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Watched the ute one that he did a while back, and the 4cyl Everest part of this test and have concluded that he hasn't gained any credibility since the last test so I'm not going to waste my time watching any more.
Testing 2 different spec levels of car (Everest) and then attributing the differeces in behaviour to the cylinder count?? Yep, logic right there. I guess it gains him a few 'clicks' on his channel.
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He put it as the best of the 4 cylinder SUVs in the towing test.
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I’m missing what you are actually complaining about. From what I have seen this test was comparing how each vehicle handled different driving tasks. |
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I would suggest that the differences in handling have very little to do with the cylinder count. He did mention differences in wheels but seems to spend much of the time inferring its to do with the cylinder count.
I refuse to believe that a car with more power and torque and better gearing can fail a test that a car with less power, less torque and less gears passed, simply because it had one extra cylinder. It defies logic. Obviously I'm referring to the 3.2 Ranger tested in the ute test. I don't agree with his methods because very few people in the real world actually drive like that. I personally don't find him credible.
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The concern on the other reviews has been the 2.0 and it's 10x gears, its constantly banging up and down gears where as the 3.2L variations with the 6sp auto picks a gear and stays in it. Quote:
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Ute test had the 4 cylinder and v6 also, no 3.2. Why does he have to drive like everyone in the real world for a test? They put all these 4wds in the same setting using the same tests to figure out who’s who in the zoo. I don’t know why anyone would find that a bad thing.
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I've read most of those reviews and you can also find reviews with the exact opposite outcome. It comes down to the driver mindset and many of them think that changing gears means it's struggling.
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Apologies all, I've gone off a bit half cocked but I can see where I've made the mistake. I still don't rate the guy doing the testing, or the testing methods but for some reason I thought it was with the old ute. My bad. I was wrong.
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Maybe all the mitsi bits fell off
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No I'm responding to people that bag a manufacturer for no reason other than ignorance .....why research a race that doesn't really interest me?
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There was no threat of violence just the suggestion of paying him a visit ?
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It sounded like a threat of violence to me so the smart thing to do would be to leave it at that.
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Fair enough Russell, il take the ban then thanks
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On a side note, seeing Kia is aiming at hilux and ranger, who thinks they will be a real threat?
Tbh, I think they will be, maybe not straight off the bat, but after 12 months or so I think they can be depending on how they price it
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I reckon they'll go too hard on pricing and end up meeting 25% of their sales target, I'm calling $55K-$70K mark when it hits the market, it'll be very close to Ranger and Hilux premium pricing.
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It seems possible that they have the right engines to compete. They have the 2.2 diesel out of the Sorrento, a 6cyl diesel with an output over 200kW and a petrol V6 to directly take on the Raptor. 7 years warranty as well. It will be interesting with delivery times. Would there be a chance that some Ranger buyers will cancel their orders if they can get into a 'Tasman' sooner? As you mentioned, I think that a lot will depend on how they are priced. |
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These tests are just to show how a car compares to its competitors in a range of tests. It’s probably a better review than a journalist going in with a bias opinion discussing how a car handles compared to its competitor that the journalist last drove 8 months ago. |
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There is very little science involved with mr maric...
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The best quote was when he was driving the Patrol - "You can't beat having a NA V8 under your right foot". |
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Kia has terrible parts support, so I can't see them taking off.
Braking a driveshaft out in the bush and waiting 3 months for it isn't going to be popular. Quite often we have damaged Kias at work off the road for 6 months. We have encountered parts that don't even exist as being available. Toyota on the other hand rarely are over a month.
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the rest of the Ute sales ladder seems to be a separate competition…. |
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A young fellow I know bought a new GWM ute.
Now he is buying a new Mustang. |
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