Police slam 130km/h Hume Hwy stunt By WHEELS Magazine

[SPArKy_Dave]

And what about the Montana Paradox......... lets not forget that this happened in the NT too, when the // was removed -

http://www.motorists.org/press/monta...safety-paradox

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by Fireblade

Coming from SA the difference is way noticeable the other way, the Vic drivers are way more courteous and patient than drivers in SA.

Agree, im from sa and cover most of vic including melbourne 4 times a year-the vics will allow you to merge when you indicate, they will move to the right hand freeway lane when they can see you in the on ramp
BUT
overtaking lanes are frustrating in victoria, you wait for ages for one but the first car to pass does so at a slooooowwwww rate of speed not wanting to get pinged. In sa an overtaking lane means you floor it, get past the slow vehicle quickly so other fast cars can clear the mobile chicane.

[in_xcess]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

...and one of the most deadly road hazards of all, the Asian Camry driver.

Holy crap, did you actually think it and then write it?

There's constructive debate and then idiocy... Next you'll be agreeing with the notion that M4 traffic jams are caused by asylum seekers!

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by trublu

I shudder at the thought of letting bombs being driven at the speed of 130 KPH, and you all know there are bombs out there!

So you put enforcement bays up at random points along the road and pull over bomby looking cars.

[Bundy]

Back in the day I remember over taking a policeman in Rodeo ute, we were in a magna. I did slow down when I passed him at 140 he gave a wave, we waved back. I'm pretty sure we mainly had it pegged at 180 for most of the time.
Amazingly they didn't have the big ad campaign of "every K over is a killer" back then or we would have been dead for sure.

The NT "You'll never never know, if you never never go."
Thankyou Mr Sommers

[b0son]

Originally Posted by SteveJH

So you put enforcement bays up at random points along the road and pull over bomby looking cars.

RTA are only too happy to do this every other day where trucks are concerned... why not with cars?

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by BadMax

Can you please point me toward the facts you are referring to? I'm very keen to read them.

If you can't figure out that a driver travelling at a higher speed is at more risk of injury/death should something go wrong then may be it's time to give the game away .

Originally Posted by BadMax

The speed difference between 110 and 130kph in an accident is close to irrelevant.

Can you please point me toward the facts you are referring to? I'm very keen to read them.

Originally Posted by Fireblade

Or we could walk and eliminate the risk even further.

Or we could just be normal and use common sense instead

[b0son]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

If you can't figure out that a driver travelling at a higher speed is at more risk of injury/death should something go wrong then may be it's time to give the game away

Risk isn't just a question of outcome, its a question of probability too.

An event with a severe outcome may be acceptable if the probability of that event occurring is lower.

You haven't considered the positive impacts of higher travelling speeds - lower fatigue, lower exposure time ... these reduce crash risk.

It isn't simply a question of kinetic energy. If it were, freeways would be our most dangerous roads, not our safest.

[xxx000]

if the limit was raised to 130 we all know that lots of people would then travel at 140-150

there would be more and far worse crashes then imho, imagine onramps and merging at those speeds

[satria]

Originally Posted by xxx000

if the limit was raised to 130 we all know that lots of people would then travel at 140-150

there would be more and far worse crashes then imho, imagine onramps and merging at those speeds

Nobody is saying 130 will be EVERYWHERE. On ramps etc will obviously be a lowered limit, 130 is only being suggested for those long open stretches where fatigue really is a killer. I do alot of highway kays and would really appreciate a higher limit, it really wouldn't be as dangerous as alot of people are making it out to be.

Also, nobody is forcing everyone to do 130. I wouldn't care if someone kept driving at 100-110, if i was allowed to do 130 overtaking would be alot easier and safer without risking my license!

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by xxx000

there would be more and far worse crashes then imho, imagine onramps and merging at those speeds

Any good driver, on a multilane road, seeing cars coming down a ramp on the left and about to merge, will move over a lane to the right to allow them to merge. This is common sense, nothing to do with speeds.

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Or we could just be normal and use common sense instead

Sarcasm only smart people get it.

[MustangStevo63]

be interesting to see how the Qld review goes in regard to limits, they were talking about 130 limits on some roads and decreases on others, 3000 responses to go through as per c+p from website
My 2c having driven Melbourne to Brisbane recently using the hume is 130 not a problem, was sat on 112 c/control most of way with cars passing constantly but no one clogged up the right hand lane which was good (was driving newly purchased au3 xr8 ute and had heard about all the speed cameras and coppers and was not going to get booked for anything!, that said I really wanted to plant it!) Avoided 1 big grey and 1 dope who pottered out from right just on dark swung a little into left lane doing about 40kms per hour as I passed slowing down from 110, have to swerve a little to avoid, the following driver RH lane lit the world up letting him know!



Thank you to everyone who made a submission to the Queensland speed limit review. The public consultation period has now closed. We received over 3000 submissions which we are collating.

The submissions received, road crash data and road safety engineering information will be used to prioritise 100 roads to be reviewed across the state.

TAKEN FROM QLD TRANSPORT SITE

We will publish the list of priority roads for speed limit review when it is completed. More information will be provided when it is available.

The speed limit reviews and related speed zone changes will be conducted over a 6 month period after the list is complete.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by xxx000

if the limit was raised to 130 we all know that lots of people would then travel at 140-150

there would be more and far worse crashes then imho, imagine onramps and merging at those speeds

I'm sick of hearing this, it is the total opposite of what happens in realty. People exceed the speed limit when the limit is too low for the conditions, if you raise the limit you will find more people obeying the limit.

[MustangStevo63]

100% CORRECT Brazen!

[Hall_e]

^^^ This , i travel a fair bit on the hume between sydney and goulburn usually sit on 115, if the limit was raised i wouldnt need to exceed the new speed limit

[MAD]

People seem to think drivers are automatically programmed to exceed the limit by a predetermined amount. News flash, they don't.
People exceed the limit when the limit is too comfortable.

Of course there will still be some that take the opportunity to do 180km/h on a stretch of road, but they would have done that previously anyway. A limit of 110, or 130 will not stop that.

[satria]

I like how alot of people are freaking out thinking that everyone no matter what will be doing 130km/h everywhere. Some examples in this thread alone are old bombs doing 130km/h, 4 cyl camrys towing caravans and people travelling along on ramps etc.

People, it's common sense. Not everyone will be doing 130km/h and that is perfectly fine. Heck, alot of these old bombs people are carrying on about won't be able to do 130km/h! The people that can do it will be able to get past them in a safer manner.

Let me tell you, in my excel i won't be doing 130km/h. To be honest i would keep around 100-110 no matter what the limit, if I was to drive our new Lancer I'd be happy to go up to 130! Let's just not say what i'll be happy to do in my XW though :P

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Fireblade

Coming from SA the difference is way noticeable the other way, the Vic drivers are way more courteous and patient than drivers in SA.

drive anything late model they will speed up and box you out...

however getting around in a 30yo banged up old bomb the last three months I've noticed courtesy is contagious....

indicate.. merge.. simple....

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by BABenny

Bad move by Wheels in my opinion. I support the higher speed limit but deliberately breaking the law and risking other drivers lives to support the theory is not a wise decision.

Benny.

Yeah. They should of done 110. Then no one was at risk of being killed because the sign said so. The sign that's been up for how long? What type of cars did we drive when the 110 limit was introduce. How good where the freeways back then as well?

[MAD]

The roads have gotten safer but some numb-nut behind a computer keeps dreaming up "what if?" scenarios that somehow make the road more dangerous with each new idea.

[BadMax]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

If you can't figure out that a driver travelling at a higher speed is at more risk of injury/death should something go wrong then may be it's time to give the game away .

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Can you please point me toward the facts you are referring to? I'm very keen to read them.

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Or we could just be normal and use common sense instead

Clearly you like quoting comments out of context. To keep it simple for you...
Crash at 110kph or 130kph, the results aren't going to be drastically different.

What I said and you missed quoting it in it's entirety to suit your argument.

Speeds above 80Kph reduce your ability to survive a car accident. So I'm suggesting, the chances of surviving a 110kph accident is low, surviving a 130Kph car crash is probably less than 1% worse. You can look at crash tests to your hearts content, but it only paints part of the picture, you don't choose what to crash into.

I can't comprehend why I should risk my life on an open freeway at such a slow speed, with inattentive drivers and at the risk of falling asleep due to such a slow speed.

The argument of what to do with trucks and slow cars is completely irrelevant and should not even be raised. The LIMIT is set to 130Kph, if you do not wish to travel at 130Kph, keep left! Do not own the road! Do not play citizen Police officer! It is not your duty to slow someone down, it's your responsibility to keep the lane and road clear for faster moving traffic!

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by trublu

I shudder at the thought of letting bombs being driven at the speed of 130 KPH, and you all know there are bombs out there!

There are a bunch of other laws that the police can enforce to stop that - it is NOT a speed issue.

[Road Games]

For god's sake won't someone think of the children ???

[EDManual]

Being in France recently I was quite happy concentrating driving along the highways at 130, which is their limit. And didnt really feel the need to go faster (though some cars were certainly doing that which no one minds.)
On highways here i am absolutley bored and feel like playing with my phone, radio, reading books, looking at my speedo etc etc haha, doing 100 or 110. That speed required almost no brain. Here I feel like speeding all the time on these roads to give me a sense of concentration. And i am not hooning, just travelling along a to b.

The driving that makes me drive best, concentrate the most, safest, is the driving that required me to think of nothing else. Which is dirt rally driving at full speed. Sliding on every corner. Go to a track or enter a rally event and try it!

[MercurySilver]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

yeah changing it up to 130 should cause untold deaths and carnage on the road

a bit like the dopey tourists that are doing 50kmh in a 90kmh zone just around a bend in my neck of the woods staring out the window wondering if they should go into that winery or not
no indicators nothing
and they wonder why these idiots die on my local roads many times a year
the answer and solution, drop the speed limit
which they did from 100 to 90
guess what??
no reduction in deaths on the exact same road
numerous times a year on the way to work there is a detour because some tourist clown is not paying attention and is not looking at the road
and the number of women i see texting on the same winding roads that are a 90m limit is unbelievable
yeah
130kmh on the hume will cause untold damage and loss of life
not

why am i quoting my own post??
well guess what happened last night when we're sitting at smoko outside at work
an almighty skid followed by 3 massive bangs
glaziers ute too fast on country road,non locals and ****ed as maggot rolled it into someones front yard
3 blokes from work running up the road(all senior fist aiders)
they survived
lucky idiots
80km right that goes into a 60km left
both shouldve been dead

and the cops are worried about a 130kmh speed limit on a bloody hwy thats smooth and straight???

[Blue Oval Mopar Man]

All the times I have traveled at 130 kph or more over the years , I am tending to think I am one unbeleivably lucky bloke that I am not dead ( from the veiws of most on here ) or maybe that speed doesnt realy kill ?

I am a lot more law abiding these days and drive like a grandpa , but I still think alot of road speed limits should be reveiwed. I also think the govt revenue collectors should also stop being so deceptive with their tactics and target real problems than finding the easiest way of making money out of the people that can least afford it !

[MAD]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

why am i quoting my own post??
well guess what happened last night when we're sitting at smoko outside at work
an almighty skid followed by 3 massive bangs
glaziers ute too fast on country road,non locals and ****ed as maggot rolled it into someones front yard
3 blokes from work running up the road(all senior fist aiders)
they survived
lucky idiots
80km right that goes into a 60km left
both shouldve been dead

and the cops are worried about a 130kmh speed limit on a bloody hwy thats smooth and straight???

And yet speed will be a factor.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by poppa smurf

but the fact stands......the higher the speed, the greater the risk.

you wont die at 50 KPH unless there are other large contributing factors.

if the majority of traffic is moving at 130 KPH then it doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise the folks who are not comfortable at 130 and are driving at 100 (because thats where they feel comfortable) are going to be a moving hazard, do we banish these drivers off freeways?

then what about Mum and Dad with the caravan sitting on 85 - 90......where do we go with all these folks barreling alongside by side at 130.

bugger the children I say "think about us grandparents."

the unknown at 100 is far less dangerous than the same unknown at 130.

the speed would be fine but the drivers will be the problem.

You are missing one very big point in your repetitive assertion.

You are just as dead crashing at 100km/h as at 120 or 130 km/h.
In fact in most cars you will not survive even 80km/h.
You can end up in a wheelchair for life even at 60km/h...

So what is to be doe?

Better roads with less roadside hazards, better keep left enforcement and no trucks in the fast lane for a start.

Fact is road toll is not high in Australia, and it has nothing to do with the speeds on our best roads.

Most fatalities occur on other roads...and that is the whole point of the Wheels exercise.

To simply make blanket speed limits for all roads is nonsense and lax legislation.

[satria]

Originally Posted by MAD

And yet speed will be a factor.

Of course, because if he wasn't moving he couldn't crash! It must be speed!

On a slightly different note, has anyone got a youtube/online video of the aussie journo that stumped a police officer ranting about "speeding" when the journo asked him something along the lines of 'a car in the wet crashing at 50km/h in a 60km/h zone when it would have only been safe to do 40km/h speed is a factor but he isn't speeding. The officer was just so one minded that speeding meant you had to be doing above the speed limit, making it obvious he was just brainwashed by all the propoganda.

I thought that interview was classic!