Petrol Price crisis......

[Citroënbender]

It may be those options are sorted in order of “least worst” long term environmental imprint?

The cynic in me notes how soon after ascendancy a new government discovers a crisis and “saves” the little people from it.

[T3rminator]

What sort of crisis is this?

Petrol - roads are still chockers, more so than a month ago. The long weekend just passed, roads between metro and regionals were full of toorak tractors and their caravans.

Energy - east coast has had an arctic blast in the last couple of weeks. As far as I'm aware, no significant power outage has occurred.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by GASWAGON

I dont uderstand why they have sold out all our gas and shutdown most coal stations so abruptly when there still needs to be about a 5-8 year transition time to allow EVERYONE to work toward zero emissions? (i actually dont think zero will ever be possible!)

As with all previous comments........It doesnt make an once of sense!

The green movement in a nutshell. All pie in the sky stuff, not based in any form of reality.

These idiots have no idea was base power is. They think solar and wind can do it all.

[Citroënbender]

Also, even if people are currently spending it doesn’t mean they can afford to. I remain lacking in confidence that the government will do anything meaningful to encourage restraint.

[Franco Cozzo]

May be a good time to get a transfer switch installed and a portable generator I reckon, power goes out here enough in boganistan as it is,

When it rains, the power goes out
When there's wind, the power goes out
When its warm, the power goes out
When its cold, the power goes out
When there's war in Europe, the power goes out

[Citroënbender]

It’s funny you say that, I’ve got such work scheduled ASAP, been waiting on sparky of choice since before this latest round of nonsense came up.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What sort of crisis is this?

Petrol - roads are still chockers, more so than a month ago. The long weekend just passed, roads between metro and regionals were full of toorak tractors and their caravans.

Energy - east coast has had an arctic blast in the last couple of weeks. As far as I'm aware, no significant power outage has occurred.

Off topic to petrol crisis the energy market is in a shambles atm and there is potential for shortages in Gas & Electricity which would greatly impact on consumers and businesses, this should have never have had happen in a country like ours with great amounts of resources. Bad decision and planning making from all State and Federal governments in the last twenty years has led to this.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

May be a good time to get a transfer switch installed and a portable generator I reckon, power goes out here enough in boganistan as it is,

When it rains, the power goes out
When there's wind, the power goes out
When its warm, the power goes out
When its cold, the power goes out
When there's war in Europe, the power goes out

British rail used "Leaves on the track" as their excuse.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What sort of crisis is this?

Petrol - roads are still chockers, more so than a month ago. The long weekend just passed, roads between metro and regionals were full of toorak tractors and their caravans.

Energy - east coast has had an arctic blast in the last couple of weeks. As far as I'm aware, no significant power outage has occurred.

It's claimed a scalp already - 170 people stood down at a steel factory in SA

South Australian manufacturer InterCast and Forge forced to turn off lights and stand down staff after energy market 'failure'

A South Australian manufacturing business reliant on wholesale electricity has labelled the national electricity market a "failure," after standing down 170 employees due to unaffordable operating costs.

Key points:

Intercast and Forge says a lack of clarity around how much wholesale electricity will cost has forced it to shut its operations

AEMO suspended the national spot market on Wednesday, in order to stabilise electricity supply

AEMO will review its decision daily

InterCast and Forge managing director Brett Lawrence said he was forced to shut down operations at his iron foundry in Adelaide's northern suburbs on Wednesday, following the Australian Energy Market Operator's (AEMO) decision to suspend the spot market.

Mr Lawrence said soaring wholesale electricity prices had been a "nightmare" for the iron foundry, which accounts for about 1 per cent of South Australia's total electricity consumption per day when fully operational.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-...ket/101158792?

That's alright we'll just outsource more steel production to China, who started a trade war with us in the last few years, just like how we're buying Russian timber, how's that working out for the construction industry

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It's claimed a scalp already - 170 people stood down at a steel factory in SA



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-...ket/101158792?

That's alright we'll just outsource more steel production to China, who started a trade war with us in the last few years, just like how we're buying Russian timber, how's that working out for the construction industry

I'm not surprised at all hearing of this, I work for a major steel manufacturer in Victoria where the price of electricity is monitored 24/7 and there is times we stop making steel when the electricity price peaks to a certain level making it unviable for manufacturing costs.
The problem has been progressively getting worse not better.

[Bossxr8]

Dan Andrews getting the blame for gas supply due to his fracking bans. The country would have 4 times the amount we would ever need if they could just get it out of the ground in Victoria. Of course he's denying it has anything to do with that, cause he's never done a thing wrong ever. Just ask him.

[T3rminator]

Wow, is there a crisis that man hasn't caused Fracking, be very careful what you wish for.

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It's claimed a scalp already - 170 people stood down at a steel factory in SA

Sounds like pricing related rather than a shortage of the resource. Its all too confusing to me why the prices overseas impacts us so much on our own resources. This "crisis" sounds more and more like mis management of our own resources rather than a true "shortage".

Originally Posted by Itsme

.........there is times we stop making steel when the electricity price peaks to a certain level making it unviable for manufacturing costs.
The problem has been progressively getting worse not better.

When I worked in the UK, the office would shut down all air conditioning and "non essential" power every Wednesday at 3pm for a couple of hours. Apparently due to price peaks. That was back in 2008!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Sounds like pricing related rather than a shortage of the resource. Its all too confusing to me why the prices overseas impacts us so much on our own resources. This "crisis" sounds more and more like mis management of our own resources rather than a true "shortage".

Sandra Sully with the late news

Yes, that's exactly what I've been talking about in the last few pages of this thread, we're the world's biggest exporter of LNG......

We have no 'shortage' - we just export it all for ZERO revenue, then create an artificial shortage in our domestic market and Australians buy their own LNG at global market prices because our third rate politicians are on the take from the industry through miniscule political donations and favourable positions on boards of energy companies post politics so they won't create any gas reservation policies for our own market.

It would be like Saudi Arabia paying $2.25/L for 91 then running their own market short of unleaded because they export it all causing prices to go through the roof.

The only state which has gas reservation policies is WA that they implemented 15 years ago, so they pay 8-10x less than we do in eastern states (and SA)

Then because the domestic prices for LNG are so high, the government tries to step in to regulate energy prices, so what the generators do is withdraw their services instead of bidding at the government mandated price, creating a shortage of energy generation - so
QLD and NSW are facing blackouts because the generators are refusing to run because it's not profitable.

This is basically solvable by legislation changes for gas reservation policies on a state level, it's a good test for their political will.

It effects us in VIC less because we have brown coal generating the majority of our power, we're not heavily reliant on gas generation like other states.

Even if we allow fracking in VIC all that's going to happen is that new gas reserves are going to go to China and Japan, unless we implement gas reservation policies/legislation.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Dan Andrews getting the blame for gas supply due to his fracking bans. The country would have 4 times the amount we would ever need if they could just get it out of the ground in Victoria. Of course he's denying it has anything to do with that, cause he's never done a thing wrong ever. Just ask him.

Never heard that about Vic before.

What area is this gas supply?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by GASWAGON

Never heard that about Vic before.

What area is this gas supply?

Article says it's all on shore in Victoria. Doesn't mention where though. Just says Victoria would have enough gas to power every home in the state for 200 years, if only they were allowed to access it.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

.........
It effects us in VIC less because we have brown coal generating the majority of our power, we're not heavily reliant on gas generation like other states.

I catch up with Jennifer Keyte these days! Yeh, also heard Yallourn has 2 plants offline at the moment (unplanned maintenance). And some plant in the eastern suburbs also had a conveyor belt failure.

Once they are back, we should be alright? We've had tradies here all week, they leave all the doors open, so our gas heating has been going on full blast non stop.

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Even if we allow fracking in VIC all that's going to happen is that new gas reserves are going to go to China and Japan, unless we implement gas reservation policies/legislation.

Yes, was thinking just that, we could raid our land of all its resources, destroy agricultural land whilst at it, and all that would do is just get sold off anyway, doesn't fix the root cause.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Article says it's all on shore in Victoria. Doesn't mention where though. Just says Victoria would have enough gas to power every home in the state for 200 years, if only they were allowed to access it.

Aust already has way more than it needs (The Moomba gas fields in SA have been there since the 60's) we just don't get to keep it.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Sounds like pricing related rather than a shortage of the resource.

Shortages usually leads to higher pricing.

Cheers

[minheim]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Dan Andrews getting the blame for gas supply due to his fracking bans. The country would have 4 times the amount we would ever need if they could just get it out of the ground in Victoria. Of course he's denying it has anything to do with that, cause he's never done a thing wrong ever. Just ask him.

Isn't the real issue the lack of a national domestic gas reservation. The Feds have allowed foreign owned interests to export nearly all our gas so that the world's equal largest exporter has stuff all for its own citizens and to top it all off we don't even earn our fare share of a resources tax.

Fracking would destroy agricultural land and water tables and for what,
so we could let the multinationals continue to drain and export our existing gas fields.

This article shows how bad fracking is for the environment. Could we really expect companies to do the right thing when fracking and for it to be properly policed.https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...nvironment.asp

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Aust already has way more than it needs (The Moomba gas fields in SA have been there since the 60's) we just don't get to keep it.

With all the political ideology and the green mantra we are doomed to shortages and high prices, honestly we look like idiots compared to the rest of the world, we just one big joke.

[Citroënbender]

It’s OK, maybe soon there will be laws passed to stop us criticising the government, then everything can just go on however it already does (eg, BOHICA).

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

It’s OK, maybe soon there will be laws passed to stop us criticising the government, then everything can just go on however it already does (eg, BOHICA).

We do - its called the 'online safety bill' and for some reason it only focuses around making it easier to identify people on social media to do defamation cases

NSW Police does a decent effort of it too with their 'fixated persons unit' which only seems to target journalists looking into politicians

I think we should be looking into biofuels, yes I know the inputs don't make it worth it from a purely environmental perspective but it would give us energy independence from the Middle East and I don't see that as a bad thing.

You can make very high quality biodiesel feedstock from tallow which is a waste product from our beef industry, SA was doing it for a while there.

Canola oil also works well as a biodiesel feedstock but is a bit more expensive.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

We do - its called the 'online safety bill' and for some reason it only focuses around making it easier to identify people on social media to do defamation cases

NSW Police does a decent effort of it too with their 'fixated persons unit' which only seems to target journalists looking into politicians

I think we should be looking into biofuels, yes I know the inputs don't make it worth it from a purely environmental perspective but it would give us energy independence from the Middle East and I don't see that as a bad thing.

You can make very high quality biodiesel feedstock from tallow which is a waste product from our beef industry, SA was doing it for a while there.

Canola oil also works well as a biodiesel feedstock but is a bit more expensive.

Yes those you mentioned should be an option.

And don't forget the Top Gear Diesel Benz that Clarkson had running on old re-used Fish and Chip oil!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GASWAGON

Yes those you mentioned should be an option.

And don't forget the Top Gear Diesel Benz that Clarkson had running on old re-used Fish and Chip oil!

Rokwiz here runs his Ford Trader/Mazda T3500 on 50% waste vegetable oil/50% diesel mix.

Rudolph Diesel who invented the things, designed it to run on peanut oil and other various fuels.

Highly doubt anything modern would run on WVO/SVO due to the viscosity of it and the tiny holes in modern injectors at the huge injection pressures they run, but a high quality biodiesel could work, think of synthetic motor oil vs mineral oils for lubricity purposes.

[MITCHAY]

There is some retarded thinking we don't have enough and therefore we need to open it up more.

We have enough for our domestic supply and can also export the surplus too, what we don't do is reserve it for ourselves,

If they open up more, they'd just flog that offshore too

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

There is some retarded thinking we don't have enough and therefore we need to open it up more.

We have enough for our domestic supply and can also export the surplus too, what we don't do is reserve it for ourselves,

If they open up more, they'd just flog that offshore too

The original contract negotiations did not allow sufficient supply of domestic gas,
I hear it not so easy to expand that condition now, a missed window of opportunity.

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The original contract negotiations did not allow sufficient supply of domestic gas,
I hear it not so easy to expand that condition now, a missed window of opportunity.

Sorry for being political here,

This goes back to the Howard days when he allowed big Gas to export without a National Reserve requirement.
I think there were 25+yr contracts signed with countries and exports.

I read, it's now cheaper for australia to buy in exported gas than use what is here!!

The only Country in Aus with their heads screwed on correctly is WA!

[T3rminator]

Did I hear correctly on the radio this morning that energy "crisis" has been averted?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by ivorya

Sorry for being political here,

This goes back to the Howard days when he allowed big Gas to export without a National Reserve requirement.
I think there were 25+yr contracts signed with countries and exports.

I read, it's now cheaper for australia to buy in exported gas than use what is here!!

The only Country in Aus with their heads screwed on correctly is WA!

There was contracts signed with France for submarines too but look what happened to those

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There was contracts signed with France for submarines too but look what happened to those

And now they want to compensates them for that too.



BTw trucks are 50/40/10 atm in winter and 90/10 in summer re biodiesel mix.

Was watching a guy on YT running a hotshot outfit in the US using bio in a Dodge ram 5.9 without problems.