Does Anyone Here Fly Drones??

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

http://4020.net/words/photorights.php

Did you actually read and understand this?? Confirms exactly what I have been saying

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Nice try. But I doubt that anyone keeps anything of value in their front yard! and other than my neighbours no one can see into my back yard.

That's you, not everyone is the same, anyone can see what's in my back yard, many people have alley ways behind their property, so people can easily see what's in the back yard. I keep a 70K car parked in my front yard, that would be considered valuable by some.

Originally Posted by GasOLane

If someone had a drone hovering over my (and my neighbours) back yards then yes I would suspect that they were looking to see what we had that they wanted.

Again what your paranoia causes you to think has nothing to do with legal obligations and rights, it's irrelevant.

Originally Posted by GasOLane

What would your reaction be if a drone was to hang around the back of your property, checking out your kids, horses, cars etc?

I have never seen a drone 'hang around' they have very limited battery life and people generally fly them around to get some cinematic video footage or B roll video footage.

I don't have a problem with people flying drones, should I be concerned about people using the nature reserves behind my property as they can see the entire back of my house/shed/pets and people utilising the back yard?

Do you realise how little drones actually see?

At 30 metres you would not be able to make out any person even if they were sun baking naked.

[Ratmick]

Ok I think we're done here.

I might start my own drone thread.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Wrong again, you can photograph or videotape anything or anyone visible from a public place, they don't have to be in a public place. It's basic law.



Ok so now people flying drones are not only perverts they are also thrives. Cool story, but your perception of the world around you and what other people may or may not do is not really relevant to the law though.

So what about the person walking part your house and looking over the fence? (also perfectly legal) is he looking to steal your stuff or is he simply admiring your rose garden? Should I be concerned about people driving past my house when they turn their head to look at my place.

Would you like to rethink that?

This was stolen shortly after a drone was seen at the property.

Replacement value. $500,000

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[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Still concerning yourself about what may be on my bucket list? Wow Seriously creep get a life, stop being obsessed with other people you have never even met, it's not good for your mental health.

May be get a mental health assessment done and seek out some treatment to get fulfilment in your own life rather than obsessing about strangers on the internet.

You have been hanging on every word I post on the internet and following my posts around like a sad needy lost puppy for several years now, it's not healthy that you have had a perpetual need to follow me around for years now.

Take my advice and get some help, save me having to take out a restraining order against some mentally unstable creep with an unhealthy obsession for other men on the internet.

you are making yourself look silly now

dig up stupid

[PG2]

OK everyone, that is enough.

I'm gonna make a new rule for this thread...

You can talk about drones themselves (features, cost, weight, size etc) but I don't want to see any further discussion about where and when they can fly.

Also, no more posting up of footage - it creates too many arguments.

Ignore this post at your own peril.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

That's how I got started, I was shopping at Aldi and bought a $79 drone on impulse, played with it for a while then sold it on Buy Swap n Sell for $70, bought a DJI Spark, and now a GoPro Karma as well.

Sell your one and get a better one if you enjoy it. The more expensive ones are way easier to fly, and safer to fly for cinematic video making.

Thanks for the tips ...I'm not certain I'd use one a lot although I am having 6 weeks LSL from early March to mid April next year and plan on giving my new DSLR camera a work out .. IF I could get some good guidance on drone stuff it could be even more fun .. Taking it on board (your suggestions ) for sure .

[CyberWasp]

There is another side to this hobby that is cost effective and just as fun, where you can't damage people or property and can enjoy FPV inside or out.

Somebody had to bring the Tiny Whoop to this thread.

[Franco Cozzo]

I found some amazing drone work on Youtube - 1:22 onwards




















































































































































POW! RIGHT IN THE KISSER!

[CyberWasp]

Just to expand on the the Tiny Whoop class of quads / clones.
Like all things the technology is moving at 100 miles an hour.
People customize them as much as cars. They are getting better and faster.
You can start with a basic non camera model with controller for around $30.00.
I would recommend a Boldclash B03 with altitude hold for an absolute beginner.
There is a Pro version which would be the next step up without altitude hold.
You can add a camera to the pro version and get goggles ect to FPV
There are faster ones after that when you get really good.

Here is a random example of indoor flying a B03Pro with out having to worry about people or property.
There are not many hobbies you can do whilst sitting in your favorite chair.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E9zUmBtV-M

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

There is another side to this hobby that is cost effective and just as fun, where you can't damage people or property and can enjoy FPV inside or out.

Somebody had to bring the Tiny Whoop to this thread.

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I have a mini indoor drone as well, great fun, Last fathers day I got the Tello as a present, seems to be a great little drone for the $$ and heaps of fun to fly.

And also gives you plenty of practice flying in a small space.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Think I may have posted these before, but here we go anyway.

Here is when I first got it:

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I found some amazing drone work on Youtube - 1:22 onwards

Looks like it's a poor quality drone (poor picture quality and poor flying stability) obviously flown by someone with no idea.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Would you like to rethink that?

This was stolen shortly after a drone was seen at the property.

Replacement value. $500,000

Fool.

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It sucks that crime and theft has only started in the past few years since drones have become popular.

All technology will be abused by some people. Should we give up computers since some people use them inappropriately?

If you see a drone being used incorrectly report it to the authorities.
Don't hassle innocent people who are just having fun or taking landscape shots.

If you own a drone, use your brain. Don't fly near people, don't fly over private properties, don't fly near airfields, just enjoy yourself.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by mac_man_luke

think its technically legal to fly over but if you are standing in your yard they have to be 30m away (horizontally, not vertically) from any person

This is actually incorrect, and I get my information straight from the mouth of CASA (Civil Aviation Safety Authority).

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Just to expand on the the Tiny Whoop class of quads / clones.

Like all things the technology is moving at 100 miles an hour.

People customize them as much as cars. They are getting better and faster.

You can start with a basic non camera model with controller for around $30.00.

I would recommend a Boldclash B03 with altitude hold for an absolute beginner.

There is a Pro version which would be the next step up without altitude hold.

You can add a camera to the pro version and get goggles ect to FPV

There are faster ones after that when you get really good.



Here is a random example of indoor flying a B03Pro with out having to worry about people or property.

There are not many hobbies you can do whilst sitting in your favorite chair.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E9zUmBtV-M

Tiny Whoops are in no way addictive... not one bit. I think I have three more of these waiting on new parts.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Been a while.

I am now a CASA licensed commercial drone pilot, time to start making some $$.

Updated and registered all my drones last night, had some meetings with two local drone photographers, good to go....

[roddy1960]

Well................... A few weeks ago I bought a compact mini drone on the Thursday . On the Friday night I charged it up and on a slightly drizzley Saturday morning I flew it in the house with reasonable control . Later on I took it outside and went to fly it up the yard . It started not responding and flew over the house roof and down over the highway

. By the time I got through the gate to see where it headed it was gone . I spent a sopping hour or more looking for it with no luck . Semi expensive lesson hard learned ($69) to set up it properly and maybe take it to the footy oval or somewhere similar to get a feel for it .

I do have another one that is a hardware store purchase from a year or two ago but it's a hard one to land with very narrow legs . I misplaced some stuff from it and never had a good go with it and thought the mini drone might be easier to learn with . Nup ...

Without spending a bit too much coin for a better unit it might be a little while before I get another but we'll see ..

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Well................... A few weeks ago I bought a compact mini drone on the Thursday . On the Friday night I charged it up and on a slightly drizzley Saturday morning I flew it in the house with reasonable control . Later on I took it outside and went to fly it up the yard . It started not responding and flew over the house roof and down over the highway

. By the time I got through the gate to see where it headed it was gone . I spent a sopping hour or more looking for it with no luck . Semi expensive lesson hard learned ($69) to set up it properly and maybe take it to the footy oval or somewhere similar to get a feel for it .

I do have another one that is a hardware store purchase from a year or two ago but it's a hard one to land with very narrow legs . I misplaced some stuff from it and never had a good go with it and thought the mini drone might be easier to learn with . Nup ...

Without spending a bit too much coin for a better unit it might be a little while before I get another but we'll see ..

A $69 drone would be almost impossible to control, I started with a $79 and it was the hardest thing to fly in the world.

Unfortunately it's a matter of, you get what you pay for, if you want to fly and take some nice photos or video look at something like a DJI spark as a starter level. Fairly good video and photos and easy to control, very stable and easily able to fly higher and further than what most people feel comfortable with.

If you want a racing drone or similar I am out, as I know nothing about them. but others here seem to know a lot.

If you just want to just have some fun flying around the house or back yard consider a Tello, and controller, which can be bought cheaply, seen a heap at Harvey Norman today, I have one just for fun.

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Well................... A few weeks ago I bought a compact mini drone on the Thursday . On the Friday night I charged it up and on a slightly drizzley Saturday morning I flew it in the house with reasonable control . Later on I took it outside and went to fly it up the yard . It started not responding and flew over the house roof and down over the highway

. By the time I got through the gate to see where it headed it was gone . I spent a sopping hour or more looking for it with no luck . Semi expensive lesson hard learned ($69) to set up it properly and maybe take it to the footy oval or somewhere similar to get a feel for it .

I do have another one that is a hardware store purchase from a year or two ago but it's a hard one to land with very narrow legs . I misplaced some stuff from it and never had a good go with it and thought the mini drone might be easier to learn with . Nup ...

Without spending a bit too much coin for a better unit it might be a little while before I get another but we'll see ..

I have installed beepers on mine, so if I have a moment and crash it starts beeping, making it easier to find. This is almost essential, especially when flying using FPV goggles, and you know it was, "Somewhere over there..."

With the cheaper units, you have to look at whether the transmitter is using Bluetooth, which has limited range outdoors, or a 2.4ghz system which has a larger range.

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Tiny Whoops are in no way addictive... not one bit. I think I have three more of these waiting on new parts.

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I have a Mobula7 HD 'Cinewhoop' on order (well my daughter has for my birthday in May). They look to be a hoot

Originally Posted by Swanny

I have installed beepers on mine, so if I have a moment and crash it starts beeping, making it easier to find. This is almost essential, especially when flying using FPV goggles, and you know it was, "Somewhere over there..."

With the cheaper units, you have to look at whether the transmitter is using Bluetooth, which has limited range outdoors, or a 2.4ghz system which has a larger range.

Matek make a 5V buzzer than you can hookup to the FC and set it up in your radio in Betaflight to buzz with activation of one of the switches on your Transmitter.

I brought my drone down in trees/long grass once and had nfi where it was. If it wasn't for the buzzer it'd still be out there...

Costs just over $5, might try and squeeze one in my Mobula7 HD when (or if) it arrives

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Swanny

I have installed beepers on mine, so if I have a moment and crash it starts beeping, making it easier to find. This is almost essential, especially when flying using FPV goggles, and you know it was, "Somewhere over there..."

With the cheaper units, you have to look at whether the transmitter is using Bluetooth, which has limited range outdoors, or a 2.4ghz system which has a larger range.

Out of interest I watched a couple of YT reviews on some stuff you can buy and the range is enormous . A worry you hear is that some people are pushing the barrier a bit too far with privacy and flying where they shouldn't now though and regulatory things could end up ruining it (the hobby) for everybody maybe requiring stricter laws than now

Then again UHF radio users used to have fairly tight guidelines and requiring licencing like in my case when I began with that but it was great to be part of . Years later they deregulated it all and then were were inundated by disrespectful muppets in among the genuine users.

Do you think that a specific kind of registration for drones with a certain operating range and recording capability should be needed at point of sale at least or is that overkill . How do you see this Swanny ?

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Out of interest I watched a couple of YT reviews on some stuff you can buy and the range is enormous . A worry you hear is that some people are pushing the barrier a bit too far with privacy and flying where they shouldn't now though and regulatory things could end up ruining it (the hobby) for everybody maybe requiring stricter laws than now

Then again UHF radio users used to have fairly tight guidelines and requiring licencing like in my case when I began with that but it was great to be part of . Years later they deregulated it all and then were were inundated by disrespectful muppets in among the genuine users.

Do you think that a specific kind of registration for drones with a certain operating range and recording capability should be needed at point of sale at least or is that overkill . How do you see this Swanny ?

I think a licencing system would be extremely costly to put in place, it may come down to local councils setting laws to prohibit the flying of quadcopters in certain areas; and this would probably come about after complaints were made.

I think a lot comes down to the size of the craft, there's a fair bit of disparity between a six foot wing span balsa model plane and a polystyrene foam winged plane. The six foot variety can only be flown at designated flying fields as a member of a flying club. Smaller 'toys' often get a blind eye turned.

With drones there is a variety of sizes from the Tiny Whoops, through to the full size units flown by Dubai Police Traffic Officers (Dubai Police Droning On). Obviously the more mass, the more damage can be done if it doesn't go to plan, and we don't want serious injury or worse to come from us having fun!

When it comes to larger quads that can carry people becoming popular, that's when registration and licensing will become mandatory.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Swanny

I think a licencing system would be extremely costly to put in place, it may come down to local councils setting laws to prohibit the flying of quadcopters in certain areas; and this would probably come about after complaints were made.

I think a lot comes down to the size of the craft, there's a fair bit of disparity between a six foot wing span balsa model plane and a polystyrene foam winged plane. The six foot variety can only be flown at designated flying fields as a member of a flying club. Smaller 'toys' often get a blind eye turned.

With drones there is a variety of sizes from the Tiny Whoops, through to the full size units flown by Dubai Police Traffic Officers (Dubai Police Droning On). Obviously the more mass, the more damage can be done if it doesn't go to plan, and we don't want serious injury or worse to come from us having fun!

When it comes to larger quads that can carry people becoming popular, that's when registration and licensing will become mandatory.

Thanks for the info and your opinion. Very interesting stuff.

[creative]

Agree with swanny but once we see likes of amazon rolling out their delivery service (Such as their project wings in canberra) this slice of airspace becomes very valuable and hobbiest arent welcome... that much is becoming clear.

The hobby is going to get regulated into the ground in my opinion. some of the rules and regulations being put into place by the regulatories, underhand tactics by pilot associations, the media portrayal of 'drones' is all negative, designed to vilify the hobby to make passing rules and regulations easier.

Licensing and registration doesnt work.. it was proven in america but that didnt change them from pushing it back through despite the facts, despite the fact there has been no recorded death or accident due to drones. Why wont the UK government release their findings from a few years ago, thats right, because it doesnt show the negative outcome they wanted. All research and information that proves the hobby isnt a danger to aircraft ect is never acknowledged but the unrealistic, flawed research is treated as gospel and rolled out through the media... just look at this very thread and Gatwick.... no proof yet it has caused major proposed changes in the uk regarding regulations etc.

Its a joke tbh.

The future of quads is going to be the 3inch and below versions but I may just of given up by then.... Im already losing interest due to the amount of restrictions being in place and the public opinion of what we do, it just makes it a hassle to go out and fly in peace.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Out of interest I watched a couple of YT reviews on some stuff you can buy and the range is enormous . A worry you hear is that some people are pushing the barrier a bit too far with privacy and flying where they shouldn't now though and regulatory things could end up ruining it (the hobby) for everybody maybe requiring stricter laws than now

Laws are already in place, and are plenty strict. People breaking existing laws does not require stricter laws it requires enforcement of existing laws.

Also keep in mind that different countries have different laws, and that many (most) youtube videos are filmed overseas.

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Do you think that a specific kind of registration for drones with a certain operating range and recording capability should be needed at point of sale at least or is that overkill . How do you see this Swanny ?

It is also already in place, not so much at point of sale thing, both my long range larger drones are registered, and I am licensed to fly them commercially.

I also have 'toy drones' that are not registered and they are literally smaller than the palm of my hand weight 15-60grams and only have a 10-30 metre range.

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by creative

Agree with swanny but once we see likes of amazon rolling out their delivery service (Such as their project wings in canberra) this slice of airspace becomes very valuable and hobbiest arent welcome... that much is becoming clear.

The hobby is going to get regulated into the ground in my opinion. some of the rules and regulations being put into place by the regulatories, underhand tactics by pilot associations, the media portrayal of 'drones' is all negative, designed to vilify the hobby to make passing rules and regulations easier.

Licensing and registration doesnt work.. it was proven in america but that didnt change them from pushing it back through despite the facts, despite the fact there has been no recorded death or accident due to drones. Why wont the UK government release their findings from a few years ago, thats right, because it doesnt show the negative outcome they wanted. All research and information that proves the hobby isnt a danger to aircraft ect is never acknowledged but the unrealistic, flawed research is treated as gospel and rolled out through the media... just look at this very thread and Gatwick.... no proof yet it has caused major proposed changes in the uk regarding regulations etc.

Its a joke tbh.

The future of quads is going to be the 3inch and below versions but I may just of given up by then.... Im already losing interest due to the amount of restrictions being in place and the public opinion of what we do, it just makes it a hassle to go out and fly in peace.

I have several thoughts on this matter, and you're right it's a joke.

Firstly the people that are planning nefarious deeds with drones are not going to go and get them registered beforehand. Following this logic all criminals are registered gun owners and all illicit firearms are registered...right?

Secondly 'real' aviation hobbyist clubs flying fixed-wing and/or (heavens forbid) replica helicopters want nothing to do with drone flyers. They don't even give you the courtesy of a reply to your emails. Drone-only clubs are few and far between and given the size of Australia this is the way it's always going to be. However every single argument that is currently levelled against illicit drone ownership with the ability to take photos and be a tool in a criminal's toolbox can also be levelled at those flying fixed wing with a FPV or HD video camera, a lot of which can be launched by hand. In this case these Clubs may want to take a long hard look at themselves as sure as eggs they are next...once people realise fixed wing aircraft can carry cameras and are much quieter than a drone.

Thirdly delivery by drone is...a gimmick and does nothing for the hobby at all, all it does is pee the people off that are easily peed off even more. These are the people that whinge in the media and bleat about privacy, theft, the approaching drone Armageddon and PTSD caused by drone noises. These are probably also the same people that bleat and whinge about wind farm generators and would prefer good-old coal powered power stations...in someone else's backyard.

Fourthly, and most importantly, people as a group are fundamentally and irredeemably stupid (I blame social media among other things). If they don't like the thought of something, if they don't understand something, if they don't like the look/sound/feel of something it must be bad, or evil, and therefore must be stopped or eradicated or legislated out of existence using any conceivable excuse or reasoning available, no matter how idiotic it sounds.

...this last one goes both ways, there's an equally stupid group of drone users that buy drones and do the wrong thing and then post the evidence on YouTube.

FWIW anyone advocating the shooting down of a drone is an absolute idiot and should immediately surrender both their gun license and all their firearms.

You should check out Canada's drone laws, they're worse than ours...

...still trying to work out how they are going to register a pile of bits I have assembled myself. Apparently in Canada you need to log an event every time you change something.

[creative]

Originally Posted by Ratmick

<ranty snip>

agree 100% but didnt want to type that much. lol

perfect example of media spin here in the latest "drone incident"

https://www.news-daily.com/features/...6b038df36.html

This article was brought to the attention to the groups by a supposed pilot ( I suspect its a troll account though) with the title " first death due to drone"

It is this kind of crappy reporting and scare mongering that is killing this hobby but glad to see some common sense responses in the comments ( at least this outlet allows you to comment on the article because alot of main stream stuff dont, so you cant even argue them... probably because they would be found out to be all lies )

Then you get tactics rolled out that good old bruce combats in one of his rants by people with a vested interest in aviation...

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by creative

agree 100% but didnt want to type that much. lol

perfect example of media spin here in the latest "drone incident"

https://www.news-daily.com/features/...6b038df36.html

This article was brought to the attention to the groups by a supposed pilot ( I suspect its a troll account though) with the title " first death due to drone"

It is this kind of crappy reporting and scare mongering that is killing this hobby but glad to see some common sense responses in the comments ( at least this outlet allows you to comment on the article because alot of main stream stuff dont, so you cant even argue them... probably because they would be found out to be all lies )

Then you get tactics rolled out that good old bruce combats in one of his rants by people with a vested interest in aviation...

Both interesting links

The first one is interesting given the guy was electrocuted doing something fundamentally stupid and the drone was not the cause...idiots.

The guy in the NZ video looks a bit like Swanny

The issue is that there are always going to be small groups of especially stupid people, whether it be drone users, cyclists, motorcyclists, motorists, sporting shooters, archers, anglers or whatever that are going to flaunt or ignore the rules or the law.

They do something stupid and it ends up on the news, or on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram or whatever.

The reaction by the uninformed now-outraged ignorant public is to legislate or ban.

"Let's have registration for cyclists!"
"No private gun ownership!"
"Make drones illegal"!

...as if making something illegal/more constrained somehow magically cures stupidity.

...the media gets on board with a new whipping boy.

...the pollies try and pander to the loony fringe in their electorates and start legislating stuff they have nfi about and wouldn't know if it bit them on the behind.

...you get idiots like Alan Jones putting his uninformed biased 2c in and even stupider politicians acting on his diatribe as they're scared of his old-age pensioner demographic (who spend most of their days shouting at clouds).

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by creative

agree 100% but didnt want to type that much. lol

perfect example of media spin here in the latest "drone incident"

https://www.news-daily.com/features/...6b038df36.html

This article was brought to the attention to the groups by a supposed pilot ( I suspect its a troll account though) with the title " first death due to drone"

Not a drone incident, it's natural selection at work, people like him should probably not be reproducing.

[DJR-351]

Lot of boaties/yotties are getting in to drones these days, I think i will be giving this a close look at in the near future, should be very handy around those reefs with questionable chart information.....