Petrol Price crisis......

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Had to pick my XR8 up from Dandenong South on Saturday after having the sunroof repaired. Was able to pick up 98 for 187.9 cpl at Doveton EG Fuels.

Timing normally works against me

[EBSXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Vote 1 Franco, AFF's man in Canberra

When I'm prime minister, my fleet car will be an L300 Mitsubishi Express* to protect Australian tax payers from myself.

*boosted and running on E85

Franco's Parliamentary Fleet Car.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3qqOv_eWL80

[T3rminator]

So without the fuel excise cut, we would be around $2.50/L for 91, and somewhere around $2.70/L for 98. Reckon people will actually start to crack the sads when it hits $3. Filling up a falcon at $3 would cost ~$150

Less movement, slow down of economy, good luck to the incoming gov.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

So without the fuel excise cut, we would be around $2.50/L for 91, and somewhere around $2.70/L for 98. Reckon people will actually start to crack the sads when it hits $3. Filling up a falcon at $3 would cost ~$150

Less movement, slow down of economy, good luck to the incoming gov.

Interesting time to be alive, if it turns to **** for whomever forms the next government, they're going to be spending a few terms in opposition if it goes pear shaped on their watch.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Interesting time to be alive, if it turns to **** for whomever forms the next government, they're going to be spending a few terms in opposition if it goes pear shaped on their watch.

Well, time to make friends with the Iranians. They have said they can double their output if the world needs it.

"Need" is interesting to define though. Lets be honest, most of us can probably still live ok with petrol at $4 and lettuce at $8. We would just need to sacrifice some of the luxuries.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Well, time to make friends with the Iranians. They have said they can double their output if the world needs it.

"Need" is interesting to define though. Lets be honest, most of us can probably still live ok with petrol at $4 and lettuce at $8. We would just need to sacrifice some of the luxuries.

Won't happen - we're tied in with our 'friends' over in Saudi Arabia, they're our guy over in the Middle East, we buy their oil, they buy our weapons and we all live in this happy little relationship where we let them export and fund their brand of extremism globally and they get to keep their 'kingdom'.

Iran and Saudi Arabia both hate each other, politically we wouldn't be able to buy oil from Iran.

Probably depends on what you consider 'luxuries' - if it was just maslows hierarchy of needs and you only considered the basics at the bottom of the pyramid like the physiological and safety needs then yeah we could pay $20/L for unleaded and still live fine by sacrificing the 'luxuries'.

We'd have some fairly serious social problems that result from it though when people see you have something they didn't and decided to take it from you by force.

We're a first world democratic nation with a good standard of living, where do you draw the line on 'luxuries'? Things that were 'luxuries' in the past probably would be considered 'essentials' in 2022 and how people would respond to having them taken away would be interesting.

[jpd80]

OPEC is making it an easy decision for many to switch to Electrics or maybe hybrids…

[roKWiz]

Filled up today, 1.88 in Wang still. 30ltrs of diesel 60 ltrs of cooking oil.

Now lets think, a country that thives on take away fried food. and something that turns diesel into a cleaner burning fuel.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Filled up today, 1.88 in Wang still. 30ltrs of diesel 60 ltrs of cooking oil.

Now lets think, a country that thives on take away fried food. and something that turns diesel into a cleaner burning fuel.

There was a group in SA a few years back who teamed up with a chemical scientist or something and made a biodiesel processor which made high volumes of very high quality biodiesel out of tallow which is a waste product from our meat industry.

At one point Adelaide's metro bus fleet was running on a large percentage of biodiesel in Scania Euro 5 buses and had increased performance and lower emissions using this locally produced biodiesel.

Then the federal government made biodiesel an 'exciseable' fuel and killed it overnight because the price went up and everyone went back to petrodiesel, maybe worth revisiting?

One of the problems with Bio-diesel is that it is a generic term that is also often misused. Amateurs have used vegetable oil in older diesel engines (which works reasonably well) but this is not biodiesel and does produce more particulates as well as having a higher viscosity and the associated blockage problems.

Biodiesel itself is a broad term that describes the family of Mono Alkyl Esters which vary in properties depending on which fatty acid they are derived from. For example, Tallow methyl ester (which we made in Adelaide) has a very high energy density, high cetane, does not gel above 0degC, high lubricity, low viscosity and has lower particulate emissions than petro diesel. Canola methyl ester (which we also made but was expensive) has a lower energy density, high cetane, does not gel above minus 20decC, lower lubricity, lower viscosity and low particulate emissions. Palm Oil methyl ester (we did not make this but is made in indonesia) has lower energy density, low viscosity, does not gel above 10degC, lower cetane, lower lubricity and has low particulate emission.

Commercially made biodiesel is an extremely pure fuel which allows far higher engine performance than petro-diesel which we proved in trials with Adelaide's diesel powered metro trains and the new (at the time) euro5 Scania metro buses. The uniform molecular size and shape also means the lubricity of pure biodiesel is superior to petro diesel. (think synthetic oil vs mineral oil) A lot of this benefit is still seen at B20 (20% biodiesel). At B5, not much benefit is left.

Thats the words from his mouth, or rather fingers

I think its worth a revisit, given the current market we find ourselves in.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There was a group in SA a few years back who teamed up with a chemical scientist or something and made a biodiesel processor which made high volumes of very high quality biodiesel out of tallow which is a waste product from our meat industry.

At one point Adelaide's metro bus fleet was running on a large percentage of biodiesel in Scania Euro 5 buses and had increased performance and lower emissions using this locally produced biodiesel.

Then the federal government made biodiesel an 'exciseable' fuel and killed it overnight because the price went up and everyone went back to petrodiesel, maybe worth revisiting?
Thats the words from his mouth, or rather fingers

I think its worth a revisit, given the current market we find ourselves in.

Don't know about excise killing off biodiesel but plenty of modern CRD engines cannot handle biodiesel unless it has the proper blend, I remember the biodiesel plant in Laverton North which did not last for long, had a reputation of destroying a few diesel engines.

Cheers

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There was a group in SA a few years back who teamed up with a chemical scientist or something and made a biodiesel processor which made high volumes of very high quality biodiesel out of tallow which is a waste product from our meat industry.

At one point Adelaide's metro bus fleet was running on a large percentage of biodiesel in Scania Euro 5 buses and had increased performance and lower emissions using this locally produced biodiesel.

Then the federal government made biodiesel an 'exciseable' fuel and killed it overnight because the price went up and everyone went back to petrodiesel, maybe worth revisiting?


Thats the words from his mouth, or rather fingers

I think its worth a revisit, given the current market we find ourselves in.

Yep, exactly what happened to Barnawatha Bio-diesel plant here, used to buy it directly from them.
We really are a stupid country abundant with sugar cane, Cotton seed and Canola.
If it's volume of crop we could grow Jatropha (spelling) which can act as a hedge row and has 4 times the oil content than sunflower seed which is another great bio crop.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Don't know about excise killing off biodiesel but plenty of modern CRD engines cannot handle biodiesel unless it has the proper blend, I remember the biodiesel plant in Laverton North which did not last for long, had a reputation of destroying a few diesel engines.

Cheers

Bio fuels were around a long time before common rail but we like to invent stuff which is completly not compatible with what we already have.

Long live the mechanical injected diesels.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Bio fuels were around a long time before common rail but we like to invent stuff which is completly not compatible with what we already have.

Long live the mechanical injected diesels.

Mind you it worked with Euro 5 diesel engines so go figure the stuff they were making SA must have worked with modern stuff.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Mind you it worked with Euro 5 diesel engines so go figure the stuff they were making SA must have worked with modern stuff.

Now lets see, they did a bit of research into it first, changed components to make it compatible like filters, fliters, filters, filters and fuel lines.
They didn't just drop down the servo looking to stick cheap fuel into their modern CR cars.
I like hearing these stories about blaming the fuel and not the fools who decided to use it because they were looking for cheap.

[Franco Cozzo]

There's an interesting report on biodiesel production from tallow at this link:

https://www.mla.com.au/contentassets...nal_report.pdf

Abstract

MLA and its partners have successfully developed a process and formula for a B5, B20 and B100 Biodiesel additive. The additive overcomes crystallisation and cloud-point issues associated with tallow-based biodiesel. The additive lowers the cloud point of animal fatbased biodiesel from 50 degrees to 21 degrees Fahrenheit (10 degrees to minus 6 degrees Celsius),

This technology increases the potential for using biodiesel made from animal fats in the winter and in colder climates. This is critical for the extended applicability of tallow-based biodiesels and will potentially drive the demand for tallow as a biodiesel feed-stock.

This report details the markets, feed-stocks and manufacture of biodiesel; the economics of biodiesel production from tallow; the technology and value proposition of the additive.

I think the whole renewable fuels thing is worth revisiting in the current climate, especially for diesel vehicles because it effects the price of everything you buy through transport costs.

I went to school with a kid who was a few years younger than me who was trying to turn sawdust from a local sawmill into biodiesel, I wonder if he found any success.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There's an interesting report on biodiesel production from tallow at this link:

https://www.mla.com.au/contentassets...nal_report.pdf



I think the whole renewable fuels thing is worth revisiting in the current climate.

Yeah me too.
Technically speaking even my old V8 Cummins diesel is a common rail
Only difference is its a low pressure fuel rail.

[Franco Cozzo]

Looks like we already have a place doing it in VIC but they mostly export to the USA it seems - you'd think the media would get around this to make it known and the company spruik its wares but unless I went looking I wouldn't have found anything.

https://www.insidewaste.com.au/index...y-in-victoria/

https://justbiodiesel.com.au/

Where does a retail customer go to buy B100 at the pumps? Would be interesting experiment for anyone with an oldskool IDI diesel vehicle floating about they wouldn't mind experimenting on.

Apparently beef tallow makes better biodiesel than chicken tallow, what about human tallow?

[Blue Ice]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Apparently beef tallow makes better biodiesel than chicken tallow, what about human tallow?

Dunno about biodiesel, but according to Fight Club, it makes the finest soap....

[T3rminator]

Well....just filled up 50L on the Falcon. Would have been $120.

Can now afford Nandos for lunch with the savings.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

OPEC is making it an easy decision for many to switch to Electrics or maybe hybrids…

What exactly is OPEC's end goal here? Keeping the prices stupid high by keeping down supply is only going to accelerate the switch away from oil to EV's. Kind of like they are screwing themselves over in the medium to long term.

Or are they just trying to cash in now as the world moves away from ICE?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

What exactly is OPEC's end goal here? Keeping the prices stupid high by keeping down supply is only going to accelerate the switch away from oil to EV's. Kind of like they are screwing themselves over in the medium to long term.

Or are they just trying to cash in now as the world moves away from ICE?

The people on OPEC would be so far removed from the real world that they have zero idea about the damage they are doing to their own empire by accelerating the change to EV away from ICE.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The people on OPEC would be so far removed from the real world that they have zero idea about the damage they are doing to their own empire by accelerating the change to EV away from ICE.

They're just using Russia/Ukraine war as an excuse to jack up prices when really we only use about 10% of Russias oil.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by GASWAGON

They're just using Russia/Ukraine war as an excuse to jack up prices when really we only use about 10% of Russias oil.

Just think of it as your contribution to the War effort, everyone loves a good War !
Lets hope Biden can get his WW3 going on and really f us all over real badly.
It's coming ! the real pain is to come big time. so get ready.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by GASWAGON

They're just using Russia/Ukraine war as an excuse to jack up prices when really we only use about 10% of Russias oil.

When you say "we" are you talking about us here in straya only? Or globally?

If Russian oil is sanctioned, wouldn't it mean everyone has to find another source, and therefore we start to compete our other 90% with new buyers? (assuming you mean 10% is us here only).

Heard the G7 now wants to form a buyers cartel to control the buy price. Good luck!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

When you say "we" are you talking about us here in straya only? Or globally?

If Russian oil is sanctioned, wouldn't it mean everyone has to find another source, and therefore we start to compete our other 90% with new buyers? (assuming you mean 10% is us here only).

Heard the G7 now wants to form a buyers cartel to control the buy price. Good luck!

Lets have another crack at the Middle East, if they won't sell it at reasonable prices then lets just go take it from them for free

This time no nation building - just stealing oil.

Just now $2.17L for 91 at BP $1.84L United across the road from it !!


I am driving my diesel less and lees these last few weeks and the GT gets 6.0L/100km's combined cycle and runs comfortably on 91 so it may be the go to ride for a while yet...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by TrVrPhiLpsiNdstrys

Just now $2.17L for 91 at BP $1.84L United across the road from it !!


I am driving my diesel less and lees these last few weeks and the GT gets 6.0L/100km's combined cycle and runs comfortably on 91 so it may be the go to ride for a while yet...

Its at a point with the price of diesel that an EcoLPI Falcon ute is cheaper to run than my TDCI Focus that does 5.8L/100km all day every day - something thats more comfortable, bigger car, more practical and costs less to run and maintain to boot.

They're good second hand buys at the moment.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

When you say "we" are you talking about us here in straya only? Or globally?

If Russian oil is sanctioned, wouldn't it mean everyone has to find another source, and therefore we start to compete our other 90% with new buyers? (assuming you mean 10% is us here only).

Heard the G7 now wants to form a buyers cartel to control the buy price. Good luck!

I mean 'we' as in westernised countries.

10% is nothing compared to the 90% left over we have on hand.

Originally Posted by TrVrPhiLpsiNdstrys

Just now $2.17L for 91 at BP $1.84L United across the road from it !!


I am driving my diesel less and lees these last few weeks and the GT gets 6.0L/100km's combined cycle and runs comfortably on 91 so it may be the go to ride for a while yet...

"BREAKING NEWS"


Today the UNITED @ Merrimac is $1.75 !!

[T3rminator]

BIL in Seattle just told me his local petrol stations have reprogrammed their pumps to start showing double digits