FG2 FPV's

[Polyal]

I dont get all this talk over the suspension, chassis etc.

The only debatable issue at the moment is rear tyre width, thats it, and its most likely going to be sorted very soon.

They need to work on reliability and fine tuning (diff bush issue for example). When you look at it:

Engine: Done, will only need tweeks to ECU for the next 4 years

Trans: ZF is awesome, same with Ford spec 6SPA, Tremec is really as good as it gets for the money

Suspension: whats wrong with it again? Oh thats right it took Holdens billion dollar baby to catch up

To me its the finer details of the FPV package that need work and it sounds like its going to be addressed soon anyway.

Exterior is open to debate, its not objective so we will leave that alone. I will say that any mods to move it from the Falcon (ala HSV tail light solution) is a good move but again there is nothing inherently wrong with the "look" of the cars now.

[dawsman]

My prediction for FG2 FPV's is that there will only be minor adjustment/refinement (if any) suspension wise from factory and we won't see the beefed up suspension or wide rear wheels as shown on the concept car. Although some or all of this stuff will likely be offered aftermarket by Prodrive.

Anything of this nature from factory would surely be saved for the GT-HO. HO does stand for "handling options" after all...

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I dont get all this talk over the suspension, chassis etc.

The only debatable issue at the moment is rear tyre width, thats it, and its most likely going to be sorted very soon.

They need to work on reliability and fine tuning (diff bush issue for example). When you look at it:

Engine: Done, will only need tweeks to ECU for the next 4 years

Trans: ZF is awesome, same with Ford spec 6SPA, Tremec is really as good as it gets for the money

Suspension: whats wrong with it again? Oh thats right it took Holdens billion dollar baby to catch up

To me its the finer details of the FPV package that need work and it sounds like its going to be addressed soon anyway.

Exterior is open to debate, its not objective so we will leave that alone. I will say that any mods to move it from the Falcon (ala HSV tail light solution) is a good move but again there is nothing inherently wrong with the "look" of the cars now.

Vertually spot on, all it need's is some fine tunning now to make an allready awesome vehicle even better.

[cartaa100]

Originally Posted by meatbag

Just chucking my opinion in here as a person who has never owned a ford or a holden but looking at a GS ute currently....

I honestly don't know how the current FPV's pass ADR's with those **** poor attempts of brakes. I've seen $2000 ford lasers with bigger discs than these 2 tonne beasts with australias most powerful engine. Combined with a overly street orientated pad that can see fade from a spirited drive only, it's a death trap waiting for some poor fool.

Suspension wise it's got everything most people need/ want. Leaf springs are rather outdated but for the job of load carrying, do the required job well. If I wanted a car fo the racetrack, I'd keep my current wrx. Almost everyone I've known to buy performance cars never see the track except for maybe a skid pan or sometimes one or two private days. For the most part, decent suspension is wasted anyway with the drivers being the weakest link.

Regardless, I will be buying my ute. The first thing I will be doing though is whacking on a set of 6 pots and some decent pads. I'm buying the car for the pure muscle. Not the handling or the badge. For the price that would be required to get the complete package, I'd stick to my jap crap. Both fords and holdens are way overpriced as they are. The only reason they have stayed in buisness is because of the taxes applied to all imports.

aussie cars have luxury car tax aswell, i admit there not as taxed as imports but there not just given away tax free. far from it.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by meatbag

I honestly don't know how the current FPV's pass ADR's with those **** poor attempts of brakes. I've seen $2000 ford lasers with bigger discs than these 2 tonne beasts with australias most powerful engine. Combined with a overly street orientated pad that can see fade from a spirited drive only, it's a death trap waiting for some poor fool.

GS doesnt weigh much more than an XT. Australias maximum speed limit is what 110km/h? All it has to do is stop the car from that speed. Engine power makes no difference as speed limits are the same for all cars. Its only an issue if you're taking it to a track and if you do that then its your own problem not FPVs.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by TS50

Depends on what you are using your FPV for
For my use, I definitely wouldnt want a firmer suspension
Its a everyday used car
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I may be wrong, but I would think that more than 70% of people that buy a FPV would have the same attitude

Please note this is my opinion only

I reckon your spot on TS50.

The vast majority of FPV/HSV go into service as daily drivers. They may be well maintained as a daily, but very few see duty as garage queens, at least for the 1st few years. So some degree of suspension compliance is required as the see duty with the family or as an executive express.

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by AMGC63

Why is it that the people who actually own a FG FPV are the ones who are most happiest with the suspension tune... Food for thought..?

I'm not.

[Grunter]

I'd agree that the majority would be happy with what they have, especially if it's just for the odd squirt and a few corners. I wasn't and now have a setup that is if anything more compliant around town, but has helped with power down no end. I tried going to a wider tyre and while it helped a little, the biggest by far improvement was getting the suspension setup to suit both power down and handling.

You can have your cake and eat it too, just not from FPV, and fair enough, as I know I'd be in the small minority of FPV buyers that actually want this, which is why they will more than likely not go through the cost of doing so.

[Jamie-b]

I think FPV needs a coupe option to differentiate between ford and FPV,

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

GS doesnt weigh much more than an XT. Australias maximum speed limit is what 110km/h? All it has to do is stop the car from that speed.

you only drive on freeways? you only stop hard once in a while?

some people buy SPORTS sedans to have the option of a spirited drive, which typically involves more than just one or two corners and more than just the occasional hard stop.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by b0son

you only drive on freeways? you only stop hard once in a while?

some people buy SPORTS sedans to have the option of a spirited drive, which typically involves more than just one or two corners and more than just the occasional hard stop.

My whole point is the car is made for the street and the brakes that it has on it would be sufficient considering you cant drive any quicker just because you have more power.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by meatbag

Just chucking my opinion in here as a person who has never owned a ford or a holden but looking at a GS ute currently....

I honestly don't know how the current FPV's pass ADR's with those **** poor attempts of brakes. I've seen $2000 ford lasers with bigger discs than these 2 tonne beasts with australias most powerful engine. Combined with a overly street orientated pad that can see fade from a spirited drive only, it's a death trap waiting for some poor fool.

Suspension wise it's got everything most people need/ want. Leaf springs are rather outdated but for the job of load carrying, do the required job well. If I wanted a car fo the racetrack, I'd keep my current wrx. Almost everyone I've known to buy performance cars never see the track except for maybe a skid pan or sometimes one or two private days. For the most part, decent suspension is wasted anyway with the drivers being the weakest link.

Regardless, I will be buying my ute. The first thing I will be doing though is whacking on a set of 6 pots and some decent pads. I'm buying the car for the pure muscle. Not the handling or the badge. For the price that would be required to get the complete package, I'd stick to my jap crap. Both fords and holdens are way overpriced as they are. The only reason they have stayed in buisness is because of the taxes applied to all imports.

it's fine to whack on better brakes . but if your going to drive it on the road , you'd be paying for red paint on the callipers . ALL FPV'S come with PERFORMANCE heavy duty brakes as standard . they will pull up well , if the fg GS has the same brakes as a standard XT . then i might agree with you . but then again , i'm sure it would pull up well . however they have bigger brakes than FG XT YEAH ? ADR complient for perfomance and weight perhaps ????
if your going to the track get the better brakes for sure . but cars arent designed for race tracks . and are perfectly safe on the road . and FPV'S are better than standard .

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

it's fine to whack on better brakes . but if your going to drive it on the road , you'd be paying for red paint on the callipers . ALL FPV'S come with PERFORMANCE heavy duty brakes as standard . they will pull up well , if the fg GS has the same brakes as a standard XT . then i might agree with you . but then again , i'm sure it would pull up well . however they have bigger brakes than FG XT YEAH ? ADR complient for perfomance and weight perhaps ????
if your going to the track get the better brakes for sure . but cars arent designed for race tracks . and are perfectly safe on the road . and FPV'S are better than standard .

The GS gets the same brakes as the XR6T.

[mik]

maybe you can`t have your cake and eat it all at once, i`m sure the bean counters have something to say about it, but every year the cars get better , quality trans, 40 million dollar quality engine, better interiors, more safety gadgets, rome was`nt built in a day and we have just been through a downturn and heading into another one possibly.
is it just me or does it sound like a big ask to want it all at once when we know the accountant`s have a tight rain on the $$$$$ ?

[G6E TURBO 270KW]

fg2 fpv wont have any changes beside touch screen,reverse camera and sat nav standard . No new wheels no new bumpers no new strips poor effort by fpv.

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by meatbag

Just chucking my opinion in here as a person who has never owned a ford or a holden but looking at a GS ute currently....

I honestly don't know how the current FPV's pass ADR's with those **** poor attempts of brakes. I've seen $2000 ford lasers with bigger discs than these 2 tonne beasts with australias most powerful engine. Combined with a overly street orientated pad that can see fade from a spirited drive only, it's a death trap waiting for some poor fool.

Suspension wise it's got everything most people need/ want. Leaf springs are rather outdated but for the job of load carrying, do the required job well. If I wanted a car fo the racetrack, I'd keep my current wrx. Almost everyone I've known to buy performance cars never see the track except for maybe a skid pan or sometimes one or two private days. For the most part, decent suspension is wasted anyway with the drivers being the weakest link.

Regardless, I will be buying my ute. The first thing I will be doing though is whacking on a set of 6 pots and some decent pads. I'm buying the car for the pure muscle. Not the handling or the badge. For the price that would be required to get the complete package, I'd stick to my jap crap. Both fords and holdens are way overpriced as they are. The only reason they have stayed in buisness is because of the taxes applied to all imports.

Welcome to AFF.

[dawsman]

Originally Posted by G6E TURBO 270KW

fg2 fpv wont have any changes beside touch screen,reverse camera and sat nav standard . No new wheels no new bumpers no new strips poor effort by fpv.

I agree with the changes you mention above that will come with FG2. However it sounds to me like you haven't driven an FG FPV with the new S/C motor. I suggest you do and then tell me you still think it's a poor effort by FPV. This engine update alone is more than sufficient to take the FG to the end of it's run in my opinion.

With FGII, there might be a new wheel design, but most likely not the wider rears. There could also be a new stripe package along the lines of the black edition. You never know.

[T3ts50]

Well there website is being updated soon, there ?I guess there will some sort of change.

[meatbag]

When are these FG2's due for release? N00b question. never really followed fords before.

I think a few options like the touch screen, reverse camera and sat nav while sound poor, will actually help bring them up to scratch. Even holdens SS come with these as standard. FPV's only real advantage is the engine. Which going by what most Aussies first look at, is a pretty awesome headstart. A few refinements though will put it in a very strong position.

I still think the brakes need a good look at. While the GT, GT-P and GT-E come with a reasonable package, the GS is left sadly far behind.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by meatbag

When are these FG2's due for release? N00b question. never really followed fords before.

I think a few options like the touch screen, reverse camera and sat nav while sound poor, will actually help bring them up to scratch. Even holdens SS come with these as standard. FPV's only real advantage is the engine. Which going by what most Aussies first look at, is a pretty awesome headstart. A few refinements though will put it in a very strong position.

I still think the brakes need a good look at. While the GT, GT-P and GT-E come with a reasonable package, the GS is left sadly far behind.

some of us see pbr cheaper brakes as the best thing ever . i was so glad when the BA MKII GT came out with pbrs , and the brembos as a $5k option . then when the BF came out with brembos as standard , i was even happier i bought the BA MKII.without the option of brembos , and saved 5k upfront , and about 2k since on replacement parts . and the car stops very very well thankyou , i dont need to have red brakes to get a boner , a 10 buck magazine can do that . i wont own a car with $1000 worth of brakes on each corner thanks . the red paint simply wont pull me up any better at the school or traffic lights /shopping centre , work driveway,home driveway , or in a sudden stop than my pbr heavy duty ADR approved V8 performance brakes thanks .

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

some of us see pbr cheaper brakes as the best thing ever . i was so glad when the BA MKII GT came out with pbrs , and the brembos as a $5k option . then when the BF came out with brembos as standard , i was even happier i bought the BA MKII.without the option of brembos , and saved 5k upfront , and about 2k since on replacement parts . and the car stops very very well thankyou , i dont need to have red brakes to get a boner , a 10 buck magazine can do that . i wont own a car with $1000 worth of brakes on each corner thanks . the red paint simply wont pull me up any better at the school or traffic lights /shopping centre , work driveway,home driveway , or in a sudden stop than my pbr heavy duty ADR approved V8 performance brakes thanks .

For all intents and purposes they certainly do the job very well, and replacement pads are a lot cheaper too.

As meatbag said, if people want to they can upgrade themselves. Stuff like suspension and brakes wouldn't void warranty would they? The biggest criticism of the GS is lack of content but had FPV included the brakes and other standard extras in the GS it's price would have crept over the LCT, so going aftermarket on items you can fit (that don't void warranty) would work out cheaper, plus you're fitting your choice of item.

Same with the suspension, it does the job perfectly as a road car and grand tourer - I've noticed no one here has praised their local roads as being billiard-table smooth yet, on the contrary actually - but if certain owners, and I would guess they're the minority, want to track their FPV then the aftermarket is a good place to start. You've paid $55-$90k on a brand new vehicle that you're willing to void your warranty on so a few extra G shouldn't be of any concern.

Then you have people that read how Wheels and Motor criticise the suspension and to these readers the perception of the cars dynamics is that it handles like a "boat", and that's hardly fair when Ford tune the handling to allow for second-rate roads.

Anyway, in a year's time we'll see what FPV do with mk2. It's a long wait.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

For all intents and purposes they certainly do the job very well, and replacement pads are a lot cheaper too.

As meatbag said, if people want to they can upgrade themselves. Stuff like suspension and brakes wouldn't void warranty would they? The biggest criticism of the GS is lack of content but had FPV included the brakes and other standard extras in the GS it's price would have crept over the LCT, so going aftermarket on items you can fit (that don't void warranty) would work out cheaper, plus you're fitting your choice of item.

Same with the suspension, it does the job perfectly as a road car and grand tourer - I've noticed no one here has praised their local roads as being billiard-table smooth yet, on the contrary actually - but if certain owners, and I would guess they're the minority, want to track their FPV then the aftermarket is a good place to start. You've paid $55-$90k on a brand new vehicle that you're willing to void your warranty on so a few extra G shouldn't be of any concern.

Then you have people that read how Wheels and Motor criticise the suspension and to these readers the perception of the cars dynamics is that it handles like a "boat", and that's hardly fair when Ford tune the handling to allow for second-rate roads.

Anyway, in a year's time we'll see what FPV do with mk2. It's a long wait.

YEP couldn't agree more . i think a lot of it is media related . i prefer to see some things as options rather than standard . some people want the full works and kit off the floor though , and that will just limit sales in my opinion . i think FPV have it right , i would prefer brembos only to be standard on GT-P though . but understand performance wants entirely .

[dimka100]

Finally one Member who actually understands what a performance car is about!

Originally Posted by Grunter

I'd agree that the majority would be happy with what they have, especially if it's just for the odd squirt and a few corners. I wasn't and now have a setup that is if anything more compliant around town, but has helped with power down no end. I tried going to a wider tyre and while it helped a little, the biggest by far improvement was getting the suspension setup to suit both power down and handling.

You can have your cake and eat it too, just not from FPV, and fair enough, as I know I'd be in the small minority of FPV buyers that actually want this, which is why they will more than likely not go through the cost of doing so.

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by AMGC63

Why is it that the people who actually own a FG FPV are the ones who are most happiest with the suspension tune... Food for thought..?

Because they know these cars are road-cars & grand-tourers for 99% of the time?

Forgetting all that for a second, if we look at circuit times, done back to back, an auto 335 beat a manual GTS even though said GTS had the massive W427 brakes and "Ferrari's" MRC. I can't explain it, it goes against everything I've learnt on the internet.

[geckoGT]

if the 2013 FH will be the last ever aussie made falcon, i hope they spend every dollar they have and make it go out with a bang, i know it probably wont happen but id love a tuned from factory gt-ho 415kw (bmw m5 territory) wide wheels and an advanced traction system that puts the power down.

or maybe even a v8 coupe like the green gs coupe in one of the threads here, i know it wont happen but i just hope it goes out with a bang!

I have posted this quote for the simple reason that I see this as FPV's biggest problem. So many people want M5 performance and specs for a BMW 320 price, I feel sorry for the poor buggers.

[AMGC63]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

I have posted this quote for the simple reason that I see this as FPV's biggest problem. So many people want M5 performance and specs for a BMW 320 price, I feel sorry for the poor buggers.

I agree, thankfully school holidays are nearly over.

[Rodge]

Going back to BF2 seats with special firm seat bolsters would be a really good move for FG2...go on FPV, you've done it before you have the ability to provide proper sports seats just stop being such tight ****'s with your cost cutting.

[JPFS1]

I will be very disappointed to see that after a ~12 month wait (after FG2 Falcon) that the changes to FG2 FPV are limited to the 8" touch screen, sat nav and reverse camera! This makes no sense what so ever.

For the donor car to receive projector head lights, facia changes and other cosmetic changes, I fail to see how the FPV product can go for another 12 months without some form of update. The least you could expect would be the projectors as there is no requirement for testing, ADR etc.

If it's true and FG2 FPV's do not get any of the Donor car treatments, then it points out that they should be getting something different to the donor.

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

I will be very disappointed to see that after a ~12 month wait (after FG2 Falcon) that the changes to FG2 FPV are limited to the 8" touch screen, sat nav and reverse camera! This makes no sense what so ever.

For the donor car to receive projector head lights, facia changes and other cosmetic changes, I fail to see how the FPV product can go for another 12 months without some form of update. The least you could expect would be the projectors as there is no requirement for testing, ADR etc.

If it's true and FG2 FPV's do not get any of the Donor car treatments, then it points out that they should be getting something different to the donor.

Its not true.

[samsy351]

Refer back to my FPV 30 topic here , maybe what my mate saw had something to do with the FPV FG2 .....??
http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11341878