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#151 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Hi. Have you tried the ford PATS reset of holding the key in the start position for 3 seconds, You may have fixed the problem but just need to reset the BCM. Cheers MD
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#152 | ||
FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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Citroënbender Do you mean I am able to run a number of live test using the Dashboard, Oscilloscope or Table views???
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#153 | ||
FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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Not sure what you mean by fixing the problem, as I'm still having the same issue. The PATS programming option is not available to perform the reset procedure. Holding the key in the ON position for 3 seconds does nothing, as the smartshield icon/light is flashing fast repeatedly.
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#154 | ||
FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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Not sure if I can do this, but am I able to transfer all the required components from the AUI ute I have to the AUII ute?
If so, what is needed (i.e. key, key barrel and TILA, PCM, BEM)? Being mindful that I only have one key for the AUI ute. Or can I just swap over the BEM? |
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#155 | ||
FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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Not sure if I can do this, but am I able to transfer all the required components from the AUI ute I have to the AUII ute? Being mindful that I only have one key for the AUI ute.
If so, what is needed (i.e. key, key barrel and TILA, PCM, BEM)? Or can I just swap over the BEM? However, the BEM in the AUI ute is yellow and the BEM in my AUII ute is blue. Not sure and correct me if wrong, but I think the yellow BEM is mid series to include the power windows, ABS and other powered accessories. |
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FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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#157 | ||
DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
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At the moment I don’t have an AU to examine how Forscan presents itself in use.
Nearly all these diagnostic programs have actuation tests per module; eg run the fuel pump, click the purge solenoid, dry fire injectors and generate sparks. On the BEM I’d expect to find horn test, possibly blinkers, maybe door lock cycling. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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#159 | ||
FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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Citroënbender Yes I am able to perform live test using FORScan as pictured in the screenshot below. Without being able to turn the ute over, I am still able perform stationary test while the ignition is the on position.
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#160 | ||
FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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Okay understood Michael. Have tried holding the key for 3 secs as suggested, but it's still immobilied.
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#161 | ||
FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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Citroënbender Yes, I am able to perform live test using FORScan as pictured in the screenshot below. Without being able to turn the ute over, I am still able perform stationary test while the ignition is the on position.
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#162 | ||
FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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Correct me if wrong, I unable to perform a parameter reset as I only have one key?
If I can do the reset using one key, the other issue is that PATS programming option is not available after running FORScan diagnostic test, so doing the reset is not an option in the menu for some reason. |
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#163 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NSW
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Parameter reset only requires 1 key to do as your only linking the bem and pcm
2 keys are required if you replace the bem Can’t help much on forscan as I don’t use it You may need a upgraded licence to carry out parameter reset try contacting forscan |
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#164 | ||
DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
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Re BEM tests, it looks like I was inaccurate in my description of how these are done in Forscan. Attached thumbnail is very early BA but AU2 should be similar.
Not shown at left bottom of screen is the triangular “play” symbol to start the on-demand sequence. It cycles the locks, blips the horn, flashes the blinkers and drives the wipers. If you can’t do this then you probably don’t have sufficient dialogue with your BEM. ![]() |
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#165 | ||
FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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Yeah those other test do not appear when I select test mode. These are the only test that do appear, so the BEM probably died on me. If the BEM has died, do I only need to replace the BEM or do I need the PCM also??? After making a few calls, I was able to track down a matching BEM, PCM, key, ignition barrel and TILA to match the key from another AUII ute for $350.
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#166 | ||
DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
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I think you’ve possibly got a power supply issue. Pretty sure you can do a cluster test on the AU.
A BEM would need two unique keys to pair with the PCM. |
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#167 | ||
FrustratedAUII
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Duaringa
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I've got power to the interior fuse panel and all fuses are are testing positive and I've also checked the power supply to the [COLOR=#F80000 ]BEM[/COLOR] via A12 (black/pink wire) & B10 (yellow/black wire), which is also positive. Any ideas on what else also needs testing for power supply?
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#168 | ||
Starter Motor
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 3
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Anymore updates on this one? I have an AU11 which has done the 3 attempted starts and now the red hand. Did you end up doing a parameter reset?
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FrustratedAUII
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#171 | ||
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#172 | ||
DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
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You need two keys with unique chips. Only one has to actually turn the ignition, at a pinch.
I would like you to verify some pinouts/wires starting from the diagnostic port. Can you please check:
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#173 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NSW
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Your NOT doing PATS programming as such which is programming 2 keys to the BEM and has already been done before you got the vehicle
When carrying out a parameter reset you are linking the BEM to PCM and will proceed with the first key that is used ie. 1 key This may fix your problem or you may have something else causing your problem Did you program your new remotes yet |
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#174 | |||
mechanical novice hopeful
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Location: Melbourne
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#175 | |||
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with the full licence you can do more than what shows up and as mentioned previously ^above quote^ you will only need the one key for the reset as mentioned [it's actually in the BEM Pats Programming section], so refer pic [it's from my BA] ![]() when you go into that section you can either do the full Pats programming [using 2 working keys] OR do a reset where you can/do only use the one key. the other parts of it are help & exit. |
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#176 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Sep 2016
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Just wondering if the OP ever found a smoking gun with this?
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#177 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 50
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Anyone know if FF got this sorted?
My AUIII Ute has mysteriously gone into smartshield vault/lock-out/****-off-not-starting mode. No clues yet. Was running fine, and then over the course of one day it got harder to start and then smartshield threw the toys out. I was hoping this excellent thread was heading to a conclusion...? |
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#178 | ||
mechanical novice hopeful
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Location: Melbourne
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His last post ever was the one in this thread...it sounds like he gave up.
Because no one has answered you yet, I'll tell you what I would do in your position, but I don't know much, and someone who knows more might still help. You need a device with forscan software with an extended licence and a working OBD adapter (am pretty sure all that is detailed earlier here if you need that). I prefer a windows laptop and a USB OBD adapter. Less potential issues. Then you need 2 working keys and hopefully they are originals. If one or both are clones, they may still work, depending on the type of clone (again there is info earlier in this thread on how to work around 1 working key with foil). Then I would follow the prompts in forscan to do the key reset. If your ECU and BEM are ok, this should resolve your problem. As I understand it the ECU/BEM can just lose it's programming and this will fix that (although I have not had this problem - but I have swapped ECU's before - which causes the same effect - and this process does work). If the process completes but your problem still exists, then it is likely to be a faulty ECU or BEM. If you've just got a standard 6 cyl ute then you can probably pick up both from a wreck for $50. If you have an XR/V8 then you might have to search harder for the ECU. Ebay is usually good still. But I believe it must be a ute ecu. I think all S2 & S3 BEM's are pink and the the same? If they don't come as a pair. |
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#179 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Sep 2016
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Thanks for your reply asimplelife.
I ran a scan on it the other day, but i was short on time. It sent back 3 codes. One was faulty coolant temp signal to the IC, one was PCM Communication fault (might be the clue)... and one was something else. I listed them in the FORScan forum with more detail. One cleared & didn't return, but the coolant & PCM dtc's persisted & smartshield did not surrender. Anyway, I won't be back home 'till next month so it's on hold for now.... And I have both the original keys with transponders too. Was hoping Mr Furious found the issue... very similar to my problem methinks. Maybe i can round out the thread next month. |
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#180 | ||
mechanical novice hopeful
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Location: Melbourne
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As a seemingly perpetual AU beginner, I am probably only 1 step ahead of you, having done a job in this area once, but in theory I should be able to give you the pointers you need when you are ready.
I won't go into detail on anything now, as I am just going from memory, and I think it's all been included already in this thread. But if not, and you get stuck, then ask again then. Forscan is what you need but those functions are not where you solve this problem. You need to install the extra licence/functions (this doesn't cost much and may be free for a short time) to get the PATS reset. What has happened to you is likely you have lost the hand shake between Keypad and BEM/BCM (maybe the PCM/ECU/ECM is involved but that is not really relevant yet). Your problem may or may not mean you have a faulty component. But you will know that after you complete the process, if the problem has been resolved or not. If you still have a problem then it will most likely be a faulty BEM. And for series 2 and 3 6cyl I believe they all use the same pink one? You also use PATS to make the new BEM talk to the existing PCM as well as the keys. |
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