fastest holden ever claims joshua dowling

[Elks]

Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Anybody know what sort of power these LSA's can make with a tune and some small bolt on mods. Could end up being quite a scary car if it makes anything near 430kw's stock.

http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/hpe650-zl1.html

There you go. Hennessy Performance level 1 kit takes it out to 650hp.

With several other options finishing with a 1000hp twin turbo conversion.

OK FPV, its time to step up. Let the good times roll.

[flooded one]

I think there overrated but I wouldn't call them slow (the SS and clubsport). most holden fans go one about these but what is special about them?? If it was a GTS or senator I could understand but not a bloody SS

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by wildrider

I think there overrated but I wouldn't call them slow (the SS and clubsport). most holden fans go one about these but what is special about them?? If it was a GTS or senator I could understand but not a bloody SS

The SS to them what the XR8 is to us...

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by wildrider

I think there overrated but I wouldn't call them slow (the SS and clubsport). most holden fans go one about these but what is special about them?? If it was a GTS or senator I could understand but not a bloody SS

Well this is the first SS I've ever owned and my brother has an 05 Clubby. While I wouldn't call it anything "special" it's decent for what it is.

[devoGT]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

I wouldn't think it would be much quicker than 4.5 seconds. Once you get to a certain point it gets harder and harder to go quicker especially with big 4 door sedans like this. Quarter mile times will be interesting.

The ZL1 Camaro does 0-100 in 3.8sec and standing qtr in 12.1@117mph. With the VF and Camaro sharing the same chassis and similar weight I think it would comfortably be under 4.5 seconds.

[82XD393.3v]

Originally Posted by devoGT

The ZL1 Camaro does 0-100 in 3.8sec and standing qtr in 12.1@117mph. With the VF and Camaro sharing the same chassis and similar weight I think it would comfortably be under 4.5 seconds.

what does that mean my XD does a 12.1@114mph on lpg and no supercharger

[mrghia]

So I'm guessing the couldn't find a motor bigger then 6.2l so the thought they would add a supercharger. Would love to know what it's gonna be like on fuel...

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by stazza

This.

Even when Ford/FPV was using the 260's and 290's, Holden's were slower. I don't care what anyone says.

I raced a VE SS in my FG XR8 ute and my car was faster, despite EVERY man and his dog stating that VE SS's are 'WEAPONS' and XR8's are slugs.

A buddy of mine with an FG XR8 also had a bit of a race with another guy we know who has a VE Maloo 317, and they both acknowledged the XR8 was quicker.

AAAND, my housemate has a VE SS with a exhaust and tune and it is slow as ****. I also know another young bloke that had a VE SS ute and I went for a ride in it and it was painfully slow. I don't care what anyone says.

Street racing ????,1 off racing ???
Was a true 400 metre,heads up racing done,was there someone timing the event ???
Or was it a 200 m sprint,till a person had a nose lead and a claim was done ???
Go track side controlled conditions and go best of 3

A good customer of mine drives a 335 HSV every day,idles it around, gets beaten by everything of the lights,because he doesn't want the tickets and doesn't care that some half brain in his VN crapadore thinks he is better

[mattrobbo26]

Another example of bad marketing by ford. A lot of comments on ls1 forums about a $100k
factory supercharged commodore with 430kw at the flywheel being a bargain. Do they not realise that for just over $30k less they can pick up a gt with a little over 400kw at the flywheel from factory?
http://www.carsales.com.au/demo/deta...d&sort=default

[tex]

6.2lt supercharged V8 with only 430 at the flywheel MUST be seriously de-tuned, or rather conservatively tuned..

Our little 5.4lt blown modular mototrs with Kennebells ALL make 400+++ REAR WHEEL KILOWATTS on 10 psi.

A stock 5lt Miami doesn't have too much trouble making more than the LSA quoted number with a tune, circa 380-390 rwkw.

To my thinking, one of these LSA 6.2lt jobs with not much more than a pulley change, a tune, maybe a handful more revs, will easily exceed 500 at the flywheel. Infact, I see no reason that they wont get tuned and pullied up to make 430+ at the bags, no other mods.

The hardware will already be there for those numbers, stock fuel system with enough headroom to support those numbers I mentioned, intercooler, etc.

Per usual, the fuse in the driveline will no doubt be the clutch, HSV tend to make there stock clutch set ups marginal even for lightly bolted on engines. How the rest of the driveline copes with boosted examples of these engines remains to be seen.

I really look forward to seeing and experiencing one of these new GTS in the flesh. I could actually see myself parking one in the driveway, the hardware spec, the look of them excites me more than any FG FPV V8 so far.

Having said that, the motorshow FPV Black car lit my fire, just not what we've seen available so far, R spec included.

100 grand for the big banger HSV?

Reasonable buying in my opinion, and the prospect of one excites me. I'll take mine in black, charcoal wheels, dark tint, slight lowering job. Yum.

[GTP534]

You can bet HSV will "fiddle" with the cars used by the press but Dowling won't even mention that.

[GQ_Smooth]

Originally Posted by GTP534

You can bet HSV will "fiddle" with the cars used by the press but Dowling won't even mention that.

Ouch, nasty!
*** makes cat noises ***

[devoGT]

Originally Posted by 82XD393.3v

what does that mean my XD does a 12.1@114mph on lpg and no supercharger

The ZL1 Camaro has the same LSA engine which will go into the VF GTS, both cars are based on the Zeta platform, so both having identical chassis/weight should see similar 0-100 and qtr mile times of 3.8 and 12.1 respectively.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by GTP534

You can bet HSV will "fiddle" with the cars used by the press but Dowling won't even mention that.

...because Ford would never dare do what every other car maker does with performance models and give the press a "special" one...

[Mighty Reds]

Originally Posted by devoGT

The ZL1 Camaro has the same LSA engine which will go into the VF GTS, both cars are based on the Zeta platform, so both having identical chassis/weight should see similar 0-100 and qtr mile times of 3.8 and 12.1 respectively.

The ZL1 also has 285's up front and 305's at the rear, I doubt the GTS will get that.

[devoGT]

Originally Posted by tex

Per usual, the fuse in the driveline will no doubt be the clutch, HSV tend to make there stock clutch set ups marginal even for lightly bolted on engines. How the rest of the driveline copes with boosted examples of these engines remains to be seen.

100 grand for the big banger HSV?

The GTS gets twin plate clutch and new vector diff with cooling, it is worth noting that this drive train has been in the ZL1 Camaro and Cadillac CTS-V for a while now, there are tuned ZL1 and CTS-V pushing close to 1000bhp, so heaps of potential with these motors.

Also expect to pay $85K driveaway not the $100K RRP, the VE GTS with big brake option was $95K RRP and you could get them for $75K driveaway.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Well this is the first SS I've ever owned and my brother has an 05 Clubby. While I wouldn't call it anything "special" it's decent for what it is.

for what they are there ok. I just hate some of the braggers I encounter that own them. not so much the car

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Ouch, nasty!
*** makes cat noises ***

"Fettle" might have been a better choice of words.

[Mighty Reds]

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...429-2io5e.html

That front end, ewwww

[nstg8a]

I don't mind the grange, give it the gts donk, and in black and I'd be a happy lad indeed.

[mcnews]

Yep the Grange can be very nice indeed, have always liked them, same as I like the FPV Force cars.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by devoGT

Also expect to pay $85K driveaway not the $100K RRP, the VE GTS with big brake option was $95K RRP and you could get them for $75K driveaway.

Also expect to wait 12 months before you can do this - they will not deal in the initial period.

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by stazza

I just did. They are slow. Dude, go drive a 290 XR8/GT or a GS (similarly priced to an SS/SSV) and tell me an SS isn't slow.

They get that talked up I expected my hair to be blown back when I went for a ride in one.

Agreed. Stock even the LS3's aren't that fast. They aren't slow, but certainly not throw you back in your seat fast and they certainly aren't the world beaters that some people make them out to be. the LS motors saving grace has always been the fact that they are an untouched American motor so there is a humongous aftermarket for them.

[nstg8a]

Last time I took my fg to the drags there was a ve ss running near identical,times to mine, except he had a tune, exhaust and cai.
He wasn't too impressed when he found out mine was dead stock.


But this new gts, IMHO, is gonna be about the toughest sedan you could buy short of buying something with amg badges.

I hope it does well, as said earlier, competition improves the breed.

[FlipXW]

What ever happened to the intercooled GT-H? Maybe Ford will release this around the same time to rain on Holdens parade. This GTS sounds awesome and will certainly give the HSV boys bragging rights. Just hope FPV answers back and shows them just what the Miami is capable of.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by wildrider

for what they are there ok. I just hate some of the braggers I encounter that own them. not so much the car

Ah fair enough. I agree you get some real knobs that think they're a V8 Supercar.

[excopau]

That is so ugly in the front

[Elks]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Yep the Grange can be very nice indeed, have always liked them, same as I like the FPV Force cars.

I'm with you Trev. As you know I like the hypo Luxo look.

But I've have a mate who had a VE Grange and I've been out in it many times. And I, like he can see that it's twice the car his SSV was. A good car though.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by devoGT

The ZL1 Camaro has the same LSA engine which will go into the VF GTS, both cars are based on the Zeta platform, so both having identical chassis/weight should see similar 0-100 and qtr mile times of 3.8 and 12.1 respectively.

American track times are ridiculously fast, they run on extremely sticky drag strips using track timing, which does not include rollout?

Run the very same car here on Oz strips and you will drop quite a chunk of time, not to mention Aussie motoring journos use different timing methods that don't use rollout. I'd be quite suprised if it did run quicker than a 4.5, I can just see it being an absolute nightmare to get off the line without sending the tyres up into a smoke show.

The supercharged ****ingshaw cars proved that because they were all slow as hell, they just couldn't stop them wheelspinning.

[Auslandau]

Stock GT's are getting around the 12.5 mark. Haven't really heard what the RSpec's are getting but at 12.1 if thats the estimate for the GTS ..... LOTS of cubes for little effect. I know thats very premature as they haven't even hit the road yet and is all speculative but unless its into the elevensies I can't see its worth.