Twilight for the traditional ICE automobile - Page 7

jpd80 · 15-02-2021, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I saw this posted on the ford internal website last week. It was a surprise as i thought production had stopped on both of these. Or was being wound down.

They put a smallish 1.1 isn't battery below the floor in the rear compartment and,
presumably where the space saver spare went. Looks like both can carry bulky loads.

five 7 · 16-02-2021, 12:19 PM

I think you would be grateful to have a ICE powered vehicle in Texas at the moment, with the rolling blackouts they are having, even there wind turbines are freezing solid.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr4...Capw3gpmYnh1Q-

**kypez** · 16-02-2021, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by five 7

I think you would be grateful to have a ICE powered vehicle in Texas at the moment, with the rolling blackouts they are having, even there wind turbines are freezing solid.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr4...Capw3gpmYnh1Q-

Spoke to my mates there. Even with the rolling blackouts, they have enough power to charge their car when power is available. Again, non issue. Besides, people are all staying home which is driving up energy usage due to the storms; people aren't driving around.

But definitely not an issue for any one of us in this country!

Wretched · 16-02-2021, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by five 7

I think you would be grateful to have a ICE powered vehicle in Texas at the moment, with the rolling blackouts they are having, even there wind turbines are freezing solid.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr4...Capw3gpmYnh1Q-

That would affect fuel pumps too i'd imagine.

five 7 · 16-02-2021, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Spoke to my mates there. Even with the rolling blackouts, they have enough power to charge their car when power is available. Again, non issue. Besides, people are all staying home which is driving up energy usage due to the storms; people aren't driving around.

But definitely not an issue for any one of us in this country!

I just drove 2600ks around the south island in a large camper last week, at the time i wondered how a EV would have faired, we went to some fairly remote places and freedom camped, even finding a gas station or one that was open was hard at times, was filling with diesel every day it seemed. Still need to take a Tesla for a Fang but will be hard to shift me out of the car i have. Cheers. Also has temp affected the range/performance of your friends EVs in the states.

**kypez** · 16-02-2021, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by five 7

I just drove 2600ks around the south island in a large camper last week, at the time i wondered how a EV would have faired, we went to some fairly remote places and freedom camped, even finding a gas station or one that was open was hard at times, was filling with diesel every day it seemed. Still need to take a Tesla for a Fang but will be hard to shift me out of the car i have. Cheers.

For sure. I agree with that use case. For me, I'd hire a car for the once I year I'd do that event. The rest of the year, I'd use the Electric (much like how I use my GTF or my Race car at the moment). But I understand I have the luxury to drive both.

When I'm not towing, driving my Everest makes me want to cut my wrist! Its so SLOW!! Thats why I let it go for the Model 3 a few months ago. I hire a car to tow when I need to. Small price to pay for all the enjoyment the rest of the year.

I'm waiting on the CyberTruck for my towing needs (or Rivian, whichever makes it here first).

**kypez** · 16-02-2021, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by five 7

Also has temp affected the range/performance of your friends EVs in the states.

Absolutely. Same with my Sisters Model 3 in Norway. They drop but not too bad. They have an average of 18%-20% range drop in Winter vs Summer. Not an issue for them as they don't drive more than 300kms a day and on long trips, they stop every couple of hours anyway (they have kids) so the range loss isn't noticed as they charge when they stop every 2-3 hours anyway.

**GasoLane** · 16-02-2021, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by five 7

we went to some fairly remote places and freedom camped, even finding a gas station or one that was open was hard at times,

'Gas Station' ? I never knew that America had a Sth Island

kmav23 · 16-02-2021, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by five 7

I think you would be grateful to have a ICE powered vehicle in Texas at the moment, with the rolling blackouts they are having, even there wind turbines are freezing solid.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr4...Capw3gpmYnh1Q-

If you have your own solar panels or home batteries you could still charge your car. In a natural disaster fuel stations would be cut off from supplies.

**GasoLane** · 16-02-2021, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kmav23

If you have your own solar panels or home batteries you could still charge your car. In a natural disaster fuel stations would be cut off from supplies.

Whilst power would be out for petrol stations if the grid is down you neglected to look at the link.

In Texas they're having snow storms, this means no sun, so no power going into the solar panels. Not only that but most home solar systems (that also feed into the grid) don't work if the grid is down.

Citroënbender · 16-02-2021, 05:43 PM

Maybe snowlar power or “ice” powered? :p

Bossxr8 · 16-02-2021, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kmav23

If you have your own solar panels or home batteries you could still charge your car. In a natural disaster fuel stations would be cut off from supplies.

Solar panels might as well be a paperweight with a foot of snow on them.

**kypez** · 16-02-2021, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Solar panels might as well be a paperweight with a foot of snow on them.

But you could use your battery stored energy to melt the snow on the solar panels and then use the melt as a Hydro electric setup and recharge the batteries again.

five 7 · 17-02-2021, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

But you could use your battery stored energy to melt the snow on the solar panels and then use the melt as a Hydro electric setup and recharge the batteries again.

Or a snow shovel. Germany seems to be suffering from this problem.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr9..._jV5mfgN_PrvI-

**kypez** · 17-02-2021, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by five 7

Or a snow shovel. Germany seems to be suffering from this problem.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr9..._jV5mfgN_PrvI-

The irony is that Australia is probably one of the best placed countries for EV adoption but we are laggards. Sure, there are a lot of people in the sticks and those that need to travel 1000 kms a day non stop everyday, but outside of those individuals, it's pretty ripe.

Note: Price excluded in this discussion. Was looking at Solar power generation and EV usage.

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oldel · 17-02-2021, 05:19 PM

Price is important though.

In Australia some pay most of their wages into overpriced housing in order to have somewhere to live
Those that made bucket loads of cash out of the resources boom and overpriced housing buy big utes or landcruisers to tow their boats.

There's no class of people just paying 30% of their wages into the mortgage or rent anymore. Probably because when they get that comfortable they buy an investment house... That's the market you have to get into when offering something like an expensive electric car that might use as a second (city) car. People interested either want more fun toys instead, or are buried under mortgage/rent stress.

kmav23 · 18-02-2021, 09:54 AM

Ford announced they will only make and sell full EVs by 2030 in Europe. No ICE cars by 2026, only EVs or hybrids in Europe. The transition the full EVs is going to be super rapid as all the automakers go all in this decade. Most countries are looking to ban the sale of ICE cars by 2030 to 2040.

five 7 · 18-02-2021, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

'Gas Station' ? I never knew that America had a Sth Island

Umm using that formula your user name should Petrol me thinks.

five 7 · 18-02-2021, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kmav23

Ford announced they will only make and sell full EVs by 2030 in Europe. No ICE cars by 2026, only EVs or hybrids in Europe. The transition the full EVs is going to be super rapid as all the automakers go all in this decade. Most countries are looking to ban the sale of ICE cars by 2030 to 2040.

Hey kmav23 did you ever find out what car your driving, asking for a friend..

**GasoLane** · 18-02-2021, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by five 7

Umm using that formula your user name should Petrol me thinks.

Not quite, when I thought of the name I had a Fairlane on duel fuel

**GasoLane** · 18-02-2021, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kmav23

Ford announced they will only make and sell full EVs by 2030 in Europe. No ICE cars by 2026, only EVs or hybrids in Europe.

Please enclose links to back up these statements.

Wretched · 18-02-2021, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

Please enclose links to back up these statements.

Not sure on the source but it appears that in Europe only. But they will have a hybrid, so not entirely accurate.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/palashg...motor-vows-to-
sell-only-electric-cars-in-europe-by-2030/?sh=3311a5c0650c

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Ford Motor’s Cologne plant, its first all-electric vehicle facility in Europe, will start rolling out electric vehicles, including the Mustang Mach-E, in 2023.

By 2026, every passenger car model that Ford sells on the continent will have an electric or plug-in hybrid option

Ford said its commercial vehicles, including the Transit van and the Ranger pick-up truck, will be all-electric or plug-in hybrid by 2024; and that it expects two-thirds of its commercial vehicle sales in Europe to be all-electric or plug-in hybrid by 2030.

kmav23 · 18-02-2021, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

Not sure on the source but it appears that in Europe only. But they will have a hybrid, so not entirely accurate.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/palashg...motor-vows-to-
sell-only-electric-cars-in-europe-by-2030/?sh=3311a5c0650c

Thanks for providing the link. It was a big news announcement yesterday.

Europe, California and China will be the most aggressive in switching towards full EVs which is significant as they are the worlds biggest car markets and car makers.

ozrunner · 18-02-2021, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kmav23

Ford announced they will only make and sell full EVs by 2030 in Europe. No ICE cars by 2026, only EVs or hybrids in Europe.....

Dude do you pull you post information out of your rectum just to suit your BS cause.

Read the release again. It says there will also be an OPTION for an EV in every passenger car model meaning ICE will still be the main player as EV's are only an option. They are also expecting 2/3 of commercial vehicles to be non ice so 1/3 will still be ice or maybe more.

Also since when has California been a world biggest car maker.

**kypez** · 18-02-2021, 11:34 PM

Just an FYI, just cause it's freezing cold, doesn't mean wind turbines can't work. It's just the ones in Texas were probably not engineered to work in the cold.

I fact checked this. They produce 330 kw each (so 990 total) of power for the Antarctic stations.

https://www.nsf.gov/news/mmg/mmg_disp.jsp?med_id=68353

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oldel · 19-02-2021, 12:09 AM

What's that go to do with anything? Like EVs or Australia?

**kypez** · 19-02-2021, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by oldel

What's that go to do with anything? Like EVs or Australia?

Scroll up. It was brought up that Wind Turbines froze in Texas and that EVs would be a bad idea with rolling power outages. Was a comment wrt that story.

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oldel · 19-02-2021, 12:30 AM

Ahh, OK. I don't see the tie on with cars, but if people want to play the game "you can't charge and electric car when the powers out like in texas", then the answer is : petrol pumps don't work when the powers out either.
OK what about "my cars got a full tank, don't need fuel". Well then the answer is to tell them to go drive out in snow and turn into a fiery wreck like what happens every time the road gets icy in Texas.
in short, driving isn't a priority when either the power is out, or wanting to drive in snowy and icy texas where everyone crashes and dies anyway.

As far as iced up wind turbines, anyone blaming them being iced up for the lack of power is a full blown moron. That isn't the main power generation for texas. Even though a few turbines are iced up, wind generation is 150% of expected because the ones not iced up and making more power than expected. The gas and nuke is down due to iced up gas and water lines/
The turbines currrently iced up will be up and operational before the gas and nuke is, so wind is and will be making more power than expected. The thermal plants have lost 30GW of capacity though...

**kypez** · 19-02-2021, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by oldel

Ahh, OK. I don't see the tie on with cars, but if people want to play the game "you can't charge and electric car when the powers out like in texas", then the answer is : petrol pumps don't work when the powers out either.
OK what about "my cars got a full tank, don't need fuel". Well then the answer is to tell them to go drive out in snow and turn into a fiery wreck like what happens every time the road gets icy in Texas.
in short, driving isn't a priority when either the power is out, or wanting to drive in snowy and icy texas where everyone crashes and dies anyway.

Indeed. Just stay put for a few days and wait for it to pass.

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five 7 · 19-02-2021, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by oldel

Ahh, OK. I don't see the tie on with cars, but if people want to play the game "you can't charge and electric car when the powers out like in texas", then the answer is : petrol pumps don't work when the powers out either.
OK what about "my cars got a full tank, don't need fuel". Well then the answer is to tell them to go drive out in snow and turn into a fiery wreck like what happens every time the road gets icy in Texas.
in short, driving isn't a priority when either the power is out, or wanting to drive in snowy and icy texas where everyone crashes and dies anyway.

As far as iced up wind turbines, anyone blaming them being iced up for the lack of power is a full blown moron. That isn't the main power generation for texas. Even though a few turbines are iced up, wind generation is 150% of expected because the ones not iced up and making more power than expected. The gas and nuke is down due to iced up gas and water lines/
The turbines currrently iced up will be up and operational before the gas and nuke is, so wind is and will be making more power than expected. The thermal plants have lost 30GW of capacity though...

But they are going out and driving, most need food and water and are waiting hours, pipes are frozen so no water not to mention water damage insurance claims when thawed. Fuel is easy to store which if you lived in those conditions you would be stupid not to have a stash, not so easy with electricity, maybe you could use ice genset to charge. I believe Texas had opted out of having a contingency to cover these power outages. Do you have link were wind generation is up 150% of expected.
Cheers