BF FPV Pics Inside

[borry]

why hasnt anyone had a huge winge about the weight, 1900 kilo's! thats getting up there... drop 300 kegs and it may be a performance vehicle, not saying its not nice etc etc, but near on two tonne just doesnt do it for me.

not good enough ford

[MrSparkle]

Well looks like Motor isn't out today after all, even though it is due to be, going on what is in the back page of the last issue. None of my regular newsagents has it (Wynyard in Sydney CBD), and they are usually good for the day before it's due out!

Has anyone seen the issue on stands today?

[The Mighty Red]

Originally Posted by Devil Racer

That sucks, we've all seen them anyway!

I haven't seen them and yes that really sucks!

[HSE2]

I reckon it will only be the subscriptions that have been stuffed up. Go auto is delayed 24 hrs to accommodate the shows requirements.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by borry

why hasnt anyone had a huge winge about the weight, 1900 kilo's! thats getting up there... drop 300 kegs and it may be a performance vehicle, not saying its not nice etc etc, but near on two tonne just doesnt do it for me.

not good enough ford

uMMMMM we did..and we got instructed to stop moaning and whinging because the 6 speed will bring the GT to mid 13s regardless of its weight. :
So lets weight and see... :P

[HSE2]

Do we think the GT-P will have a GT badge on the air intake or include the "P" as well?

[PASHEN]

If someone has these pics on their hard drive, please email them to me at pashen7@optusnet.com.au

I'm going to buy an F6, and would like to see this.

Cheers

Dave

[svo347]

and cobrin1@iprimus.com.au
Cheers

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by HSE2

Do we think the GT-P will have a GT badge on the air intake or include the "P" as well?

Morning Ian

It would be logical for it to include the 'P' i would think.

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by JEM

Morning Ian

It would be logical for it to include the 'P' i would think.

Morning Chris

I wasn't sure if they were going with tradition or not and it is starting to look crowded. I hope they do and it would be logical.

So far the feedback looks extremely positive, so although FPV might be disappointed with the leak the appearance seems to be getting big thumbs up. Bring on the GT-P.

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by HSE2

Morning Chris

I wasn't sure if they were going with tradition or not and it is starting to look crowded. I hope they do and it would be logical.

So far the feedback looks extremely positive, so although FPV might be disappointed with the leak the appearance seems to be getting big thumbs up. Bring on the GT-P.

It sure does. It's great to see.

I feel there is something 'else' in store for the GT-P... is this why it wasn't included in the promo shoot?? There is still the opportunity for some exciting news, plenty of detail that hasn't been released.

[Gabbs]

Not much of a difference except for the body kits and the auto which we already knew about anyway.
Thier has been no power increase since the release back in 03. Im sure it will keep the series 1 ba owners happy.

[marcosambrose]

please someone email pictures to: redbull_racing_99@hotmail.com

thanx!

[MeestaNob!]

Cant remember if I posted last night. Got home from work and saw new GT anf F6 pics, waaa-hoo!

Both cars look awesome, and nice and different. The GT stripes look gorgeous, and the new F6 rims (despite what some are saying) are unfreakinbelievable. Look at 'em!

Come on FPV, stuff the embargo etc, get the real shots up on the site now!

[MADDER]

Originally Posted by cogdoc

All this ing about one of the nicest cars I've ever been fortunate enough to own. I feel very, very lucky to be in the position to have one. Yep it's now the "old" "slow" 4 speed, but guess what? I still smile every time I press the button and think of all you guys waiting for the BZ model in 2016 when in the meantime I've used up all the petrol!

Having read the whole thread, and seen the pics before they got binned, this is possibly the best post yet.

Don't like it, don't buy it! Meanwhile the existing Boss owners will burn all the remaining fuel reserves with an enormous grin on our faces.

I've only got an XR8 Ute but I believe it's a cracker. 2 years, 50,000k's and I'm still having a ball. If the BF GT's better than the BAII GT and it's better than my lowly Ute then it will be a bloody beauty as far as I'm concerned.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by MADDER

Having read the whole thread, and seen the pics before they got binned, this is possibly the best post yet.

Don't like it, don't buy it! Meanwhile the existing Boss owners will burn all the remaining fuel reserves with an enormous grin on our faces.

I've only got an XR8 Ute but I believe it's a cracker. 2 years, 50,000k's and I'm still having a ball. If the BF GT's better than the BAII GT and it's better than my lowly Ute then it will be a bloody beauty as far as I'm concerned.

absolutely, thats what its all about.

i think the new cars are great, although something really does have to be done about the weight of them... :(

[melon466]

if anyone still has the pics please email them to me, please, please,please. gooz260@gmail.com

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Phatwagon

i think the new cars are great, although something really does have to be done about the weight of them... :(

I can't work out peoples pre occupation and infatuation with the weight of the cars? What makes people think weight is an issue for the car anyway?

I do understand that obviously lighter is better but were not talking heaps here. You could also argue that the extra weight is creating a much safer stiffer chassis which is a good thing.

There are plenty of heavier cars around that are faster and better vehicles...
Euro 3 has destined all cars to gain a bit till new technology is developed over time.

It sounds like people grasp at a solution before they even know what the problem is, if in fact there is a problem?

[parawolf]

Originally Posted by FPV

Yeah Motor usually sends out magazines to subscribers earlier then the release date, i guess they need to keep there subscribers happy otherwise they wont see a point in subscribing to get the magazine 2 to 3 days late.

Sorry to digress off topic slightly, however as a one time subscriber to Motor Magazine for close to 3 consectutive years, I NEVER EVER got my subscription earlier than what was available in the store and often would get it close to 1 week later. Sometimes 2 weeks later. So much so when I was doing regular trips to Sydney i'd be buying a copy in Melbourne airport fly to Sydney, while using it as airplane distraction material, get home and my subscription copy had not yet arrived (period 3 - 4 business days). I'd ring up, complain, and ACP would extend my subscription by 1 extra month to make up for it. I just ended up no longer subscribing and telling my partner not to consider it for birthday or xmas presents if she was low on ideas.

I can say without hesitation that out of about 36 delivered copies of Motor, less than 4 would have been early (as I would expect from a subscription service) perhaps less than 10 would have been same day, and the rest, over 20 issues - late up to and over 2 weeks.

[Lukeyson]

same i was subscriber for 2 years, and NOT 1 copy was delivered early. My brother always got it 2 days before i did, from the newsagent.

Went to a few newsagents today and they said they hadnt recieved the motor mag yet, and its due out today

[jmc-007]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle

Well looks like Motor isn't out today after all, even though it is due to be, going on what is in the back page of the last issue. None of my regular newsagents has it (Wynyard in Sydney CBD), and they are usually good for the day before it's due out!

Has anyone seen the issue on stands today?

I wonder if it has to do with the Motorshow starting tommorow :gren:

[Bluehoon]

Originally Posted by jmc-007

I wonder if it has to do with the Motorshow starting tommorow :gren:

Motor was allowed exclusive access to the new FPV cars...

Under the condition the magazine was not released until after the motorshow dates.......

Someone in motor had other ideas..
I believe other press people are increbidly angry with FPV, as you can see, where is the equity for the car magazines???

Perhaps FPV will learn next time. Do not trust motor, after the F6, one would think they would of learnt this.....

[neil101]

why were the pic taken off? anyone still got them if so can they email them to me at neil101@aapt.net.au

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I can't work out peoples pre occupation and infatuation with the weight of the cars? What makes people think weight is an issue for the car anyway?

having a lighter is a major advantage. not only straight line performance is improved but cornering and handling is what is really affected.

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I do understand that obviously lighter is better but were not talking heaps here. You could also argue that the extra weight is creating a much safer stiffer chassis which is a good thing.

i tend to disagree with you again. i wouldnt be so sure that the extra weight creates a stiffer chassis... even the smallest weight reduction will have major advantages. have a look at the differences between the VT series I and the VT series II commodores. series II was exactly the same structure wise and power wise (V6) only the series II version used lighter panels to reduce the weight somewhat. driving the 2 cars side by side you certainly notice the difference. the SI commodore takes a load longer to get off the line to start with and once it is going, the SII model is by far in front ready to enter the first corner. as both cars enter the corner you will notice that the SII model handles them at a greater speed, with more control, this is due to its less weight, reducing the body roll by a lot. you probabaly already know this, but comparing the VY against the BA for instance, the BA V8 models are certainly a loty heavier than the holden rivals. the problem lies not only in the panels but moreso in its heavier engine, and not only heavier engine, but top heavy engine, which is mounted far to high in the engine bay. this affects the cornering quite a bit as stated earlier, and will lesson the control of the car because the front corner will simply 'dive' into the ground and wont hold it with support and confidence.

Originally Posted by 4Vman

There are plenty of heavier cars around that are faster and better vehicles...
Euro 3 has destined all cars to gain a bit till new technology is developed over time.

they are only faster because they generally have more powerful and torquer engines. again, compare the F6 typhoon with lets say a VY R8 for instance. the R8 has similar power, but no where near as much torque, yet the F6 is both slower in a straight line and through the twisty stuff, you have to ask yourself, why?

Originally Posted by 4Vman

It sounds like people grasp at a solution before they even know what the problem is, if in fact there is a problem?

i dont think so, i think im on the money with what iv said. feel free to challenge me to anything you like...

edit: you must also consider that a heavier car is obviously going to use more fuel as well. not the thing you want with petrol prices so high at the moment.

[flappist]

Poor old FPV.....

Some FPV enthusiests went to extreme lengths to aquire the first sneak pics of the new range a whole 48 hours before they are released to the great unwashed.

It could be worse.

The new range could have been released and NOBODY CARED.

I wonder how many FPV vehicles have been sold because an enthusiest spent hours babbling on about all the good points of these machines to a poor unsuspecting car buyer and convinced them to buy FPV rather than Ford/HSV/Holden/Rice bubble?

Apart from buying 3 (GT-P + 2xF6) of them myself I have convinced several others to buy.

Specificly:

Pursuit over Marloo
F6 over Monaro/WRX STi
GT-P over Fairmont Ghia
GT over XR8
GT over SS

0.0 spotter's fees or slabs from this, just personal satisfaction.....

It is amazing how often when I am bored and am cruising the car shops that the sales guys have no idea about the product and do not seem all that interested in selling.
Actually it is the exact oposite to HSV where the sales guys seem to be gurus and hammer severely. (hint to FPV sales & marketing).

So FPV, be nice to us, we are your fans, the hard core of your demographic and probably your future.

After all remember it is easy to sell to people who want to buy and really SELLING is what you are all about.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Phatwagon

having a lighter is a major advantage. not only straight line performance is improved but cornering and handling is what is really affected.

i tend to disagree with you again. i wouldnt be so sure that the extra weight creates a stiffer chassis... even the smallest weight reduction will have major advantages. have a look at the differences between the VT series I and the VT series II commodores. series II was exactly the same structure wise and power wise (V6) only the series II version used lighter panels to reduce the weight somewhat. driving the 2 cars side by side you certainly notice the difference. the SI commodore takes a load longer to get off the line to start with and once it is going, the SII model is by far in front ready to enter the first corner. as both cars enter the corner you will notice that the SII model handles them at a greater speed, with more control, this is due to its less weight, reducing the body roll by a lot. you probabaly already know this, but comparing the VY against the BA for instance, the BA V8 models are certainly a loty heavier than the holden rivals. the problem lies not only in the panels but moreso in its heavier engine, and not only heavier engine, but top heavy engine, which is mounted far to high in the engine bay. this affects the cornering quite a bit as stated earlier, and will lesson the control of the car because the front corner will simply 'dive' into the ground and wont hold it with support and confidence.

they are only faster because they generally have more powerful and torquer engines. again, compare the F6 typhoon with lets say a VY R8 for instance. the R8 has similar power, but no where near as much torque, yet the F6 is both slower in a straight line and through the twisty stuff, you have to ask yourself, why?


i dont think so, i think im on the money with what iv said. feel free to challenge me to anything you like...

edit: you must also consider that a heavier car is obviously going to use more fuel as well. not the thing you want with petrol prices so high at the moment.

Firstly how much faster do you want to go? the BAGT is a damn quick car in its own right, if rumour is correct the BFGT should be quicker with shock horror the same weight and power!, so again is total weight REALLY an issue?
The BA is heavier than AU, why? part of the extra weight IS due to increased torsional stiffness and bracing in BA to comply with stricter crash testing for future standards, thats a fact.
Its also to do with positioning of the weight, namely the engine, not so much how much total weight, but where it is distributed. If you took 50KG off the nose of the car and sat it on the floor behind the driver i bet you's swear they were totally different cars however they'd both weigh the same.
I cant comment on Commodore weight but are you positive the performance differences you felt can be attributed to extra weight or different gearing, ecu settings, power outputs etc etc... see what i mean? its easy to blame weight on face value but is it REALLY the problem?
As for F6 i won't comment other than to say i dont believe its slower at all, and has a totally different overall weight and weight distribution to the GT so im not sure how you can lump them in together.
Im not saying it is or isnt but it would be nice to see people put a little more effort into understanding these things before defaulting to "weight" as the problem or "solution".

you can easily feel, when driving both a VY clubby and a BA GT that the clubby handles a LOT better. overall, it feels MUCH quicker and easier to hang onto... yes, i agree with what you said about the positioning of the weight and one reason the GT feels 'heavier' is because of its relatively high centre of gravity, especially for the type of car that it is.

i work in the engineering industry for holden, more specifically, HSV, and i can tell you right now, that the weight of the BA's plays a MAJOR role in how well the car does actually go. yes, obviously im going to be biased towards the red and white team, but if you have the chance to compare both cars side by side you will realise the differences are very notible, and the cause.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Phatwagon

you can easily feel, when driving both a VY clubby and a BA GT that the clubby handles a LOT better. overall, it feels MUCH quicker and easier to hang onto... yes, i agree with what you said about the positioning of the weight and one reason the GT feels 'heavier' is because of its relatively high centre of gravity, especially for the type of car that it is.

i work in the engineering industry for holden, more specifically, HSV, and i can tell you right now, that the weight of the BA's plays a MAJOR role in how well the car does actually go. yes, obviously im going to be biased towards the red and white team, but if you have the chance to compare both cars side by side you will realise the differences are very notible, and the cause.

Well i disagree, from personal experience i prefer the feel of the GT over the clubsport for the purposes of what it was designed for, Performance Roadcar, the Clubby deflected on rough roads more than the GT and didnt feel as settled as the GT, but its a pointless debate because you work for them!


PS i doubt your avitar will endear you to many people.....

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Well i disagree, from personal experience i prefer the feel of the GT over the clubsport for the purposes of what it was designed for, Performance Roadcar, the Clubby deflected on rough roads more than the GT and didnt feel as settled as the GT, but its a pointless debate because you work for them!


PS i doubt your avitar will endear you to many people.....

yes, it is, i suppose. i will have a look for some more solid evidence over the weekend and post it up