Covid 19 -

[five 7]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Out. A free country is not surveilled. If you want to live in a surveillance state move to China.

Umm you have Victorian Police were they will try convicting you on Facebook pics...then try to censor posting more.

[roddy1960]

Correct me if I'm wrong which is frequent but two very simplistic observations .

1. Testing ...Unless basically everybody gets tested soon the infection rates are always going to be somewhat of a guess and a paper figure aren't they given that some people can carry the virus and not even know they have had it in which time they could have passed it on however many times .

2. If pretty much every country is in massive debt over all this who is lending who money or is a hugely complicated combination of money , infrastructure shortfall and other factors .

Wouldn't it be great if every major country went to their respective treasuries got some paper and ran off a few trillion each to pay each other off..

Sorry , on that I couldn't help myself ...That said in jest , I think Roosevelt pretty much did that to some degree during the Great Depression. I know they created heaps of jobs that never existed before such as building the Hoover Dam and Interstate Highways etc.. at least to drive the economy like stimulus packages here and there in different places have done since , not least here .

Time for work for me right now...

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Cav

And so onto the Govmint App.

Are we in or out?

In. And whats-more, I'd make it a mandatory update for Apple and Android operating systems that your phone must take now or cease working.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

In. And whats-more, I'd make it a mandatory update for Apple and Android operating systems that your phone must take now or cease working.

...

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

In. And whats-more, I'd make it a mandatory update for Apple and Android operating systems that your phone must take now or cease working.

Exactly how is the Government supposed to help us with one hand tied behind its back?

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by marty351

1% alcyhole = 2 proof. So,
100% ethanol = 200 proof.

And how do I know? By paying attention in science class. And many other sources over time keep confirming this.

And it's not useless info, for instance, when you hear or see something (or someone) mention 80% proof, use the percentage, not the proof. It could save you from making a life-altering mistake.
And now I digress...

Off topic, but all explained here.

Only (minor) correction to your posts Marty is that in the US it is twice the ABV value, but traditionally it was equivalent to about 1.8 times the ABV value.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

In. And whats-more, I'd make it a mandatory update for Apple and Android operating systems that your phone must take now or cease working.

I knew that old Nokia we all have lying about would come in handy

Also anti-vaxxers doing letterbox drops:

https://amp.smh.com.au/lifestyle/hea...mpression=true

The document, seen by the Herald, said COVID-19 was just a mild seasonal cold and was being exaggerated as part of a conspiracy to remove social freedoms and introduce forced vaccinations.

The document alleges that a cast of villains, including Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, Lucy Turnbull, the World Health Organisation, the World Bank and Big Pharma, had a secret agenda that would culminate in hiding identifying nanoparticles in the vaccine to exert global domination.

Conspiracy theories are also being propagated online, varying from claims that the virus is mild to it being manufactured or caused by 5G mobile networks.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Exactly how is the Government supposed to help us with one hand tied behind its back?

I'm amused as to where the concept that Government was here to help us actually comes from?

Anyway. In better news we only had 7 new cases yesterday and no deaths so the CMR improved slightly to 1.073% -



Likewise for NZ with no deaths and 9 new cases, the CMR improved to 0.833%.

The UK CMR also improved to 13.234% but the US CMR worsened to 5.359%. There isn't much sign of the infection rate improving either..

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by russellw

I'm amused as to where the concept that Government was here to help us actually comes from?

Well of course they are, just ask them!

[Cav]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Out. A free country is not surveilled. If you want to live in a surveillance state move to China.

My grandmother was half Chinese you dumb ugly racist Ford nut.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

This is what happens when we have been brainwashed by foreign organisations like newscorp. The illusion of free....

You don't reckon the US have surveillance? Who has more of if their citizens in jail than any other country per capita?
I live in the UK for a while, they have the most concentrated use of CCTV than any other country. Its just fortunate there are so many other people of interest ahead of you

In or out it doesn't matter, it'll soon be inbuilt into Android and Apple os anyhow, and over time it will just become a default to have it on. How ironic, maybe we need Huawei phones to bypass surveillance

This is what happens when the population vote for successive governments of both persuasions who've no regard for people's rights.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Cav

My grandmother was half Chinese you dumb ugly racist Ford nut.

Left or right?

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I knew that old Nokia we all have lying about would come in handy

Also anti-vaxxers doing letterbox drops:

https://amp.smh.com.au/lifestyle/hea...mpression=true

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Left or right?

Top or bottom?

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I knew that old Nokia we all have lying about would come in handy

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sto...g-tracing-app/

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/unca...th-his-mobile/

[Charliewool]

I’m in.... Where do I get the app?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

I’m in.... Where do I get the app?

Right this way good sir, I just need the 16 digits on the front of your credit card and the expiry date if you please

[superyob]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Off topic, but all explained here.

Only (minor) correction to your posts Marty is that in the US it is twice the ABV value, but traditionally it was equivalent to about 1.8 times the ABV value.

That is actually quite interesting. I just don't have any gunpowder...

[superyob]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

In. And whats-more, I'd make it a mandatory update for Apple and Android operating systems that your phone must take now or cease working.

I would happily throw my phone away...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Best and cheapest handwash is the good ole 91ULP. $1.20-$1.30 litre.works better than any alcohol based stuff

Till the chemicals give you cancer

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by superyob

I would happily throw my phone away...

In that case... Can I have it? Is it late-model?

[russellw]

One last set of stats for today based on the obvious question of are we winning the war against this pandemic.

The only real measure we have of that is the new infection rates and we saw that the polynomial trend line for Australia (above) has about the sort of curve you'd expect with a gentle ramp up followed by a downward curve.

If I might digress for a moment. For those who don't know, polynomial trend lines are used to smooth out bumps in data sets that can be caused by inconsistent data or weekday vs weekend trends (for example) and they can be 'ordered' to indicate the maximum number of fluctuations or bends that occur on the line. The ones we have been using up to now are 2nd order polynomial trendlines which generally only have one hill or valley.

I've chosen a number of countries that have had high case rates and plotted their polynomial trendlines below:



You ideally want to see something like Italy (red) where the downward curve is a bit steeper than say Iran (yellow) but you definitely don't want to see any that are still on the upward trend like the UK and Turkey.

The third order polynomial doesn't show anything much different except it does highlight the impact the measures Germany took (albeit later than they probably should have) has had with a steeper decline than other countries have experienced.

[FPV8U]

https://news.usc.edu/168987/antibody...ngeles-county/

[Cav]

Originally Posted by russellw

One last set of stats for today based on the obvious question of are we winning the war against this pandemic.

The only real measure we have of that is the new infection rates and we saw that the polynomial trend line for Australia (above) has about the sort of curve you'd expect with a gentle ramp up followed by a downward curve.

If I might digress for a moment. For those who don't know, polynomial trend lines are used to smooth out bumps in data sets that can be caused by inconsistent data or weekday vs weekend trends (for example) and they can be 'ordered' to indicate the maximum number of fluctuations or bends that occur on the line. The ones we have been using up to now are 2nd order polynomial trendlines which generally only have one hill or valley.

I've chosen a number of countries that have had high case rates and plotted their polynomial trendlines below:

image

You ideally want to see something like Italy (red) where the downward curve is a bit steeper than say Iran (yellow) but you definitely don't want to see any that are still on the upward trend like the UK and Turkey.

The third order polynomial doesn't show anything much different except it does highlight the impact the measures Germany took (albeit later than they probably should have) has had with a steeper decline than other countries have experienced.

image

Do you work for the BOM Russellw?

[Citroënbender]

Interesting to consider whether the high mortality rate in the US includes a disproportionate number of people with strongly Spanish genetic material.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Cav

Do you work for the BOM Russellw?

ABS would be more appropriate...

[Cav]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

I’m in.... Where do I get the app?

I dunno if the idea will float but if we get a second wave then all bets are off.

The problem with social media and us blokes on here is that we all talk about stuff we know nufink about just to big note ourselves.

Remember the My Health kerfuffle and all the outrage over privacy concerns about our health information? Gee what I'd give to see Franco's file.

It seems 90% of the population are in.

Now to this App.

According to those propella heads at govmint the App collates data via bluetooth when phones come close to each other and it retains the data for three weeks.

The idea is that if you get the WuFlu then govmint can contact all people who got close to you whether you rooted them or not. Maybe that's why Barnaby is against it.

If we get a decent second wave then the App will be in, in except for those who want to opt out, just like My Health.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Cav

I dunno if the idea will float but if we get a second wave then all bets are off.

The problem with social media and us blokes on here is that we all talk about stuff we know nufink about just to big note ourselves.

Remember the My Health kerfuffle and all the outrage over privacy concerns about our health information? Gee what I'd give to see Franco's file.

It seems 90% of the population are in.

Now to this App.

According to those propella heads at govmint the App collates data via bluetooth when phones come close to each other and it retains the data for three weeks.

The idea is that if you get the WuFlu then govmint can contact all people who got close to you whether you rooted them or not. Maybe that's why Barnaby is against it.

If we get a decent second wave then the App will be in, in except for those who want to opt out, just like My Health.

Remember, you cannot un-see what you have seen...

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Cav

I dunno if the idea will float but if we get a second wave then all bets are off.

The problem with social media and us blokes on here is that we all talk about stuff we know nufink about just to big note ourselves.

Remember the My Health kerfuffle and all the outrage over privacy concerns about our health information? Gee what I'd give to see Franco's file.

It seems 90% of the population are in.

Now to this App.

According to those propella heads at govmint the App collates data via bluetooth when phones come close to each other and it retains the data for three weeks.

The idea is that if you get the WuFlu then govmint can contact all people who got close to you whether you rooted them or not. Maybe that's why Barnaby is against it.

If we get a decent second wave then the App will be in, in except for those who want to opt out, just like My Health.

For those worried about data collected you currently share more information about yourself if you have:-

- A mobile phone with any app that shares location data
- Any loyalty program
- A free email account like gmail etc
- A credit or debit card
- Ebay or Amazon etc
- Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, Twitter
- Probably Uber.

Except in these cases you are sharing your information with private companies who onsell this information to other private companies and build up profiles on you.

https://www.wired.com/story/foursqua...where-you-are/

The government is asking you to help out with download an app that does 1/100th of what you already freely giveaway now.

And you can delete the app anytime.

[guzzis3]

Originally Posted by Cav

The problem with social media and us blokes on here is that we all talk about stuff we know nufink about just to big note ourselves.

Speak for yourself...

russelw's graphs are really basic data analysis (not to trivialise them, I'm really grateful for him doing it for me). These data sets are easy. I used to work for the csiro and you'd feint if you saw the mud I had to try and pull trends out of.

Unfortunately the general population have learned not to trust data analysis because it can be driven in any direction you want if you have an agenda. Witness road safety and both sides of global warming....and this virus thing

If it's done properly, which has to include a transparent analysis and access he the raw data, it can be extremely useful. russelw has been doing a really good job of distilling the information into easily understood form. Small round of applause...