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30-10-2021, 07:34 AM | #16561 | ||
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30-10-2021, 08:48 AM | #16562 | ||
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My take on the jabs is very simple.
Firstly I'm well over 70 and grew up with kids who had polio, for example. Now, polio is a very contagious virus which can have serious effects on people, including attacking the spine and thereby causing paralysis. The Salk vaccine was developed in the early '50s and was given to schoolkids on a large scale as early as '54. Not a long time between development and general usage. Like all vaccines there are side effects but people in general welcomed it because the positives outweighed the negatives. It's been a wonderful vaccine. The Covid vaccines have also been developed and put into general usage fairly quickly. My best mate is fighting cancer so his health is severely compromised. My grandkids are very young. I could never live with myself if I ended up giving them the virus because I didn't want to get jabbed. Many of the so called anti-vaxxers only think of themselves and couldn't give a stuff about anyone else. We hear in the news of unvaccinated people having the virus and subsequently passing it on to their elderly parents, many of whom get very sick and many, unfortunately die. I wonder how they justify their stance and live with the consequences of their inaction. |
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30-10-2021, 09:05 AM | #16563 | ||
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Well just watching my Ch 24 news as usual, showing 236 new locally aquired covid cases in NSW and 3 deaths!
Not a good look for our future prospects in WA. |
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30-10-2021, 09:48 AM | #16565 | |||
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We've got kids put through school and uni and then can't get jobs. Then if they get a job it doesn't pay enough to buy a house. They can't afford to save for a deposit and pay rent at the same time. It's affecting their mental health, it's preventing them starting families when they should be, it's affecting peoples' lives. Others... who benefited purely by being born earlier.. were able to get on the ladder. It's socially accepted to gobble up so much housing as an "investment portfolio" which really just means hoarding-a-limited-resource-thats-also-a-basic-need and letting the demand squeeze society so hard that the value goes up and results in people living in cars and caravans. They're just wringing society dry. Landlords upping rent not because their mortgage has gone up that much but because they want more profit from those other people in society. That's what society is today. Milking each other for profit. The haves basically exploiting market forces to get more money from the have-nots. And then people wonder why one person doesn't care about ensuring the personal safety of another person? Is it really any wonder that the pandemic has exposed that there is such social turmoil and division between people? We're seeing the results of 20 years of squeezing people who no longer care about others because noone has cared about them, in my personal opinion. |
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30-10-2021, 12:02 PM | #16566 | ||
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT October 29th 2021.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting. 1,919 new cases for Australia and 12 deaths so the CMR is 1.018%. 129 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.457%. The UK had 43,081 cases yesterday and 186 deaths for a CMR of 1.564%. 84,587 new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,585 deaths sees CMR at 1.637. Note that the CMR has started to rise again after falling steadily the last two months. Other notable points: Global deaths pass 5.0M, the last 50k in 7 days; Europe passes 64M cases; Faeroe Islands (182); and Ukraine (26,870) ... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while no countries drop below.
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30-10-2021, 12:12 PM | #16567 | ||
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Not for delta variant.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y The difference is minimal. But yeah, keep deleting facts because you don’t want to believe. Dan Andrews would be proud of you. The original covid strain is irrelevant now. We are nearly all delta here. |
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NSW/VIC
NSW records 237 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9941 (from 1.0096) while the actual line remains above the predictive trend line but is trending downward. VIC records 1,385 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9835 (from 1.0070) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend which has been changed to a 4th order polynomial.
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There is no mention of who did 'The Study' or where 'The Study' was done. And the last line of the article..... " The study has not yet been peer reviewed."
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30-10-2021, 12:21 PM | #16571 | |||
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Or is it just face saving? I’m not posting misinformation here. I can keep posting many studies that show the same. Or will you just keep deleting them cause you won’t accept it? It’s not a good look. And i say that with all respect to you. And i’ll leave it at that. |
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30-10-2021, 12:41 PM | #16572 | |||
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If it mutates into something so deadly that it wipes itself out before it gets a chance to replicate (like other viruses did in history).. great I suppose, but that's going to kill a lot of people. Or maybe it stays about where it is and just knocks off sick people of all ages with immune conditions, cancers, old age.. so the only people who get to survive are the middle-aged with good genetics regarding immunity? Or are you hoping that it mutates into a less-deadly variant that just gives people the sniffles but ultimately rarely kills people? What is it you're actually hoping for? |
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30-10-2021, 01:15 PM | #16573 | |||
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You breathe in a virus, it goes in your lungs and lies up against your tissue.. how do you prevent it from evolving its own mechanism that lets it slip inside your cells? We've never had a cure for a virus. The closest we have is probably HIV, that seems to be the main focus for virus research. That came about by a HIV patient receiving a bone marrow transplant from someone who just happened to have a unique gene mutation which provided resistance to HIV. (He died from cancer last year btw) The only way that scientists will make a discovery as significant as preventing infection from a virus, is probably going to be through some kind of gene editing like CRISPR can deliver. And if you think the outcry and conspiracy claims from mRNA-based vaccines is bad, you just wait until gene editing becomes more advanced! That is true DNA alteration. Kind of like what people are accusing mRNA vaccines of doing but actually real DNA alteration. Can't wait to see the fallout from that 'cause yeah that's experimental as ****. People will go into that as guinea pigs with their future and life expectancy completely unknown... but they'll still do it for science. I'm surprised that you're looking for solutions provided by scientists from research that isn't currently there yet, but you're scoffing at recommended measures provided by scientists that may not be a complete solution but is the best they've got for now? |
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30-10-2021, 01:19 PM | #16574 | |||
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There's no point in holding off on vaccination just because it's not a perfect prophylactic solution to prevent infection. Bird in the hand worth two in the bush scenario, they are key to ending lockdowns and opening up. Remember - the lock downs were purely because we don't want to over run the hospitals (and morgues). Never mind all the BS you read about covid vaccines - fact is it's just an immune system preparing vaccine - an inoculation - just like the smallpox vaccine. If everyone gets vaxxed maybe, just maybe, we'll buy time to deal with a future variant or even prevent another variant getting a foothold and causing more problems. |
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30-10-2021, 01:50 PM | #16576 | ||
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Another question for anyone who feels like answering it - the speed that scientists developed and rolled out a vaccine was largely used as evidence of its lack of safety. "too quick to have been fully tested" seemed to be the biggest part of the controversy.
If you're waiting on new technology... a cure.. what's a sufficient amount of time between scientists discovering/developing it and then rolling it out as a treatment... so as not to spark similar it-was-developed-too-fast controversy but also not appear that they're withholding a cure? Will you accept said cure or will you want the same decades-worth of trials that antivaxxers are insisting on? Where's the line? |
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What you were talking about earlier is preventing infection versus preventing disease. Scientists are further along at figuring out how to prevent disease than they are at completely eliminating infection because preventing a virus from entering a cell is really hard. The virus just evolves a new way to enter the cell. It's like barricading a door and then someone just breaks in through the window instead. All that time and research and the virus has outsmarted it. That's pretty much what has happened with our vaccines, they were created to recognise a spike protein.... and then delta came along with a new spike protein. It won't be the last time either. Our best shot.. with current technology... is to try and prevent people from developing serious disease instead, and that's exactly what the vaccines do. They let your immune system rehearse so that when the actual virus comes along, your immune system will kill it before it kills you. From your linked article: Quote:
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30-10-2021, 04:25 PM | #16579 | |||
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The too fast controversy was started by anti-vaxxers, deniers and others of similar ilk. Unfortunately the crappy media came all over it and gave it life that it didn't deserve. Just as many vaccines have taken years to develop, there are just as many that haven't taken long. Take my case in point of the Salk vaccine earlier on and that was in the 50s when scientists and doctors didn't have the equipment they have available today. Without the current vaccines for Covid we would be a lot worse off today. Now that's not saying they are the be all and end all. Scientists will continue to develop even better ones for the future, because that's what they do. |
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30-10-2021, 08:18 PM | #16582 | ||
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Most specialists would encourage it.
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30-10-2021, 08:45 PM | #16583 | ||
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Hahaha. A mandate for what? ;) |
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30-10-2021, 09:11 PM | #16585 | ||
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people whom are immune compromised, most specialist would not approve!!
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My wife is going through Chemo for breast cancer...which isn't playing nice. Her Oncologist, her heart specialist and her throat surgeon (she needs a throat operation after the Chemo) all agreed to her getting her first jab before starting Chemo. She's due for her third Chemo treatment next Thurs and is booked in for her 2nd jab on the Friday. Which was also ok'd by all the people above.
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30-10-2021, 09:30 PM | #16587 | |||
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i am not approved for the jab!! but i'm allways get a label of sorts.
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31-10-2021, 05:47 AM | #16588 | ||
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31-10-2021, 06:50 AM | #16589 | |||
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31-10-2021, 08:31 AM | #16590 | |||
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Seems to be differing opinions even amongst the doctors? I ended up declining chemo, so had my jabs, declined radiation too, but if I had a wife and kids I may of been persuaded otherwise! But like the flu shot, I would sooner be a " little bit sick " than a " lot sick " Ya gotta trust someone, and I'm trusting myself, I make my decisions based on what information I have at my disposal |
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