Police bash hoon drivers

[DVLXR8]

To be in a profession like the Police is hard enough, those goons got what they deserved.

[efi65]

where i grew up if you played up you got a smack behind the ear from the local sarge then dragged home and copped another,i dont agree with what the police done but we were not there and could not hear and see everthing that went on. And to alot of those people that said good on then and bla bla bla, would you be acting the same if it was your child that copped the flogging that they did???

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by efi65

And to alot of those people that said good on then and bla bla bla, would you be acting the same if it was your child that copped the flogging that they did???

As I said earlier, yes. All those that I knew that copped a flogging probably deserved more. If a child of mine copped one, the burning question in my mind would be, what did you do to deserve it?

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by mcnews

The cameras are there to protect the coppers and provide evidence and as such probably can't be switched off. Goes to prove just how completely stupid the officers in question were.

See Trev I take that the other way... Police are not dumb, they know their job like you know yours..... If they had premeditated the assault or had evil designs (and this is how the court will - and we should - see it) the camera WOULD have been switched off and a story constructed recounting what happened, the officers would have colluded and internal affairs unable to establish the officers offense no matter what the "houso's" claimed...

No, the camera left on shows situational escalation brought about by $h!theads taking it too far... As to the severity of the police retaliation? Let's first establish the minutes leading up to the camera footage.

If we are going purely by speculation of the two parties in question, I will throw my support behind the law that protects us, not the scum that begets community woe.

Daniel

[MAD]

Originally Posted by CAT600

See Trev I take that the other way... Police are not dumb, they know their job like you know yours..... If they had premeditated the assault or had evil designs (and this is how the court will - and we should - see it) the camera WOULD have been switched off and a story constructed recounting what happened, the officers would have colluded and internal affairs unable to establish the officers offense no matter what the "houso's" claimed...

No, the camera left on shows situational escalation brought about by $h!theads taking it too far... As to the severity of the police retaliation? Let's first establish the minutes leading up to the camera footage.

If we are going purely by speculation of the two parties in question, I will throw my support behind the law that protects us, not the scum that begets community woe.

Daniel

Well said. Agree 100%

[billy302]

The cops were so F........g angry they just lost it.
guys if you see some of the idiots in this neck of the woods you'd get angry too.
Silly not to think of the consequences though.
I've only ever struck one sh....t head of a cop, most are Courteous and polite. I've had some good conversations with them when stopped for speeding.
I've found over the years that they respond to you if you are nice and polite to them. How often have I been court? lots

[billy302]

Originally Posted by CAT600

See Trev I take that the other way... Police are not dumb, they know their job like you know yours..... If they had premeditated the assault or had evil designs (and this is how the court will - and we should - see it) the camera WOULD have been switched off and a story constructed recounting what happened, the officers would have colluded and internal affairs unable to establish the officers offense no matter what the "houso's" claimed...

No, the camera left on shows situational escalation brought about by $h!theads taking it too far... As to the severity of the police retaliation? Let's first establish the minutes leading up to the camera footage.

If we are going purely by speculation of the two parties in question, I will throw my support behind the law that protects us, not the scum that begets community woe.

Daniel

Well said.

[jcxr]

[QUOTE=CAT600]See Trev I take that the other way... Police are not dumb, they know their job like you know yours..... If they had premeditated the assault or had evil designs (and this is how the court will - and we should - see it) the camera WOULD have been switched off and a story constructed recounting what happened, the officers would have colluded and internal affairs unable to establish the officers offense no matter what the "houso's" claimed...

No, the camera left on shows situational escalation brought about by $h!theads taking it too far... As to the severity of the police retaliation? Let's first establish the minutes leading up to the camera footage.

If we are going purely by speculation of the two parties in question, I will throw my support behind the law that protects us, not the scum that begets community woe.
A cop starting out gets $52K a year, works terrible shifts, no public holidays, and is the person running to a scene that most of you blokes would be running from. So, yes a tad overboard in their handling of the situation.

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by jcxr

A cop starting out gets $52K a year, works terrible shifts, no public holidays, and is the person running to a scene that most of you blokes would be running from. So, yes a tad overboard in their handling of the situation.

See its a job they chose to do, its not army inscription with no choice, if you don't like the job and it messes with you that much don't do it, they still have a choice, and they chose to beat down these two idiots.

I hate my job, I despise going to work everyday but guess what I choose to stay with some outside influences keeping me there, but at the end of the day I stay, that won't excuse me from beating down some of my reports because they're ****heads.

[jcxr]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

See its a job they chose to do, its not army inscription with no choice, if you don't like the job and it messes with you that much don't do it, they still have a choice, and they chose to beat down these two idiots.

I hate my job, I despise going to work everyday but guess what I choose to stay with some outside influences keeping me there, but at the end of the day I stay, that won't excuse me from beating down some of my reports because they're ****heads.

Firstly, army personel are conscripted, not inscripted.
Secondly, I pity your choice of job, have you ever thought of getting out of that rut? To go to work, hating your job, must suck, and reflect on your life and attitudes.
Yes, the police do chose their occupation, and swear to an oath, to help and protect the community from these meatballs. I bet the new coppers in Mansfield also wont cop crap from them.

[Tread_]

Originally Posted by CAT600

See Trev I take that the other way... Police are not dumb, they know their job like you know yours..... If they had premeditated the assault or had evil designs (and this is how the court will - and we should - see it) the camera WOULD have been switched off and a story constructed recounting what happened, the officers would have colluded and internal affairs unable to establish the officers offense no matter what the "houso's" claimed...

No, the camera left on shows situational escalation brought about by $h!theads taking it too far... As to the severity of the police retaliation? Let's first establish the minutes leading up to the camera footage.

If we are going purely by speculation of the two parties in question, I will throw my support behind the law that protects us, not the scum that begets community woe.

Daniel

Taking it too far? While restrained and on the ground?

How could they possibly have posed a physical threat to the police in that state? That'd be about the only time I could see the need to respond with physical force.

I'm all for dishing out a "clip behind the ear" when it's due, but the footage shows them clearly taking it beyond that.

As others in this thread have said, the police aren't there to dish out punishment, that's what the legal system is for. They're there to enforce the law, and bring hoons/idiots like these 2 to justice and let the legal system sort them out.

The laws are in place to stop them doing what they've done (hooning), they should use them, not their fists.

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by CAT600

See Trev I take that the other way... Police are not dumb, they know their job like you know yours..... If they had premeditated the assault or had evil designs (and this is how the court will - and we should - see it) the camera WOULD have been switched off and a story constructed recounting what happened, the officers would have colluded and internal affairs unable to establish the officers offense no matter what the "houso's" claimed...

No, the camera left on shows situational escalation brought about by $h!theads taking it too far... As to the severity of the police retaliation? Let's first establish the minutes leading up to the camera footage.

If we are going purely by speculation of the two parties in question, I will throw my support behind the law that protects us, not the scum that begets community woe.

Daniel

Or perhaps they were not provoked at all and the guys on the floor put up no fight?

You comfortable with people that can't control themselves carrying guns?

[Bucknaked]

Shame they didn't fill their hoon car full of lead. Those hoons got what they deserved. *******.

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by jcxr

Firstly, army personel are conscripted, not inscripted.
Secondly, I pity your choice of job, have you ever thought of getting out of that rut? To go to work, hating your job, must suck, and reflect on your life and attitudes.
Yes, the police do chose their occupation, and swear to an oath, to help and protect the community from these meatballs. I bet the new coppers in Mansfield also wont cop crap from them.

Thanks for the English lesson it's appreciated.

Yes many times have thought about getting out, but the love for my family has kept me there to support them and my own hobbies. I have a means of letting my aggression out every Friday, I get through my week looking forward to that day, and it also clears my head for the weekend with the time I spend with my Family.

Maybe Australia should adopt the 3 strike policy the US has, where on your 3rd strike time is spent in Jail.

[CAT600]

Reread what I wrote Tread.

33 years and ive never had a single spec of trouble with the law.... Not because ive been "lucky" to have only dealt with good cops, who are always having a good day, always in a good situation..... but because I'm not a $h!thead bogan troublemaker.

And you still dont see a difference?

Why you would defend clearly defined scum is beyond me....

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Or perhaps they were not provoked at all and the guys on the floor put up no fight?

You comfortable with people that can't control themselves carrying guns?

Trev, when you've lived with people in "the job" and they come home exhausted, beaten and sore from dealing with scum who profess to know "where you live", offer to "**** your missus up the bum" and break into defenseless citizens homes to feed a drug addiction, you will climb down from the ivory tower and taste reality.

Lots of good people in this world
Lots of scumbags too.

Pick a side, choose your destiny and accept the consequences.

I repeat:

33 years,
15 as a self-confessed hoon,
50-60 times pulled over (at least),
0 beatings

Daniel

[FordACE]

Originally Posted by CAT600

Reread what I wrote Tread.

33 years and ive never had a single spec of trouble with the law.... Not because ive been "lucky" to have only dealt with good cops, who are always having a good day, always in a good situation..... but because I'm not a $h!thead bogan troublemaker.

And you still dont see a difference?

Why you would defend clearly defined scum is beyond me....

read what i wrote earlier. A cop was aggressive to me and I'm one of the least bogan people in the world. Granted this was a one off but it infuriated the hell out of me that a person in that line of work could be so angry at me even though I had done absolutely nothing wrong and he was just speculating that I was speeding. His words I was "speeding excessively". He wanted me to bite back that's for sure, but I refrained.

There are two sides to every argument.

[mcnews]

I understand your point of view Daniel, and appreciate your insights, but I do not agree. Their lack of self control and bashing of prisoners that have clearly submitted and are not putting up a fight is an embarrasment to themselves and the police as a whole.

Yes there are lots of good people, and lots of scumbags, let's keep the scumbags out of the police.

[jrfttf]

Many factors to look at it hear

People are referring to the old days, stuff up and cop a flogging
The people of that era have come out with respect/discipline ect

However good portion of the generation these days don't have any discipline respect for anyone ect.

If the officers in question are silly enough to hand out a *** whopping on dash cam then so be it, they deserve to be in the **** bin

Spinning the situation around if the two lads handed a *** whipping to the cops on video you wouldn't hear the end of it.

I for one in my past experiences if your not a smart *** and polite majority of the time you will be **** load better off, however you always get the one bad apple that wants to string you up wherever they can.

All in all if the camera wasn't there i doubt any of this would have came up at all!

[MAD]

Originally Posted by jrfttf

People are referring to the old days, stuff up and cop a flogging
The people of that era have come out with respect/discipline ect

However good portion of the generation these days don't have any discipline respect for anyone ect.

Quoted for truth.

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by FordACE

read what i wrote earlier. A cop was aggressive to me and I'm one of the least bogan people in the world. Granted this was a one off but it infuriated the hell out of me that a person in that line of work could be so angry at me even though I had done absolutely nothing wrong and he was just speculating that I was speeding. His words I was "speeding excessively". He wanted me to bite back that's for sure, but I refrained.

There are two sides to every argument.

I don't know you or your situation and won't presume to judge, but subconscious body language and attitudes make a massive difference...

I was out with a mate in his very rare Subey (no not Ramon haha) and we were going pretty hard in it.

Pulled over by two officers in a wagon, I was in the passenger seat and immediately uncoupled the seatbelt to get out and do my customary meet and greet, shake hands and introduce myself to the two officers.... It's more than just respect it's plain smart, they relax with you and generally go easier on your offense (guilty or not)

"Big W" (one of the nicest, most gentle blokes youll meet) stays in the drivers seat, I asked him if he was getting out and he says no... He yells out the window "you's want me to get out?".... No reply from the officers so he piles out with his loose checker shirt and baggy 3/4 shorts.... Immediately i could tell the officers are on Defcon 3..... They start give him the third degree and it's going bad. I get out slowly, introduce myself and shake hands, tell them it's a super-rare S-series Rexy and that I was looking to buy it (a 3/4 truth) and it was my fault as I asked Big-W to show me "what shes got"

Police immediately relax, turn from defensive 45 degree body position, hands off hips and a smile on one of them ( you always get good cop bad cop in hoon/speeding situations )

5 minutes later were cruising along with no infringements or bad blood.

He was on thin ice to start with, had Big-W acted like a houso (as being discussed in this thread) it could have gone the other way.

Respect their job, empathize with the worst case situations that they are ALWAYS prepared for and you will have no issues.

Daniel

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by CAT600

I don't know you or your situation and won't presume to judge, but subconscious body language and attitudes make a massive difference...

I was out with a mate in his very rare Subey (no not Ramon haha) and we were going pretty hard in it.

Pulled over by two officers in a wagon, I was in the passenger seat and immediately uncoupled the seatbelt to get out and do my customary meet and greet, shake hands and introduce myself to the two officers.... It's more than just respect it's plain smart, they relax with you and generally go easier on your offense (guilty or not)

"Big W" (one of the nicest, most gentle blokes youll meet) stays in the drivers seat, I asked him if he was getting out and he says no... He yells out the window "you's want me to get out?".... No reply from the officers so he piles out with his loose checker shirt and baggy 3/4 shorts.... Immediately i could tell the officers are on Defcon 3..... They start give him the third degree and it's going bad. I get out slowly, introduce myself and shake hands, tell them it's a super-rare S-series Rexy and that I was looking to buy it (a 3/4 truth) and it was my fault as I asked Big-W to show me "what shes got"

Police immediately relax, turn from defensive 45 degree body position, hands off hips and a smile on one of them ( you always get good cop bad cop in hoon/speeding situations )

5 minutes later were cruising along with no infringements or bad blood.

He was on thin ice to start with, had Big-W acted like a houso (as being discussed in this thread) it could have gone the other way.

Respect their job, empathize with the worst case situations that they are ALWAYS prepared for and you will have no issues.

Daniel

And yet, on the completely opposite end of the scale, you have situations (especially in country towns), where the cop will know/have heard of the offender, and judge them based on that.
Two clear examples shine in my mind. One is my ex, having been questioned by the cops int he middle of the street in broad daylight, told to go home. I watched, as he went to open his door, realised the OIC was in front of his door, went to say "excuse me, could you please move so I don't hit you with the door", got to "ex" and was on the ground having his head bashed into the concrete, taken to the cop shop and beaten more with phone books.
Two, is me. Being model citizen of the year (apparently), pulled over in my grans car, not breathoed (as I believe they wre meant to do), possibly up to no good at 2 in the morning ona Tuesday (honestly, I wasn't but not the point). And told to go home, drive safe, and have a nice sleep.....

There are dicks of cops, who are dicks for no reason, body language and behaviour an help yes, but not everytime. It happens, and there's no point supporting them in the behaviour, because usually, and especially if the evidence is piled up against them, their peers aren't particualrly keen on writing home about them either.

[ray38l]

i just still cant work out why people are trying to defend the cops involved. The time leading up to the incident means nothing.
everyone has the right to use reasonable force to protect themselves. bashing someone who has there hands on there head on the ground isnt reasonable force. So it doesnt matter if one of the bogans punched the cops in the face beforehand, they went above and beyond what would be self defence. there is no excuse for what they did

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by XRtowcar

Policing is going back to the good old days.

It may as well go back to the good old days as it's a waste of time bringing these bogans up in front of a judge..........

[Fireblade]

You are dead right Daniel, attitude to the cops goes a long way to helping yourself, but even a bad attitude doesn't warrant this. I'm not hating on cops in general and myself have been very courteous to them in the past as I know this helps your own situation, I do respect the job they do and respect how hard the job is, but these 3 cops involved I have no respect for.

[No.6]

Poor cops. I hope they didnt hurt/strain themselves while they beat the crap out of those hoons.

[Tread_]

Originally Posted by CAT600

Reread what I wrote Tread.

33 years and ive never had a single spec of trouble with the law.... Not because ive been "lucky" to have only dealt with good cops, who are always having a good day, always in a good situation..... but because I'm not a $h!thead bogan troublemaker.

And you still dont see a difference?

Why you would defend clearly defined scum is beyond me....

Without trying to sound rude, I think you should reread what I said as well. I said the law is there to deal with them, and whatever punishment they got under the law is everything they deserve.

What they don't deserve is a beating from irresponsible police while they're restrained and on the ground.

If there's a clear issue with the law and it needs to be revised, then so be it. It's not up to the cop to take the law into his own hands and beat the **** out of someone.

[tex]

An interesting discussion, and a topic that polarises opinion.

I personally believe the police officers went over board, at least in response to the apparent situation at hand... Which is a real shame as it brings the entire force of predominantly good people, hard working people into disrepute.

Over zelous behavior it would seem, but I do not know the facts, only those made public and that would be just a small part of the overall picture.

[Polyal]

More to the point though I am sure this case actually has very little to do with hooning, its just a loaded word to get some more hits.

[OLDFORDNUT]

Originally Posted by mcnews

I understand your point of view Daniel, and appreciate your insights, but I do not agree. Their lack of self control and bashing of prisoners that have clearly submitted and are not putting up a fight is an embarrasment to themselves and the police as a whole.

Yes there are lots of good people, and lots of scumbags, let's keep the scumbags out of the police.

best quote so far mate. anyone who defends the cops in this footage two young blokes handcuffed and shitting themselves get flogged with a hail of baton blows fists and feet id indefensable and i hope they get beaton by some gang one day,pieces of vermon in uniform