!! NO point in building cars you can't sell (AKA Holden 12 months ago) as this kills margin & profit & that is what every business is about.. 2nd point, being unable to supply does not make a company like "unprofessional", it creates a stronger band (i.e. something that is hard to get, is considered more valuable). I know the company I work for will at times “stock out” on purpose rather than flood the market with the wrong product just to prevent “stock out”.. And every time it is done, that particular brand has a stronger growth long term.

Ah we are talking about Fords here not Ferrari's........and who said anything about flooding.

Holdens example is at the other extreme. If I walk into a dealership and have $60k ready to go and I cant get a car within a couple of weeks (max) id be ****ed.

But like I said, a die hard fan will wait a long time, people who want a car quickly and dont have any particular loyalty wont. There the sales you want to snatch.

XplosiveR6 · 15-10-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FalconXR6

Ah...last year...when things were going gangbusters, no one could keep up and everyone was on supply allocation...those were the days...

Ford importing steel from China may explain why the Falcon is not on our list of company vehicles to choose from.

And guess who supplys china with the raw materials to produce the steal? We do.

Gobes32 · 15-10-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FalconXR6

Ah...last year...when things were going gangbusters, no one could keep up and everyone was on supply allocation...those were the days...

Ford importing steel from China may explain why the Falcon is not on our list of company vehicles to choose from.

Do any local manufacturers use steel coils from Oz? I was led to believe that BHP, etc are not interested in dealing with Oz car manufacturers due to the penny pinching contracts they impose on suppliers? I was also told, and it may be utter lies, that using coils made in oz would add near 5K to the price of a sedan?

Nikked · 15-10-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally

I'd like to see the VE get a facelift.

So, Holden's Billion dollar baby is out dated already?

Paxton · 15-10-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Do any local manufacturers use steel coils from Oz? I was led to believe that BHP, etc are not interested in dealing with Oz car manufacturers due to the penny pinching contracts they impose on suppliers? I was also told, and it may be utter lies, that using coils made in oz would add near 5K to the price of a sedan?

Not all of the steel in the Falcon/Commodore/Camry is imported. BHP still have some steel used in local cars.

burnz · 15-10-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

Not all of the steel in the Falcon/Commodore/Camry is imported. BHP still have some steel used in local cars.

the alloy ingot come from the netherlands (BHP) tend to smelter offshore.

Fairlane · 15-10-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

Not all of the steel in the Falcon/Commodore/Camry is imported. BHP still have some steel used in local cars.

Fat chance BHP doesnt make steel anymore.

Onesteel does make some bar steel products like intrusions, prop shafts, axles and braces, used in Australian cars. And Bluescope Port Kembla definately supplies the panels for Camry/Aurion atleast. They must be supplying the others as well ,because '06 Bluescope supplied 150,000tons of steel to Aussie vehicle manufactures.

ED Classic · 15-10-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

Beat a GTS for what?

Certainly you couldn't be including anything that requires a hard application of the brake pedal more than twice and getting out of corners the other side without an LSD....

Nor is it designed to. It is a Ford in the Fairmont Ghia vein, not in the sporting vein. Despite great acceleration.

Straight line I think (infact I know) is what I said

Who mentioned brakes or corners or LSD's other than you?

**Fordman1** · 15-10-2009, 09:52 PM

There is no Chinese steel in an Ford Oz Stamped Components.....I love to read the posts in some threads that make 'fiction' fact.

There is quite a bit of Japanese steel, and yes there is some 'Oz steel' from Bluescope (Old BHP). However Aussie steel is "no-where" near the cost of the imported material. Quite a bit of the imported steel also has high tech properties that can't be produced in Australia ATM.

Rodp · 16-10-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I disagree 100%!! NO point in building cars you can't sell (AKA Holden 12 months ago) as this kills margin & profit & that is what every business is about.. 2nd point, being unable to supply does not make a company like "unprofessional", it creates a stronger band (i.e. something that is hard to get, is considered more valuable). I know the company I work for will at times “stock out” on purpose rather than flood the market with the wrong product just to prevent “stock out”.. And every time it is done, that particular brand has a stronger growth long term.

I don't know what it is that you market and sell but if I'm told a vehicle I want is unavailable for an extended period of time I go buy #2 on the list. I certainly wouldn't look at a Ford Ute as more desirable because the earliest I could get my bum in one is next February.

I bought a VW that was on the ship being transported to Australia and even that was a 2 month wait... if I was unable to find what I wanted in stock or en-route then I would have been knocking on #3 on my list's door.

Swordsman88 · 16-10-2009, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

I don't know what it is that you market and sell but if I'm told a vehicle I want is unavailable for an extended period of time I go buy #2 on the list. I certainly wouldn't look at a Ford Ute as more desirable because the earliest I could get my bum in one is next February.

I bought a VW that was on the ship being transported to Australia and even that was a 2 month wait... if I was unable to find what I wanted in stock or en-route then I would have been knocking on #3 on my list's door.

Yes...but it works both ways. If you don't want to wait X lenght of time, you buy something else (though in the current market you may still have to wait a bit). So Ford loses a sale - which is not ideal. BUT, you are forced to buy car no. 2, or 3 etc. Chances are those cars were further down your list for a reason (price, features, suitability etc.). Its not just Ford that suffers unfortuantely.

If a buyer truly wants 'this car', be it Ford or otherwise, they will usually find a means to wait (provided its not economically/practically impossible). Also, if they are serious about buying a new vehicle, then a bit of 'research' earlier on in the piece might have solved the problem (deposit down early...pay the rest when the car rocks up). While i realise sometimes people need a car sooner rather than later, and we are a 'i want it now' materialistic society to boot, sometimes a bit of forward thinking is required. Honeslty if you are going to be keeping a car for years what is a few months to get the right one? Particularly if it is your private vehicle. I don't have much confidence in Ford supply mob because they have done this numerous times before, but in the current climate you'd rather a company took this cautious approach then get caught with their proverbial pants down.

The number of people on here who have waited for new Fords lately (esp. Fiesta owners...poor buggers) that have winged and moaned in frustration, only to turn around and say 'thank god i stuck it out...this car is so great!' should serve as a reminder. If I had to pick between a Toyota Yaris tomorrow or a Ford Fiesta in 6 months....well i'd be working bloody hard to find those 6 months mate!!!

Joe5619 · 16-10-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

I don't know what it is that you market and sell but if I'm told a vehicle I want is unavailable for an extended period of time I go buy #2 on the list. I certainly wouldn't look at a Ford Ute as more desirable because the earliest I could get my bum in one is next February.

I bought a VW that was on the ship being transported to Australia and even that was a 2 month wait... if I was unable to find what I wanted in stock or en-route then I would have been knocking on #3 on my list's door.

I guess everyone is different, but I don't buy new cars much (maybe evey 7-8 years, if I'm lucky) & i'd wait 6 months for the car I wanted regardless of what make it was.. Driving around in choice #3 for 7-8 years doesn't sound like fun to me..

FalconXR6 · 16-10-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

And guess who supplys china with the raw materials to produce the steal? We do.

The % of Aust raw supply vs total output is negligable and certainly nowhere near enough to justify purchasing imported steel over Australian made product.

Watto_Cobra · 16-10-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I guess everyone is different, but I don't buy new cars much (maybe evey 7-8 years, if I'm lucky) & i'd wait 6 months for the car I wanted regardless of what make it was.. Driving around in choice #3 for 7-8 years doesn't sound like fun to me..

Same here. I'm glad I waited because I keep a car for years.

Elks · 19-10-2009, 09:28 AM

Ford Marketing,

Full Page add in todays age, shouting this win, noting the Commodore used 19% more fuel than claimed and 10% more than the Falcon. Also web address of the drive article, and a link to it on the Ford website.

Well done FoMoCo. Keep it up, repetition it the key.

Paxton · 19-10-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Elks

Ford Marketing,

Full Page add in todays age, shouting this win, noting the Commodore used 19% more fuel than claimed and 10% more than the Falcon. Also web address of the drive article, and a link to it on the Ford website.

Well done FoMoCo. Keep it up, repetition it the key.

Also in the Sydney Morning Herald.

Swordsman88 · 19-10-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Elks

Ford Marketing,

Full Page add in todays age, shouting this win, noting the Commodore used 19% more fuel than claimed and 10% more than the Falcon. Also web address of the drive article, and a link to it on the Ford website.

Well done FoMoCo. Keep it up, repetition it the key.

Well i'll be damned. I didn't think they had the cahones...burela is not in the mood to play silly buggers. Anyone know where i can see a copy of the ad...not sure if they have one in the qld papers.

Like i've said on here before, i'm not a big fan of dirty attack-ad marketing but if holden wan'ts to 'go negative' as the politicos say...well we can at least respond in kind. I wonder if a 'ford of course' ad is being rushed out based on this and other recent reviews. I've seen some new versions of the Ford of course ads recently....

XR8putts · 19-10-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Elks

Ford Marketing,

Full Page add in todays age, shouting this win, noting the Commodore used 19% more fuel than claimed and 10% more than the Falcon. Also web address of the drive article, and a link to it on the Ford website.

Well done FoMoCo. Keep it up, repetition it the key.

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Bravo Ford, keep it up!

**Polyal** · 19-10-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Swordsman88

Well i'll be damned. I didn't think they had the cahones...burela is not in the mood to play silly buggers. Anyone know where i can see a copy of the ad...not sure if they have one in the qld papers.

Like i've said on here before, i'm not a big fan of dirty attack-ad marketing but if holden wan'ts to 'go negative' as the politicos say...well we can at least respond in kind. I wonder if a 'ford of course' ad is being rushed out based on this and other recent reviews. I've seen some new versions of the Ford of course ads recently....

I agree but you have to try something, Ford have always had the better product but hasn't had sales success since the end of the EL (before the VT came in).

I dont think there is to much malicious in stating some facts.

Something I have noticed in business is that the vast majority of the time the nice guy finishes last. Unfortunately. So you need some mongrel now and then if you want to balance it.

samsy351 · 19-10-2009, 10:55 AM

See thats the exact type of marketing I was talking about!! , but some people on here said Ford shouldnt play that game

: . If Ford want to compete they have to go in hard like I said. As long as they stay truthful and state facts (unlike Holden) they have nothing to worry about when it comes to comparison advertising.
Well done Ford

p.s. now gimme a job Ford Marketing !!

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Holden....Dont Believe The Hype

Jason[98.EL] · 19-10-2009, 11:14 AM

can someone scan the add for us

i don't want to go out and buy the paper just to see the add

irlewy86 · 19-10-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by samsy351

See thats the exact type of marketing I was talking about!! , but some people on here said Ford shouldnt play that game

They shouldn't play that game. Mercedes got hosed for mis-representing fuel ecconomy on the E series and I wouldn't be suprised if Ford gets hosed as well.

greens_tuf · 19-10-2009, 11:24 AM

I saw it today in the Daily Telegraph Sydney... Awesome add, the truth hurts... I don't think Holden can really back any of their figures... lol like their 0-100 times that no one can reproduce... the Ford 0-100 times are faster than factory figures (depending on conditions).

**Polyal** · 19-10-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

They shouldn't play that game. Mercedes got hosed for mis-representing fuel ecconomy on the E series and I wouldn't be suprised if Ford gets hosed as well.

I haven't seen the add but it depends how it was worded. But this one is independent of Ford and Holden, and as long as Ford is not stating it as official figures but a real world test then there is nothing to worry about.

Paxton · 19-10-2009, 11:45 AM

I'll fire up the old scanner for youse all...

Edit: sorry about the scan, but the Herald is a Broadsheet, and my Scanner is an A4 HP.

Swordsman88 · 19-10-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

They shouldn't play that game. Mercedes got hosed for mis-representing fuel ecconomy on the E series and I wouldn't be suprised if Ford gets hosed as well.

Yes it can backfire. But mercedes problem was it was 'misleading' in so far as they claimed the range burnt X amount (per ADR test) when only a very small number of cars, with a particular drivetrain set up atcually burnt that number. Although they had a disclaimer it was judged to still be misleading because by far the bulk (some 95%) of E class models didn't burn anywhere near the value qouted. I doubt Ford is in as much trouble as long as they stick to making it clear it was the drive test...not ADR testing and not ford 'internal testing'.

In the states they are allowed to advertise stats based on their own tests as long as they put disclaimers. In australia it is not so easy...but an indepent group is perfectly fine....

gcg2503 · 19-10-2009, 11:50 AM

Cant attach to photobucket as I dont know how to convert from pdf to jpeg.....

tried uploading the pdf file through this post but didnt work :(

SB076 · 19-10-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

That was my point. It is silly to compare it to a GTS.

Comparisons were done with straightline acceleration (refer previous posts in the thread) No one made any reference to a G6ET out performing a GTS or a G6ET being a performance vehicle. Comments were, however made about the impressive acceleration of the G6ET.