Please Slow Down - Fatal Crash **Please Read**

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by rodderz

Good stuff Cam, if only the government would use that logic too

Maybe it should form part of the Probationary road test, a mandatory road safety/ driving course teaching not just driving skills but sensible attitude as well. Maybe some graphics of some incidents so it sinks in.

Who cares if it costs more, at least it would be helping the youth being better informed about their road going responsibilities

This is not a cost the government would cover as they make money of road users, not spend money. Also when a driver goes for their Probationary licence they are not normally on a high income.

I agree it needs to be included and it will save lives!
Also so would retesting!

[bscampbell]

Originally Posted by GTP 200

Hi Aeron
I'm going to have a chat to some of the national driving schools to see if I can help put together a driver course which addresses 2 big issues:

1. Driver attitude
2. Defensive driving

Jim Murcott has a driving course that covers this.
They really focus on changing driver attitude, and it is that which will save you, not how to drive defensively.
When I say that I mean defensive driving cannot be practised on a regular basis, but you can practise changing your attitude every time you get in the car.

Look under BAAMS Driver Profile.

[merlin]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

OK let me get this straight, they both get to the signposted 80klm post and the wrx takes off at speed leaving her for dead and within a space of a few minutes 4 people are dead. Lets try that sceanario again both of them reach the sign posted 80 klm an hour and the deadset pin pussy cat in the wrx stays behind as they both reach 80 klms an hour, my guess is they would all be at home right now eatin dinner. SPEED KILLS. :

Hmm not too sure bout that...I have driven the mentioned road heaps of times, as is common in the area most people sit on around 100. People get ИИИИed off and frustrated around there when people sit on around 70-80. Sorry if it sounds politically incorrect to say the above but ИИИИ it, it's the truth.

For the WRX to have spun out (given their grip levels) I would say he was doing a whole heap more than 100...

[AWD Chaser]

I read page 82 of the rta handbook, and noticed this:

[NXT51]

Aeron, you poor thing. However, you did a great thing and helped by being there and I just hope you don't feel the after-effects for too long.

For discussions of traffic policy, it's probably worth mentioning that the road toll has been barely reduced by the 'speed kills', 'every k over is a killer' campaigns which have mainly involved... wait for it: speed cameras. Speed is related to what we need to drive, to move, it is inappropriate speed that can result in problems. And it's the sudden stopping that results in injuries/death so driving 60km in an 80 zone can result in death just as much as driving 80 or more in an 80 zone... It's the focus on 'speed' that irritates me. Driver training, understanding the car, practice in hairy situations, and common sense will change the outcomes of the future. And hopefully fewer brave people like Aeron will have to witness these horrendous accidents.

By the way, don't believe everything being touted about the scientific credibility of those Monash reports.

www.roadsense.com.au

[XB_fairmont]

Speed kills due to the fact that nobody is perfect we all make mistakes. The higher the speed the worse the consequence of the error.

[NXT51]

Originally Posted by XB_fairmont

Speed kills due to the fact that nobody is perfect we all make mistakes. The higher the speed the worse the consequence of the error.

What you're talking about is 'making mistakes' of which the outcomes can be worse due to many reasons - including speed inappropriate for the conditions. Speed in itself doesn't kill - unfortunately the media/police/other cheerleaders are very good at this 'brainwash'.

[max]

I guess the thing is, suddenly without warning being confronted by the last thing you would want to see, ever. I drove cabs part-time for 4 years and the law of averages suggests one would see some terrible things on the road being on them so long. And I did. But a mate of mine departed this world when his car left the road at high speed and hit a gum tree some years ago. His body was absolutely pulverized. There's no two ways about it, he made a mistake. The mistake WAS his speed AND his drinking prior to the incident. It wasn't a particularly powerful car, just an old Holden. Anyway it made me humble on the road. For most of the time. Until I get a bit smart-arsy once in a while, then there's a bit of a close shave and I think.... settle down boy, what are you trying to prove?

[peterr]

Sorry to hear the man from the HQ died today the family decided to take off the life support, at least the husband and wife are together again.

[AWD Chaser]

Thats just awfull. It's a terrible accident...

[crustyman]

Here is an article about the 4th victim if anyone is interested http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-29280,00.html

[red_hotxr6]

Originally Posted by max

I guess the thing is, suddenly without warning being confronted by the last thing you would want to see, ever. I drove cabs part-time for 4 years and the law of averages suggests one would see some terrible things on the road being on them so long. And I did. But a mate of mine departed this world when his car left the road at high speed and hit a gum tree some years ago. His body was absolutely pulverized. There's no two ways about it, he made a mistake. The mistake WAS his speed AND his drinking prior to the incident. It wasn't a particularly powerful car, just an old Holden. Anyway it made me humble on the road. For most of the time. Until I get a bit smart-arsy once in a while, then there's a bit of a close shave and I think.... settle down boy, what are you trying to prove?

As soon as i saw this thread when it started it brought back memories of two friends of mine that died 5-6 years ago on new years eve.They celebrated new years eve in gympie and under the influence were flying back home to goomeri in their commodore and crashed trying to make in onto a 1 lane bridge. The crash didnt kill them they drowned they couldnt even get their seat belts off, to many injuries.Two schoolmates gone, can see them now in the class room fooling around..

[max]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

As soon as i saw this thread when it started it brought back memories of two friends of mine that died 5-6 years ago on new years eve.They celebrated new years eve in gympie and under the influence were flying back home to goomeri in their commodore and crashed trying to make in onto a 1 lane bridge. The crash didnt kill them they drowned they couldnt even get their seat belts off, to many injuries.Two schoolmates gone, can see them now in the class room fooling around..

Yeah it's shocking isn't it. I still crack some of Sando's jokes from time to time. He was a hoot! I know you gotta die sometime, but what a way to go..

[nathen]

aaron i realy feel sorry for you and have read all the post.and unlike others i knew the driver of the wrx and went to school with him and 3 of his brothers.a couple of people have said that he may not of known the area i would say he did as he grew up around the area.goran was a nice bloke and a funny bugger who was always up for a chat.when i first heard of the accident i was shaken but after seeing pictures and news coverage was shattered at the mess and force that the impact of the cars and i realy feel sorry for all familys involved in the torment and heart break that this has coused.it has certainly changed the way that i drive and the fact that life can be cut so short

[Aeron]

Originally Posted by peterr

Sorry to hear the man from the HQ died today the family decided to take off the life support, at least the husband and wife are together again.

Oh no. I guess in a way its good that they can be together again. :(

Im going to go back to where it all happened, this Saturday morning. I just feel I need to.

[phat_stak_tipa]

this is a tragedy... but what gets to me is the goose that was driving the wrx lived and the others died too many times the person who is either A: speeding B:drink driving is always the 1 who lives its the innocent people in the cars that die fair enough u shouldnt get in a car with a drunk driver but this bloke in the wrx was flying around thinking he good and now his mates are dead. i think he should be dead he stuffed up he should die not the innocent... il probly get flamed for that but hey thats my 2 cents

[Aeron]

The driver didnt live mate. The only person that did was in the front passenger seat of the WRX.

[phat_stak_tipa]

fair enough i take back what i said for this crash but my main point still stands too many innocent people die for the sake of retards.

HIGH POWERED CAR LOW POWERED DRIVER..........

[phat_stak_tipa]

Aeron it sucks that u had to be witness to that though. i still think u can have a bit of "fun" on the road but u just gotta know your limits and the cars limits....u can have fun and be safe u just have to choose carefully where u do it

[nathen]

Originally Posted by phat_stak_tipa

this is a tragedy... but what gets to me is the goose that was driving the wrx lived and the others died too many times the person who is either A: speeding B:drink driving is always the 1 who lives its the innocent people in the cars that die fair enough u shouldnt get in a car with a drunk driver but this bloke in the wrx was flying around thinking he good and now his mates are dead. i think he should be dead he stuffed up he should die not the innocent... il probly get flamed for that but hey thats my 2 cents

mate no disraspect to you .but i knew the guy and those words are a bit harsh.we are all guilty of putting the boot into the fire wall.and yes i agree with you none of the people should of died becouse of gorans stuff up but tell me you have never given your car a squirt or have had a driver error.it happens.although he was speeding.i find it very very sad and no 1 had a chance.i know from this accident and after seeing the crash site and pictures it has changed me .and made me aware ,more coutiose.and just how a simple driver error can couse such a horribble mess.i just cant belive that he is gone.i wasnt a close mate to the guy i havent spoken to him in over 10 years but god it hits when you know a person and they went in such a devastating way.i still cant come to grips of the damage to the hq.the fact that i have previosely owned 1 and seen the damage that a hq could do.basically a lady in the wet hit my hq right hand front on my car.done bugger all damage to my car(little dent) and smashed her whole front end in .now after seeing that hq and the damage on it from the wrx i couldnt imagine the force that the wrx hit it at..the passanger is lucky he is alive

[Aeron]

I feel sorry for the family of Goran. They must feel so bad. I dont think I feel anger towards him. He didnt plan for this to happen.

Here is a pic off the news of the HQ.
You'd have to be going fast to do that to a HQ.



The WRX.




The outer door skin from the WRX is stuck to the front of the HQ.

[phat_stak_tipa]

yeah he is lucky to be alive lotto ticket lucky.....i agree people do get a bit crazy at times on the road but mate it seems he went too far ive had "moments" in cars but they were always in industrial areas and without my friends in the car e.g raining cul-de-sac im random industrial area if i stuffed up it would only be me and my car that would suffer u can be silly but also do it with some thought and caution.

[clontarf_x]

Aeron, I would like to extend my thanks and condolences to you for stopping and providing assistance to the victims of this road accident. I have too been unfortunate enough to be one of the first people at the scene of two fatal road accidents, both in which the deceased suffered huge injuries so I know exactly what you would of experienced.

Take everyones words of advice and if you start feeling a bit weird go see a counsellor. Even if you don't get weird, still go see one. It eventually catches up to you, as it did to me, and made my life hell.

And I try not to be harsh but in all reality if the WRX hadn't of floored it this accident probably wouldn't of happened. At the risk of repeating myself it's all about driver mentality. No amount of increased fines, car reposessions or cancelled liscences will stop it.

Once again my condolences and support to you Aeron. Hopefully you wont have to witness something like this ever again... *hugs*

[FordFan86]

Originally Posted by Aeron

You'd have to be going fast to do that to a HQ.

Too right. My dad put a Yamaha XS1100 down into an old kingswood and would've hit at about 80k, caused $4k panel damage to the right side (going back 10+years ago now) That thing is an absolute mess.

[Aeron]

I think I need to see someone. I feel ok, then all of a sudden I feel like ИИИИ and angry too. I fell asleep in the lunchroom at work today. My boss told me I should have stayed there. Didn’t get a lot of sleep last night. I find my self just staring into space too. And I feel a bit nervous when driving. Also when I hear a siren, I stop what im doing and listen 'til it goes away. Sounds crazy I know. I still remember hearing all of the sirens coming. It felt like it took for ever to get there.

[clontarf_x]

Definately go see someone. Especially with the anger thing. That is exactly what happened to me and it still happens sometimes. So yeah, go ASAP. Take some time off work if need be, I'm sure the boss will understand.

[Aeron]

Well, i've got the next 2 weeks off work starting Saturday, so that will be a help.

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by Aeron

Here is a pic off the news of the HQ.
You'd have to be going fast to do that to a HQ.

Struth - HQs are built like tanks. That was a huge hit. I don't feel sorry for the WRX driver. I feel sorry for the old couple who were minding their own business and were killed by an idiot.

FF

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by phat_stak_tipa

yeah he is lucky to be alive lotto ticket lucky.....i agree people do get a bit crazy at times on the road but mate it seems he went too far ive had "moments" in cars but they were always in industrial areas and without my friends in the car e.g raining cul-de-sac im random industrial area if i stuffed up it would only be me and my car that would suffer u can be silly but also do it with some thought and caution.

mate i havent looked at your user profile but you sound young, i respect your honesty . but it is this attitude that will get you and others killed.
you can get killed anywhere in a car. i really suggest not having fun in a car unless on a driving track . in controlled conditions.

[merlin]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

i really suggest not having fun in a car unless on a driving track . in controlled conditions.

maybe his girlfriend wouldn't like all the marshalls looking at them in the backseat :evil_laug