Phase 4 up for auction

[ozpacman]

Originally Posted by Fiji

Imagine seeing stock kia stinger obliterate it from a standing start and just keep pulling away.

Oh look now you're just being silly. Go and rinse your lunch box out and start on that homework - you've got exams soon.

[lilmattie]

Originally Posted by Fiji

The silly buggar paid $2m for it, thats why every man and his dog is in awe?..Functionally its nothing special.

I have no doubts a stinger will obliterate it, in every measurable way, name something it does better?

Id take the stinger over that old tank anyday. Plus $1.95m in my pocket.

That's like saying that an image on an LCD screen is better than the Mona Lisa.

Artwork / History = priceless

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by ozpacman

Oh look now you're just being silly. Go and rinse your lunch box out and start on that homework - you've got exams soon.

They don’t have exams in Primary schools

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by Fiji

The silly buggar paid $2m for it, thats why every man and his dog is in awe?..Functionally its nothing special.

I have no doubts a stinger will obliterate it, in every measurable way, name something it does better?

Id take the stinger over that old tank anyday. Plus $1.95m in my pocket.

You are turning me green...........

[zoesgift]

wonder if PC has been paid yet?! wouldn't want to be on the Lloyds side of the equation given his clout legally!

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by zoesgift

wonder if PC has been paid yet?! wouldn't want to be on the Lloyds side of the equation given his clout legally!

Are you saying there's shenanigans afoot? Sale fell through?

[zoesgift]

well if I was Lloyds I would be proudly spruiking how successful their auction process was if such a sale went through. in the last 12 months a number of cars have supposedly sold through this facility yet reappear

[71cop]

Originally Posted by Fiji

Imagine seeing stock kia stinger obliterate it from a standing start and just keep pulling away.

Yep and while your at it just imagine that day far far away when the stock kia stinger will be worth anything like 2mill, imaginations a wonderful thing isn't it ?

[Ford17]

Phase 4 recently changed hands for ~$2M:

https://www.australianmusclecarsales...-phase4-244461

[zoesgift]

the car in question sold for about 3 to 6 months ago to a collector. im confused as to why AMCS would be spruiking it now?

[fgpsi]

i thought it wasn't a real phase 4?

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by zoesgift

the car in question sold for about 3 to 6 months ago to a collector. im confused as to why AMCS would be spruiking it now?

From what i can make out AMCS was bound by a confidentiality agreement, doesn't matter that the sale was known about, what matters is that no one learnt about it from AMCS until now.

[Franco Cozzo]

Here's food for thought, how much these classics going to be worth when internal combustion engine vehicles are banned from our roads and you can't buy unleaded?

I'm aware these garage queens aren't driven and are more like art/investments but still, makes you wonder.

Or their values when all the people who grew up idolising these cars are dead.

Kinda like 1930s/1940s cars except for a few notable exceptions for particular cars, anything on the other side of those is worth nothing.

[bigwil]

Originally Posted by zoesgift

the car in question sold for about 3 to 6 months ago to a collector. im confused as to why AMCS would be spruiking it now?

I thought that sale fell through

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by bigwil

I thought that sale fell through

It went up for auction with Lloyds in 2018 and was reported as sold for $2m+, but that sale fell through...I don't think it happened twice.

Edit: And at a guess may go some way to explain the delay in AMCS announcing the sale....

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

i thought it wasn't a real phase 4?

The factory converted it to phase 4 spec as a development vehicle. Might not be plated as a Ph4, but it's a Ph4 if the factory made it one. And if the factory says it's a Ph4, it sure as hell is one.

[GTLEGEND]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The factory converted it to phase 4 spec as a development vehicle. Might not be plated as a Ph4, but it's a Ph4 if the factory made it one. And if the factory says it's a Ph4, it sure as hell is one.

Good simple explanation, like your thinking!!

Would you go to say it is similar to a modern day FGX Falcon going down the production line as a bare body, then given to FPR/Tickford to turn into a V8 Supercar although the race versions are no longer similar to their road going brother as they were back in the day. If it was the same you would still call the race car a GT even though it did not come down the assembly and ID'd as a GT as such.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

Good simple explanation, like your thinking!!

Would you go to say it is similar to a modern day FGX Falcon going down the production line as a bare body, then given to FPR/Tickford to turn into a V8 Supercar although the race versions are no longer similar to their road going brother as they were back in the day. If it was the same you would still call the race car a GT even though it did not come down the assembly and ID'd as a GT as such.

My dad worked in stamping and structures engineering in the stamping plant. Back in the 90's when the racing cars were still production based vehicles, one of his jobs was to get some parts made up for the race car shells. The teams specified what they wanted the shells to have, and what they wanted to have them built without. Various bracketry etc was removed from the race car shells to remove weight, or if it was going to be replaced with something else. So the shells were specifically made to the race teams specs. But most likely those shells were built without tags. They were a specific race shell. They might have had some form of identification, but most likely not a VIN tag, cause they were not going to be road registered.

[Rallye Sport]

We used an AU Falcon 'Motorsport' shell as a base for a modified production Speedway car.
From what I remember it had no plate but was stamped with a prefix relevant to the owner/builder, so for us it was KRJ (initials of the owner) then 1, 2, 3, and so on as new shells were ordered

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Here's food for thought, how much these classics going to be worth when internal combustion engine vehicles are banned from our roads and you can't buy unleaded?

I'm aware these garage queens aren't driven and are more like art/investments but still, makes you wonder.

Or their values when all the people who grew up idolising these cars are dead.

Kinda like 1930s/1940s cars except for a few notable exceptions for particular cars, anything on the other side of those is worth nothing.

They may one day be banned from public roads for regular daily use however I’m sure something will be put in place to allow such cars to be driven either on private roads or special racetrack days to let the public enjoy seeing and hearing them. It's no different to allowing steam driven trains run on the Victorian train public transport network for charity days etc...

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

They may one day be banned from public roads for regular daily use however I’m sure something will be put in place to allow such cars to be driven either on private roads or special racetrack days to let the public enjoy seeing and hearing them. It's no different to allowing steam driven trains run on the Victorian train public transport network for charity days etc...

i read somewhere that fuel will be around for another 50 years+...

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

i read somewhere that fuel will be around for another 50 years+...

I have no doubt it will, it just might become too expensive to dig it up, and by that I don't mean necessarily the mining/refining/distribution costs alone, but rather the "artificial" extra costs of taxes/excises/congestion levies/penalties for fossil-based fuels etc...